The wit to match a god, Yu Kaito vs Zen'ō

[SirBrownBear]

What better way to break in a character and test his boundries~

To make things simple, Kaito will be playing the same word game he did in the anime/manga, where in which after a certain period of time (in this case 60 seconds) a letter will be made taboo on the alphabet starting from Z, speaking said letter or any word/sound that incorporates it will result in the person losing the game. (And subsequently their soul, which Zeno isn't aware of.) If Zeno manages to not break the taboo by the end of the game and/or happens to erase in a fit of annoyance, he wins.

Both are in character and start 2 meters away from one another, sitting in chairs.

Yü Kaitō: 2 (Assaltwaffle, Iapitus The Impaler)

Zen'ō : 1 (Meshifuari Arimota)

 

[SirBrownBear]

Bumpity

 

[SirBrownBear]

One last bump, forgot to add tags

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Zeno squishes.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Is there any reason Zen'O doesn't just raise his hands and delete him? This seems pretty stompy.

 

[SirBrownBear]

Several, this is in character Zeno, not the standard bloodlusted "delete everything instantly without even grasping the situation" vsbattle Zeno. At the core of his character he's a bored and lonely (with a pinch of unknowningly twisted) kid that just wants someone that isn't piss scared of him to hang out n' play with him. It's not like he's going to insta delete anyone that so much as approaches him, (much less soneone that isn't directly threatening/annoying him and just wants to, as far as he knows, play a non threatening game) otherwise the future Zeno would have deleted Goku without hesitation.

 

[Akreious]

Zen'O is more intelligent than people let on and the game would go on for awhile, BUT. he WILL get bored fairly quickly and when Zen'O squishes, you will need More than stitches.

 

[SirBrownBear]

He hasn't shown an intelect much more superior than a "normal" childs, and he may get bored, yes, but why would his first responce be "lol, ima delete this foo" and not "i'm bored now, lets play something else." And to that point who's to say he won't violate the taboo by then?

 

[Akreious]

I'd also like to point out that, while I have no idea Beyond what the page says, there's a fairly good chance Zen'O would say "you're trying to kill me aren't you?" And pop goes Kaito. And Zen'O gets bored REALLY quickly. He's found PLANETARY PINGPONG to be boring. If Kaitō won't oblige Zen'O, there's yet another chance pop goes Kaito. And Zen'O is surprisingly stingy about rules, he most likely won't violate a taboo. Unless the rule breaking directly entertains him, he's not forgetting any rules. Actually he never did forget any rules

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Zeno FRA

 

[SirBrownBear]

I'd also like to point out that, while I have no idea Beyond what the page says, there's a fairly good chance Zen'O would say "you're trying to kill me aren't you?" And pop goes Kaito. And Zen'O gets bored REALLY quickly. He's found PLANETARY PINGPONG to be boring. If Kaitō won't oblige Zen'O, there's yet another chance pop goes Kaito. And Zen'O is surprisingly stingy about rules, he most likely won't violate a taboo. Unless the rule breaking directly entertains him, he's not forgetting any rules. Actually he never did forget any rules

What reason would he have to jump to that conclusion? He has a child's mindset, not a detective. And the only rule Zeno knows of is the letters are taboo/will make him lose, the implications behind it aren't stated.

 

[Akreious]

Please read closer at what I wrote. "while I have no idea Beyond what the page says". XD

 

[SirBrownBear]

Please read closer at what I said, what reason would he have to jump to that conclusion? Farfetched assumptions still have explinations behind them, especially when you lead in with "there's a fairly good chance". You're trying to raise the point that Zeno would win, that's fine, but explain your reasoning and back it up with reasonable, credible points.

 

[Akreious]

I literally just said "I don't know the specifics of his abilities beyond what his page has", and since this is a game I inferred that Zen'O would know the implications behind the game. I never said your point wasn't valid, sheesh.

 

[SirBrownBear]

And, again, I'm saying that's fine, but explain how that would be the case if you're expecting this to count as a point towards Zeno, because given what we do have with Zeno, he wouldn't assume any further than the simple rules given.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

SirBrownBear, you overhype this match.


Zeno squishes.

 

[SirBrownBear]

Explain your reasoning for how and why he would do so, "Zeno wins cuz he's stronger" isn't (always) a credible argument.

 

[Akreious]

Wait, since this is not in fun and games and they're willing to kill eachother, Zen'O would very likely squish. You can't just impose rules like this, at least make it so it's at least a fight. You made it so Zen'O only thinks this is a game and has absolutely NO indication he's in a fight to the death. I doubt this can be added now, actually.

 

[SirBrownBear]

If Kaito loses the taboo game he's basically finished, it stands to reason that by then, yes, Zeno would definitely get bored and lash out if /when Kaito gets too aggressive/pushy with his attitude, it doesn't just end in a stalemate. I'm aware they'd be willing to kill one another, but this is in character, which means in this case that's not their immediate go to option, not that killing isn't an option period. In a scenario like this between these two (in character) characters, the prospect that Zeno would ask to play with a person who already enjoys games appeared to make the most sense for a "match", much more so than Kaito instantly making all speech taboo or Zeno "just squishing him". There's more than one way for characters to battle one another. And that's just how Kaito's power works, you don't know you lose your soul if you break the taboo unless he specifically tells you, which he never does and isn't required to do so. Why would any of these vs matches that don't incorporate prep time with foreknowledge have one character explain the ins and outs of their technique and what it will do to the other? Zeno doesn't know about the soul detail in the same way that Kaito doesn't know he can get erased with a single hand movement, so why is one suddenly more unfair than the other?

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Zeno squishes. Sorry pal.

 

[SirBrownBear]

Glad you feel that way, but without a reasonable explination it's moot.

 

[Schnee_One]

Zeno raises his hand and squishes GG

 

[LordGinSama]

Zeno erases.

 

[SirBrownBear]

None of these matter or count until someone can properly explain how Zeno wins in this scenario, so I don't really see the point in these back to back "lol, Zeno stomps cause stronger" posts.

 

[Schnee_One]

Because he always leads with Erasure.

Intelligence doesn't really matter if you are that much weaker to the point that 10 seconds of thinking isn't enough to cover the gap.

 

[SirBrownBear]

No, he doesn't, where's your proof that he does this, and I quote, "in character"?. If that were the case Goku would have been deleted by future Zeno, who had no idea who Goku was, the moment he summoned him and charged towards him.

You're approaching this as if it's a standard "bloodlusted" fisticuffs/combat fight, it's not, read the prompt.

 

[Schnee_One]

<Does it against Zamasu, first thing.

<Does it first thing against Frost

<Is the the literal only way he's shown to attack

There you go.

He finds this guy to be a nuisance, he gets erased from existence, done.

 

[SirBrownBear]

>Zamasu was in the process of co-opting the multiverse and his constant laughing while doing so came off as "annoying", that and Zeno still had to take a minute and evaluate what was going on and what he was doing before erasing.

>Frost was about to violate the rules of his tourney/act against his wishes

>It is, but that doesn't mean he's going to start using it without a reasonable cause "IN CHARACTER".

What reason do you have to assume he would view him as such off the bat? Kaito doesn't immediatly threaten or attack people, and unless he has a specific reason to as stated above, neither does Zeno, he'd act friendly (or neutral as shown eith Goku and co) towards this stranger who, unlike everyone else he's met outside el grande padre and the other angels, isn't immediatly piss scared of him and will actually converse with him or be friendly, and in all likely events, will ask to play with them, assuming the multiverse wasn't also being consumed by an edgy green alien at the same time.

 

[Schnee_One]

SBA: In character, but willing to kill.

You're logic can be applied to quite literally anyone as technically no character ever leads with an attack if they're are not in a fight.

You're saying that because Zeno was provoked or had to fight as evidence that he doesn't lead with Erasure, and that logic is, quite frankly, nonsensical.

We assume automatically that two characters are actually fighting, or the point of a match is gone.

 

[SirBrownBear]

Willing to kill =/= immediatly aiming to kill. That just means that a character like say, Batman, who's normally opposed to killing would do so if needed in a fight.

If it's in character for one to lead in with an attack, like say someone with an amimalistic personality or they're naturally bloodlusted/rage filled, it does.

How, in any way are those several instances of clear and cut evidence of a character's actions in situations and scenarios nonsensical? Assuming he would ignore all of his shown character traits in an in character scenario and go for the kill immeditly is nonsensical.

If no info or setup's are given, yes, but this clearly has the fight/match and confrontation set up already.

 

[Schnee_One]

<Willing to kill=/=Immediately aiming to kill

Zeno has immediately aimed to kill on Literally every single instance of him getting provoked, that's his character.

And it's in character for Zeno to lead with that attack, as I've shown.

<Ignore all shown character traits

Like what? Him not giving a **** about Universes he erases? Him having zero empathy for life around him?

Are we assuming characters are not even going to bother fighting eachother at the start which is the entire point of the match?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If Zen'O has been provoked to the point that he is fighting someone, you better believe he is going to delete that guy. He did it to Zamasu for being "annoying."

 

[SirBrownBear]

I'm aware of this, i'm not trying to argue that a provoked Zeno wouldn't erase, what i'm trying to say is someone needs to compitently explain the circumstances that lead to that in this scenario. It doesn't just happen instantly with a character like Kaito. You saying "Zeno just "gets annoyed" and erases" is just as vague non specific as me saying "Kaito gets annoyed and makes speech taboo", how and why does that happen, what reasons would it happen, who would crack first? Does Zeno even get past the game without breaking the rules?

>And it's in character for Zeno to lead with that attack, as I've shown

Again, yes he has, when provoked into attacking.

>Like what Like him not deleting Goku, whom he didn't know, when he was summoned and rushed at for a hug he didn't know was coming. Like him being a lonely, bored kid who just wants someone to play with him and keep him company outside his guards and the grand priest.

And again, they are... that's the whole point of the word game, just because fists aren't flying and things aren't blowing up doesn't mean a match is going on.

 

[SirBrownBear]

If Zen'O has been provoked to the point that he is fighting someone, you better believe he is going to delete that guy. He did it to Zamasu for being "annoying."

And when he isn't? Are we/am I to assume every scenario, even when specified otherwise, but ultimatly still a fight, has both characters instantly pissed at one another and ready to throw down?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If this is just a word game and not an actual fight, it won't be added to their profiles and is thus a Fun and Games thread. I'll move it over there.

 

[SirBrownBear]

It is a fight, the "word game" is part of Kaito's reality hax.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

But he isn't fighting Zen'O. He is just speaking with him. You're basically saying he will set up this game and if Zen'O doesn't say the word he cursed he will win. That right there is not how fights work. If he isn't free to do whatever he likes then it isn't a normal fight. If Zen'O wants to fight he doesn't have to speak.

 

[SirBrownBear]

The game isn't based around a singular word, it's based around letters of the alphabet becoming taboo over time, and it's not as if Kaito is just gonna sit there and wait for Zeno to slip up, he's competitive, over time he's going to urge Zeno to speak/make sounds with taboo letters and play mind games with him in order to make him slip up. Zeno is free to do as he wishes, I never said he was restricted to just playing this word game and nothing else, the word game was just the most likely confrontation scenario given how both of these characters are "in character". If Zeno doesn't want to play at some point or at the start, fine, but thus far no one's been able to produce a legitimate reason how or why that would be the case other than "Zeno's strong".

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If it's a mind game only and we are assuming Zen'O isn't provoked at all then Kaito absolute wins. Also I'll move this back over to VS threads. I misunderstood what his powers are. If he plays it off like it is a game I'm sure he can get Zen'O to say the letter. As long as he doesn't annoy him he should be good to go.

 

[SirBrownBear]

More or less, and I'll assume that's a vote.