OK, just to prove I'm not being biased:
That just seems like nitpicking, especially when the "fully defeated" Lucario recovered a hell of a lot quicker than Mewtwo did.
Visual evidence of the Lucario in question (evidence that it was ever Mega, I mean)?
Saying Mewtwo kept his mega state the entire time it was knocked out requires about as much headcanon as saying it reverted.
Am I reading this wrong?
Now, onto the meat and potatoes...
In Pokémon when a Mega Evolution is fully defeated reverts to base, which didn't happen to Mewtwo, meaning that it didn't fully one-shot.
What is Ash Gren vs Zard X? Do you not remember how elongated that fight was before either of them reverted? Just a thought.
Zygarde wasn't defeated, it retreated from itself iirc.
Your proof of this, with screenshots?
Plus, struggling means shit in all honestly, managing to even take few hits from a dude who managed to fight against Ultra Necrozma is a better feat than being just baseline like base Necrozma.
A few questions:
- Was this even the same Zygarde 50% that fought Ultra Necrozma?
- What hits were landed onto Zygarde by M2X (or Y)? Because I think what JJ is getting at is if no attacks harmed Zy50% significantly, then only dura scales if this is going back the other way.
- Did you forget that downscaling is an option that has been posited knowing the range of 3-C being thrown around (one that I'm willing to break bread with)?
Plus, I'd remind that even in games when a mega Pokémon gets fully defeated it revers to base, so why is Mewtwo magically an exception here
There is a chasm of difference between reverting signifying a complete blowout, and characters knowing that the state of parties involved results in a seemingly unwinnable scenario if the panel most put forward shows M2X visually struggling to get any attacks in. This is very much the latter, hence my request for you to post screens of Zy50%'s defeat/retreat.
Bullshit, I already explained why the spoon isn't a power boost
For the last sodding time,
NO ONE is saying that the spoon was an amp.
No one, that is a strawman. Go search for it, you can't find clear examples. If you cite me, I already said that I somewhat agreed with the spoon being (up to given points) a physical object. If anything, M2X was amping the spoon, not the other way around, yet it was not enough to offensively retaliate in any practical capacity (also did we just forget the supposed 'injury' was a thing?).
Except that that's not how it works in manga. It's the product of its psychic powers as already explained, we don't give to psychic type mons "X Tier via Psychic", unless Mewtwo can create physic powers higher than its regular ones out from nothing
Wait, there was a specific move cited coming out of
Mewtwo? I sure as hell must have missed it.
No one was saying he was specifically using Psychic, he was using the concept of Psychic powers, which could entail any of said type's movepool (unless that is what you meant to say).
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It blocking a physical attack from Zygarde is already enough tho
Then how do you personally scale durability if this is not it?
It hasn't any anti feat against such
Well if you ask me, this is as irrelevant as you're citing, and I've held that belief ever since Aura Break got thrown out the window.
That's a thing already above Base Necrozma
Question: Has Lysandre ever acknowledged Necrozma in, like... ANY medium? Or is this some kind of "Ghetsis will never acknowledge Galaxy busting" kind of thing?
Semi-unrelated: I should note that I'm willing to retract my request to scrub wording of 'world destroying powers' on Zekrom and Reshiram's pages, because of the potential of translation hiccups, when the World in Japanese translates to 'Sekai', which can also translate as 'Society' or 'The Universe'. Learned that today, actually.
I'd like to know against who which don't involve its base form.
I seem to recall there were 4 other (non-shiny) Genesect scaled to Planet Level, that M2Y in the movie went up against. Where did that go, exactly?
Again, nothing said that M2X can't harm Zygarde, it blocking one of its attacks with mere strength is enough to prove that they're not completely different in gap.
Nothing was displaying that it could in it's physical state, though, nor could it find a position to do so. Shoe is on the other foot, lad.
Ah yeah, that thing caused from Dark Matter and where Mega Rayquaza and Deoxys are portrayed as equal and Arceus is below Yveltal. Sure thing.
When the most that Dark Matter did in that instance was pop a Sun? We bring it up because it's an inconsistency between a 2-A Arceus, 2+ supposed Galaxy busters, and Deoxys which doesn't scale the same way for some reason (and should scale if the Injured M2X/Y scaling we've been arguing the toss about holds any water) as well as numerous adds on top of that.
