The Stardust Crusader vs The Huntress-In-Training (8-0-0) (Grace)

Keeweed · Oct 22, 2021

Baken384 said:
How bout I put Yang in her SECOND KEY?!?!

I mean. Yang’s durability is heavily reliant on a forcefield that can broken by attacks vastly weaker than it. And Yang can’t touch ghost so Star Platinum can still body block her. But she scales above 6.9 tons (I don’t agree with the scaling chain we have her at, if I’m thinking of the correct key), but it depends on how high Yang’s non aura durability is.

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Baken384 said:
How bout I put Yang in her SECOND KEY?!?!

Then Yang stomps as she oneshots people who are stronger than her previous key.

Just change it to regular Star Platinum instead of The World, spammable timestop is what the issue is here, not a disparity over AP

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Keeweed said:
I mean. Yang’s durability is heavily reliant on a forcefield that can broken by attacks vastly weaker than it.

Yang's durability without aura scales to 6.9 tons and upscales from oneshotting 4 ton opponents, what are you talking about?

Keeweed · Oct 22, 2021

Why does it though. Last I checked Rwby characters constantly one shot each other when they get past each other’s aura. When has an auraless character survived hits from people comparable to them?

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Keeweed said:
Why does it though. Last I checked Rwby characters constantly one shot each other when they get past each other’s aura. When has an auraless character survived hits from people comparable to them?

Looks at ironwood vs watts where both had no aura and continued to take hits from one another and any other fight in the series, I'm pretty sure the idea they are glass cannons without aura comes from the fact they can now actually get hurt and have visible damage without aura but that's literally just now basic durability and the times they did get hurt without aura is normally from people stronger then them like Weiss in the battle of haven

Keeweed · Oct 22, 2021

Watt’s face got completely wrecked from Ironwood dragging him a bit. Watts never hit Ironwood. Ironwood got hurt from the forcefield thing.

Yang and Blake pieced straight through Adam like wet paper when his aura was down and when Cinder pierced Penny’s aura she died.

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Keeweed said:
Watt’s face got completely wrecked from Ironwood dragging him a bit. Watts never hit Ironwood. Ironwood got hurt from the forcefield thing.

Watts literally took a punch from ironwoods fist in that fight without aura and lived without his aura and only got a black eye from getting draged by the friction and not like he got half his face ripped off from the friction if he was a glass cannon getting draged by a town level man also the forcefield burned him, heat damage ≠ physical damage as he has no heat residence without aura

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Keeweed said:
Yang and Blake pieced straight through Adam like wet paper when his aura was down and when Cinder pierced Penny’s aura she died.

Cool? Comparable characters attacking each other with piercing weapons. How does that prove that they're not that durable?

Keeweed · Oct 22, 2021

When it to Watts I’m pretty sure the face part would fall under stomp rules, you don’t scale to characters that stomp you, and Watts was effortlessly overpowered by Ironwood when he got his hands on him.

Though I’ll just say the original reason I brought it up. Rooster teeth has constantly tried to imply it and technically once straight up said the characters are glass canons. Rooster teeth owns death battle and they had them say Rwby characters have human level durability without aura and they constantly say Rwby characters are glass canons.

Granted this very well could be death of the author because Rooster teeth isn’t the best at writing, but that was the original reason I brought it up.

Doesn’t really matter much since we aren’t using Yang’s second key and Jotaro is getting upgraded, but that’s why I brought it up.

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

The fact that Watts took multiple punches from Ironwood without his head exploding is proof that they scale without aura unless youd like to prove that Ironwood without his aura isnt 7-C

Also it's probably because writers have no idea how strong their characters actually are like most writers, so death of the author

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Also we only use WoG if it isn't contradicted by the series, In this case it is contradicted by the series

Blue · Oct 22, 2021

Jotaro wins even with equalised speed, she has no answer to timestop followed by enraged punches from Star Platinum.

Emirp sumitpo · Oct 22, 2021

I don't think Yang has a way to deal with Star Platinum

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Emirp sumitpo said:
I don't think Yang has a way to deal with Star Platinum

Yeah she doesn't, that's why I asked to use base SP and not SP:the world

Baken384 · Oct 22, 2021

Should I restrict Time Stop and change Jotaro to be at his Peak Strength?

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Baken384 said:
Should I restrict Time Stop and change Jotaro to be at his Peak Strength?

Yeah, you can do that by saying he is useing normal star platinum instead of SP the world

Baken384 · Oct 22, 2021

updated match up

Blue · Oct 22, 2021

Jotaro can deal with her ranged attacks with Star Platinum and his intelligence would give him the edge in the fight, she has decent fighting intelligence of her own but in my opinion it's made the most of when she's working with her team, which she doesn't have in this prompt.

Jotaro wins.

Spinoirr · Oct 22, 2021

Spinoirr said:
Jotaro is definitely not more skilled than yang by any means. Yang just by having the ability to properly utilize an aura and semblance puts her in the top percentile of then most skilled people on the entire planet (In RWBY being able to use those abilities is canonically martial skill-based) on top of her having feats like beating Melanie and Militia Malachite, two world-class assassins trained by one of the most prestigious assassin training facilities on the planet, simultaneously without even using her semblance despite one of them using a fighting style that she struggles against, and beating them on two separate occasions, and beating Arslan Altan, a student of Shade Academy whose combat skill was analyzed alongside all of the students of all the combat schools in the world and determined to be among the most skilled students of any school.

Blue · Oct 22, 2021

She did beat two assassins, one of which was even using techniques like feinting in her fighting style, however Jotaro has dealt with characters who's abilities outright require intuitive thinking to defeat. A few examples of some are Yellow Temperance, the D'arby brothers and Geb.

The biggest example of Jotaro having a high amount of skill with his stand was when he defeated Anubis, a stand that has centuries of experience who can learn and adapt from his opponents.

Baken384 · Oct 22, 2021

Star Platinum at its Peak + the stat amp from Star Platinum being close to Jotaro should be manageable stat wise when fighting against Yang. Just like what Blue stated above, Jotaro still managed to trade hands and compete with Anubis Chariot who had already memorized not only Silver Chariot's moves and techniques, which mind you Avdol has taken note on how highly trained Silver Chariot was, Polnareff even said he had trained Chariot for about ten years, it had also memorized Star Platinum's techniques beforehand when Anubis was still possessing Khan.

Yang would struggle to counter Jotaro's hits as she cannot see Star Platinum, she cannot identify when and where Star Platinum would hit her, Jotaro still has ways of moving around the battlefield aka the DIO street with his stand leaps, running away from Yang if required. Star Platinum is essentially Jotaro's invisible shield which he could possibly take advantage of, but if Yang manages to get pass Star Platinum and land a hit on Jotaro at lease once, Jotaro is just good as done at that point.

TheGunsFinalWrath · Oct 22, 2021

Spinoirr said:
Jotaro is definitely not more skilled than yang by any means. Yang just by having the ability to properly utilize an aura and semblance puts her in the top percentile of then most skilled people on the entire planet (In RWBY being able to use those abilities is canonically martial skill-based) on top of her having feats like beating Melanie and Militia Malachite, two world-class assassins trained by one of the most prestigious assassin training facilities on the planet, simultaneously without even using her semblance despite one of them using a fighting style that she struggles against, and beating them on two separate occasions, and beating Arslan Altan, a student of Shade Academy whose combat skill was analyzed alongside all of the students of all the combat schools in the world and determined to be among the most skilled students of any school.

Unless SP can phase through other Stands then that wont work due to Yang's aura being the equivalent of a Stand in every mechanical sense.

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"1 For justice that seems invincible, take advantage of vital capacity. It was as if Enya was taken care of. → D 10 does not realize that you are alive with the beating of your heart. Stand ability that keeps growing! Until he learned of the existence of his stand, Jotaro himself called his ability a demon and let him run wild. [However, by gaining combat experience,] you will be able to control the stand freely, and by facing DI0, you will awaken to the ultimate "power to stop time". Perhaps the best thing about star platinum is its growth potential."

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Here, you can see some insane precision feat, for a Coma'ed Jotaro, which is quite impressive, since he is ALSO not in his heyday either, in P6. P4 and P5 is like, > P6 Jotaro, due to age difference. So this is quite insane, and would greatly upscale P3 End Jotaro, even more so a Jotaro that is like, at his prime (Strongest Rage Amp)

But here ya can see SP basically move Jotaro to punch through some glass, which upon punching through, made them, somehow, scratch Jotaro in such a way to where on his arm, "Jolyne" was written. The Doctors are also implying/saying that he activated his stand, which upon summoning, SP did this shit for some unknown reason.

SP’s eyesight, reflexes, and strength control as SP is able to catch a microscopic stand with its fingers and not crush it and apply certain amounts of pressure. It was ALSO able to detect said Microscopic Stand, whilst unsummoned + Jotaro not being aware of its location at all, showcasing the fact that Star Platinum/SP has its own mind, and can act in cases where Jotaro himself is unable to, be it him being unconscious OR unaware of attacks, etc. Again, SP can also sense microscopic beings, in a 1 meter or higher radius around Jotaro, whilst having not finished its natural development potential. (As in, it has not developed fully or reached its full potential, so it's initial range of being able to detect microscopic sized beings, is definitely higher after Part 3. Basically his Heyday. Naturally, SP's range of detection is much more bigger when it comes to things that are MUCH more bigger than microscopic-sized beings, objects or projectiles or whatever, you get what I mean anyways.
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Jotaro, as I said, is quite clever. The dude is quite cautious cautious, he tricked another enemy stand user into revealing themselves when he writes his name wrong in the hotel sign up only for the enemy stand user to say what his actual name is even though nobody ever said it.
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Precision feat: SP and Jotaro are very adaptive in combat situations. the enemy shoots glass shards at Jotaro, Jotaro summons SP to grab all the glass shards and use them as makeshift brass knuckles to immediately punch the enemy
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Another Precision stuff: SP is very accurate with Star Finger, as it used that attack to ricochet button into the monkeys head
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Star Platinum: Powerful,Precison, Incredible Strength
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Jotaro uses SP to pull out a flesh bud from kakyoins head, something not even a skilled surgeon can do. The flesh bud starts making its way to Jotaro’s brain but Jotaro isn’t fazed, Jotaro and SP’s moves are more accurate than a machine, and SP hands don’t even shake from the pressure of the situation, then SP successfully removes the flesh bud
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Jotaro uses SP to draw a fly in the dark in a picture so accurately that it can actually be identified
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Jotaro is > Others (Joseph, Avdol, Kakyoin and Polnareff) in intelligence)Araki seems to think that Jotaro could easily save them from D'Arby The Elder.
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Reasons:
-Strategic cunning (Noteworthy for sure)
-Strong mental fortitude (Nothing special maybe)
-Battle of wits + being gutsy (Noteworthy)

"Who got turned into soul chips?!"
Araki: "Looking at these, you can easily imagine a story where Jotaro saves them all" (Kakyoin, Avdol, Polnareff and Joseph is there)

TheGunsFinalWrath · Oct 22, 2021

Baken384 said:
Star Platinum at its Peak + the stat amp from Star Platinum being close to Jotaro should be manageable stat wise when fighting against Yang. Just like what Blue stated above, Jotaro still managed to trade hands and compete with Anubis Chariot who had already memorized not only Silver Chariot's moves and techniques, which mind you Avdol has taken note on how highly trained Silver Chariot was, Polnareff even said he had trained Chariot for about ten years, it had also memorized Star Platinum's techniques beforehand when Anubis was still possessing Khan.

Yang would struggle to counter Jotaro's hits as she cannot see Star Platinum, she cannot identify when and where Star Platinum would hit her, Jotaro still has ways of moving around the battlefield aka the DIO street with his stand leaps, running away from Yang if required. Star Platinum is essentially Jotaro's invisible shield which he could possibly take advantage of, but if Yang manages to get pass Star Platinum and land a hit on Jotaro at lease once, Jotaro is just good as done at that point.

"Jotaro still managed to trade hands and compete with Anubis Chariot who had already memorized not only Silver Chariot's moves and techniques, which mind you Avdol has taken note on how highly trained Silver Chariot was, Polnareff even said he had trained Chariot for about ten years, it had also memorized Star Platinum's techniques beforehand when Anubis was still possessing Khan." Yo, thanks for noting that! Kinda forgot. (Thanks to Blue as well)

Baken384 · Oct 22, 2021

Keeweed · Oct 22, 2021

You are only supposed to bump after 12 hours of no other comments.

Baken384 · Oct 22, 2021

Keeweed said:
You are only supposed to bump after 12 hours of no other comments.

oop i forgor

Chariot190 · Oct 22, 2021

Weaknesses: He can only stop time for up to five seconds with Star Platinum: The World, and must wait a moment before he can use it again due to how taxing it is on the body.

Dont give a **** Spiniorr, if it's wrong, it's wrong. Dont give a shit if the profile says it, don't give a shit if a wiki says it, don't give a shit if you say it, I'm not gonna pretend something is right when it's easily demonstrably false.

Star Platinum: The World: Unlike DIO, Jotaro is only human, and repetitive use of the ability is extremely taxing on his stamina thus making it a requirement to take some pause between each use.

This is what is on Jotaro's page. Might want to do a crt if you think its wrong.

Probably will, doesn't change the fact if it's wrong, it's wrong so stop pretending it's right.

Spinoirr said:
His profile and the jojo wiki both say otherwise

And they're wrong then His profile doesn't even list his time stop length for Part 3 so cut that out.

The shit you listed as "proof" is also bullshit, it's never said, a n y w h e r e that that is the reason, at best, it's the reason why they can't stop time longer then five seconds compared to Dio, but the few second delay is a Part 6 thing, we're shown otherwise explicitly, and the only time it's ever an issue is post coma, where we're told his sustainability is explicitly far worse due to atrophy.

And when it comes to time stop length, the wiki actually does say his time stop is five seconds in Part 3, as you'd expect, because we're ******* told it's five seconds in Part 3, multiple times.

Star Platinum

Star Platinum (スタープラチナ（星の白金）, Sutā Purachina) is the Stand of Jotaro Kujo, primarily featured in the third part of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure series, Stardust Crusaders. It also appears in the fourth part, Diamond is Unbreakable, and the sixth part, Stone Ocean.

jojowiki.com

"Prime 5 seconds
Part 4 0.5 to 2 seconds
Start of Part 6 2 seconds
End of Part 6 5 seconds
This content comes from JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia (https://jojowiki.com), and must be attributed to its authors, as specified in the license.
JoJo's Bizarre Wiki (the FANDOM wiki) is prohibited from using it, for repeatedly copying without giving attribution."

Prime being when Jotaro was 17/18 years old, in the fight with Dio, as said literally right here on this scan that's on his profile.

You really don't want to try and act like you know what you're talking about, you come off as ignorant as **** dude.

Nierre · Oct 22, 2021

Calm down..

Chariot190 · Oct 22, 2021

Nierre said:
Calm down..

I am, you're confusing being blunt and some pg language with being heated, a few ***** and calling someone out isn't an indication of not being calm, many here can attest to that.

If I was mad I'd probably not even post at all in case I go overboard.

DarkDragonMedeus · Oct 22, 2021

I'm not here to debate on the Vs Thread, nor did anyone do anything to bad, but it would be appreciated if Chariot at least toned down the language just a little bit. Also, if you don't agree with certain things on the profile, I agree with Spinorr that it would be for a content revision to clarify that rather than complain about the profile here. As the rules do say what's on the profile goes, if there's something in the page that needs to be changed, that's what content revisions are for.

That is all.

Chariot190 · Oct 22, 2021

DDM, let's not pretend that just because a profile says something, it's infallible, especially when in this case the profile doesn't even say otherwise. It doesn't say "Jotaro's time stop is less than 5 seconds" or "it's 2 seconds" or whatever.
The profile didn't even say that so saying "well the profile says this thus we have to use it" doesn't check out when the profile never said that to begin with.

And you'd think so too, because this is basic common knowledge that peak Jotaro could do it for 5 seconds, the profile actually has scans linked on it that say as much (The link I just sent above is from the profile even), and the profile even recognizes that Part 4's time stop is less than Part 3.
Ergo hiding behind a CRT excuse isn't gonna work when all a CRT would do is shove it down your throat instead, as the profile never actually contradicts the claim but even kinda runs with what I was saying, as you'd think, because it's straight up stated like four times.

DaReaperMan · Oct 22, 2021

We have A L W A Y S made CRTs to change shit. Just because something is wrong doesn't mean we can just go ahead and change a profile without a CRT. If something is wrong then you damn well make a CRT to change it to be correct.

Chariot, M3X. this is report and even ban-worthy. It's kinda the rules, they exist for a reason. And personally, I don't want to see either of you banned. Jojo ain't a special case to the rule about that, in fact, how many damn interpretations of Return to Zero would be brought to every versus thread involving GER would you see if that rule wasn't in place?

Chariot190 · Oct 22, 2021

Maybe if the issue was even on the profile, you realize that, Spiniorr's claims of "well the profile says this", never actually said that, nowhere on the profile did it say Jotaro's time stop in Part 3 wasn't five seconds, the only Jotaro on the profile who is stated not to have five seconds of time stop is Part 4 (Which the profile even claims is less than his previous peak), which is true, he has half a second at the start as he says himself and eventually up to 2 by the time it ended, Part 3 isn't Part 4, Part 3 has the full five seconds, we're told as much multiple times.

Ergo going "well the profile says otherwise" doesnt even work because it never did so, nothing is changed, nothing was broken in regards to that.

how many damn interpretations of Return to Zero would be brought to every versus thread involving GER would you see if that rule wasn't in place?

This ain't up to interpretation though, vague things like RTZ I understand sure, it's controversial and subject to opinion but I'm not so sure "part 3 jotaro has five seconds of time stop" - araki like five times.
Kinda not really vague, that's straightforward and not really up for debate.

Though I'm not sure why you're telling me this, I said I don't give a **** if the profile says something that's wrong as true and I'm not gonna pretend it's right if it's wrong, that's indeed something I stand by as it'd be disingenuous otherwise, I'm not gonna pretend something clearly not true is actually right, for example, Shigechi's Harvest range is an example of complete bullshit, it isn't 100s of kms like the profile claims, it's like, maybe 5-10, I'm not gonna pretend the blatant false claim is true and as such, I plan on mentioning that in the range CRT among other examples of faulty ranges, but at the same time I never said I wouldn't do a CRT for this nor have I touched the profile, so I don't know why you're coming to me, I said I'd likely do one clarify Jotaro, never said I wouldn't lad.

Baken384 · Oct 22, 2021

Anyways guys what do you guys think of the battle now since Jotaro's time stop is now restricted, I still think he can do a decent job as stated above with Jotaro's skill and natural stand ability shenanigans.

TheGunsFinalWrath · Oct 22, 2021

Baken384 said:
Anyways guys what do you guys think of the battle now since Jotaro's time stop is now restricted, I still think he can do a decent job as stated above with Jotaro's skill and natural stand ability shenanigans.

He should still be able to annihilate her quite easily. Not stomp, but beat her up.

He's like > her in intelligence department + skills, etc anything. So Jotaro takes the win. That's my vote

Baken384 · Oct 22, 2021

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
He should still be able to annihilate her quite easily. Not stomp, but beat her up. He's like > her in intelligence department + skills, etc anything. So Jotaro takes the win. That's my vote

Vote Counted but Yang's Burn moment could prove to be troublesome or something for Jotaro, I'm pretty sure he should be able to deduct that Yang would go apeshit on him by her looks alone once she activates her semblance.

Chariot190 · Oct 22, 2021

I don't even care about the match, I only posted to clarify the blatant misinfo as such it's probably wrong for me to vote.

Jamesthetaker · Oct 22, 2021

Baken384 said:
Anyways guys what do you guys think of the battle now since Jotaro's time stop is now restricted, I still think he can do a decent job as stated above with Jotaro's skill and natural stand ability shenanigans.

You can't restrict ability, it's against the rule.

LephyrTheRevanchist · Oct 22, 2021

Jamesthetaker said:
You can't restrict ability, it's against the rule.

He can if it's in another key or an optional power. Essentially, this would be Jotaro before he acquired the time stop ability.

Chariot190 · Oct 22, 2021

He can restrict time stop, but we wouldn't be using unga bunga peak Jotaro, we'd be using the 8-C+ version pretty sure given how we treat things like that here? The peak Jotaro was the time stop, so the only way to restrict it and still have the match go through is if we used a Jotaro who never had it in the first place I think?

Unless there isn't any qualms without it being added, in which case got nuts.

But it seems I got Ninja'd so...

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