The time has come: Anti-Monitor vs Super sonic archie (8-1-0) grace

[Dreaming_Serpent]

Anti Monitor because of his destructive feats.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Actually, this is a stomp since Anti-Monitor doesn't reach Acausality 5 in 2-A, so he can't resist Sonic's FateHax.

 

[NathanN36]

Sonic FRA

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

If this is stomping I can switch to post-genesis super sonic

 

[ElixirBlue]

The Diet Coke Archie Sonic

But yeah, if Anti-Monitor doesn't have any incap or isn't Acausality type 5, Anti-Monitor gets stomped by the FateHax.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Okay, post-genesis wave super sonic

 

[Dreaming_Serpent]

I haven't read scenes depicting Sonic getting to this level of destructive feats. Does anyone have any pages of him doing anything as impressive as AM in COIE?

 

[ElixirBlue]

I haven't read scenes depicting Sonic getting to this level of destructive feats. Does anyone have any pages of him doing anything as impressive as AM in COIE?

And all of this is just covering range and how it happened. Not covering potency

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Bump

 

[M765]

So.... I know that this has nothing to do with the debate but: What exactly is Anti-Monitors True State Exactly Supposed to be???? Is it like his True Form like with Darkseid? Or is it like him when unbound by all Dimensions or something like that?????( I am just a person confused about her favorite DC Character that is all.....)

 

[ElixirBlue]

^ I would like to know too.

 

[SwerzyeTheCreator]

I guess it's kinda like darkseid

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

It's exactly like Darkseid, or SCP-682, or any other profile with a higher/beyond-dimensional true form. They're unbound by...well, anything. Causality itself is fiction to them.

 

[ElixirBlue]

In the 2-A key?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

I was answering M76's question about True State Anti-Monitor, which is his 1-A key.


As concerns 2-A Anti-Monitor, however...
The Anti-Monitor's ability to go unnoticed by others is something to speak of, and that Sonic has no known resistance to perception manipulation of that caliber. He also wields the Dimensional Superstructure, which "governs all things imaginable or unimaginable" (of which I imagine things like causality and fate could be attributed, as well as literally...anything else), and destroyed "concepts undreamt of, even by the Presence" during his battle with a heavily-amped Spectre at the Dawn of Creation. He fought his equal, the Monitor of the positive multiverse, for one million years straight before both were knocked into a coma. AM is more than prepared to play the long game and keep the fight going for eons, whereas Sonic's lifespan would eventually come to a natural end, outside of the realm of the fate hax given to Sonic that would elsewise prevent his death at AM's hands.

It would basically be an infinite tug of war between the Dimensional Superstructure/Antimatter Wave and the Super Genesis Wave until Sonic expired of natural causes. Add in AM's life-force absorption, which Sonic has no notable resistance to listed on his profile, and that natural death could be sped up a bit.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Well, Sonic's FateHax isn't to prevent his death. That's how we allow incaps to be a winning option for his opponents. If the incaps last over 24 hours per VBWF's rules.

Sonic's FateHax ability, quite literally, is to win. Sonic can be beaten or incapacitated, but he always wins in the end.

Edit: And we aren't really sure it is Fate. It's just that some Chaotic force in creation is insuring Sonic's eventual victory.

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Stoned Orc

There's actually an in-progress CRT that will make Post-Gen resist life absorption. Just figured I should point that out, since I only stopped to change the Pre-Gen Sonic topic to Post-Gen Sonic lol

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Eh. LFA was just the cherry on top to my proposed AM wincons.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

@M765

1-the true state of mobius is like that of darksaid but this is not continually active, you need your version within the multiverse to be killed or leave it completely.

@ShakeResoundung

2-well it must be very good since the absorption of life of the anti monitor goes from several tens of people maybe hundreds to 5 billion, three hundred ten thousand forty-five people

https://imgur.com/a/8NBWInQ

https://ibb.co/cJ6zBx9

 

[ElixirBlue]

But does that show range more than potency?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

I believe we treat the potency of LFA the same as mindhax, where range = potency. On top of that, some of whom AM absorbed from in the first instance of his LFA during the Crisis have resistances to absorption, I believe.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Then wouldn't Sonic's power be stronger than AM, as he used his Chaos Energy to collapse an infinite Multiverse at once.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Mobius literally did the same.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Which time? The first Crisis?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Yes, the first wave of antimatter destroys everything in its path the reason why it did not initially destroy the multiverse was by the monitor and the plot is in its profile.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Well, Sonic destroyed his infinite multiverse and nothing survived the effects. Not even 2-A beings, Concepts, infinite dream universes and 2-A Cosmic forces existing outside of Space and Time survived Sonic's SGW.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Because it was a recont

 

[ElixirBlue]

So?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Well, Sonic destroyed his infinite multiverse and nothing survived the effects. Not even 2-A beings, Concepts, infinite dream universes and 2-A Cosmic forces existing outside of Space and Time survived Sonic's SGW.

AM by himself, without outside help, is capable of creating an antimatter wave with at least the same potency as the Super Genesis Wave. The Monitor, by his nature as a direct opposing force to the antimatter wave, was only able to fortify five universes against said antimatter wave in the instant before it wiped out the rest of the multiverse. The Monitor only did this by using the energies released by his physical death (whereupon he became a 1-A entity once more), and in doing so created a fortified "netherverse" located, presumably, in the Overvoid itself, as it was able to escape destruction entirely.

 

[Dreaming_Serpent]

Yeah. Despite those pics I don't see him doing something like the AM did.

 

[ElixirBlue]

AM by himself, without outside help, is capable of creating an antimatter wave with at least the same potency as the Super Genesis Wave. The Monitor, by his nature as a direct opposing force to the antimatter wave, was only able to fortify five universes against said antimatter wave in the instant before it wiped out the rest of the multiverse. The Monitor only did this by using the energies released by his physical death (whereupon he became a 1-A entity once more), and in doing so created a fortified "netherverse" located, presumably, in the Overvoid itself, as it was able to escape destruction entirely.

But more or less describes how some universes survived, not the potency. Super Sonic was able to erase Gods who are far more powerful than Super Sonic with the SGW, as the SGW is(/was) only a part of the power of those gods who got erased.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

-snip-

But more or less describes how some universes survived, not the potency. Super Sonic was able to erase Gods who are far more powerful than Super Sonic with the SGW, as the SGW is(/was) only a part of the power of those gods who got erased.
That makes absolutely zero logical sense. "SGW is/was only a part of the power of the gods who got erased by the SGW."

Then those gods were never superior to the SGW to begin with.

As for the potency, the DC multiverse is composed of 52 "baseline" universes, which each have an infinite number of branching variations of themselves for every moment in infinite time. This also affected every enamation of a Godhead in those infinites.

 

[Dreaming_Serpent]

^

 

[ElixirBlue]

Sonic's multiverse has an infinite amount of Baseline universes and with implied infinite branching timelines.

And the SGW is Chaos Energy made by the seven Chaos Emeralds. But the 7 Chaos Emeralds don't represent the Chaos Force, where these Gods resides. And they got erased.

 

[ElixirBlue]

And yes, Sonic's Multiverse is compromise of infinite Baseline Universes.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Okay, so, I ****** up.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Multiverse

Pre-Crisis DC multiverse also has infinite baseline universes with infinite branching timelines. Alongside the Pre-Crisis multiverse is the Hypertime multiverse, which contains yet more additional branching timelines that occasionally merge back into the originals, seemingly at random. Crisis on Infinite Earths: The Compendium lists the Hypertime timelines alongside the infinite Earths of the Pre-Crisis as one overarching Multiverse, as well, and in fact, there have been found to be surviving parallels of destroyed universes therein in Pre-Crisis material relating to it. Consider also that every Pre-Crisis DC universe has numerous alternate dimensions and microverses (both of which are themselves infinite spaces, in many cases) exclusive to their universe (as in not multiversal singularities shared between the infinite universes) on top of the infinite timelines also associated to each.

This was the multiverse destroyed by the Anti-Monitor, including Hypertime, sparing only five universes due to his equal and polar opposite's death-energies protecting them.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

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[Oliver_de_jesus]

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[Oliver_de_jesus]

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[Oliver_de_jesus]

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