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@StrymULTRA reported it. We have an entire thread for people to request the deletion of profiles, provided you have a good reason.
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Just had Antvasima and Just a Random Butler on my message wall about some edits, and everything seemed fine for all the profiles after a few fixes. Why did @StrymULTRA report it for deletion? :0@StrymULTRA reported it. We have an entire thread for people to request the deletion of profiles, provided you have a good reason.
I checked the deletion thread, and Strym said it was "Self-explanatory". I don't know what that was meant to refer to.Just had Antvasima and Just a Random Butler on my message wall about some edits, and everything seemed fine for all the profiles after a few fixes. Why did @StrymULTRA report it for deletion? :0
The first thing that comes to mind to me is the categories on the page. I don't remember if that was one of the pages with proper categories on it. I know I added categories to the other pages, as they still exist and I can view their edit history, but I don't know about The Vigilante. Other than that, I don't think there was much wrong with it. The scaling comes from calcs that were accepted, and the abilities listed were solely based on information from the game. I don't think formatting was much of an issue since the admins seem willing to accept that, though they will tell you to fix them.Outside of some fixes made to formatting and categories, there wasn't difference yet between how it was on my blog, and the profile. All @StrymULTRA put was 'self explanatory' in the request. What?
I've always felt like that thread was one of the more toxic places on the wiki@StrymULTRA reported it. We have an entire thread for people to request the deletion of profiles, provided you have a good reason.
My concern is why couldn't it have just been edited?I've always felt like that thread was one of the more toxic places on the wiki
People often just casually insult the people who tried contributing
I don't know. I'm not super familiar with how moderation on this wiki works. I assume Strym has an answer to that question, but we can't really hear the answer unless they feel like sending a message about it.My concern is why couldn't it have just been edited?
You're right about the structural integrity bit. I hadn't meant that he sustains the worlds, or that they collapse without him, and that implies he does. The Unknown tiering was because Pillar John maintains the portals to these pocket dimensions. Since we don't really know much beyond the face value fact that these portals rely on a given Pillar John (because he's a hivemind), I thought it would be appropriate, as the implications are unclear. Still, could be something to discuss further.Pillar John's Unknown tier shouldn't have the justification of holding up the structural integrity of the worlds because he is stated to only hold up the portals connecting to them. Otherwise everyone would be Tier 4 because of Deep Dish 9. The worlds never collapse when a John is taken out, he just alerts Pizzaface, they just look like they're collapsing because tension I guess. Fires start in Pig City as a result of Pizza Time activating though, so perhaps Pillar John has fire manipulation
I agree. The implications would be too inconsistent, and the justification doesn't actually follow considering the levels are disconnected from the tower, accessed by portals.Absolutely nobody would be Tier 4 even if we used that as justification for Pillar John anyways
Oh yeah, I've seen that profile before. Still not surprised it was made by Blaze.I agree. The implications would be too inconsistent, and the justification doesn't actually follow considering the levels are disconnected from the tower, accessed by portals.Some people want this tiering for the verse, and use the levels being pocket dimensions as justification for it being Tier 4 though lol
Which new profiles are you referring to?Whoever made the new profiles hasn't read how tier section works
John Pillar and vigilanteWhich new profiles are you referring to?
In the meantime, I thought of three other abilities we could give him.
I see that the Pillar John page makes mention of durability for assigning a potential 9-A tier...is that what you're referring to? In the case of The Vigilante, I don't see much issue with the tier section right now. Are there other issues you'd like to point out?John Pillar and vigilante
I'll try to get some scans/gifs later, but yeah; I think those would be reasonable additions. Besides the ones pertaining to weapons, The Vigilante also summons those cardboard cutouts in addition to the cows.In the meantime, I thought of three other abilities we could give him.
Explosion Manipulation - We already gave him Vibration Manipulation for the rocket launcher, and since it also causes explosions, this could work.
Fire Manipulation - Via flamethrower.
Summoning - He summons that bouncing cow during the boss fight.
Of course, we should comply with adding scans first in order to ensure the page is allowed, but I felt like dropping these suggestions here for now.
Nevermind, I saw the posts in the deletion thread.I see that the Pillar John page makes mention of durability for assigning a potential 9-A tier...is that what you're referring to? In the case of The Vigilante, I don't see much issue with the tier section right now. Are there other issues you'd like to point out?
The Pillar John part still seems to have the tiering problem Arceus pointed out. Durability isn't what grants a tier, it's attack power. So people at 9-A being able to take him out shouldn't grant a 9-A tier. Other characters were granted that because they can harm Peppino, who has calcs for what he can withstand. To harm a guy with X durability, they should have at least X attack power. It's an acceptable use of logic that's even mentioned on the Tiering System page. Pillar John can't be given a tier in this way because he doesn't directly harm anyone as a pillar. Him being taken out by an attack at X power doesn't mean he also has X power.Yep. Going to bed, but I did a whole bunch of linking on the blogs for The Vigilante, and Pillar John. Used youtube footage for both, and some wiki links for John.
I've changed it to just Unknown.The Pillar John part still seems to have the tiering problem Arceus pointed out. Durability isn't what grants a tier, it's attack power. So people at 9-A being able to take him out shouldn't grant a 9-A tier. Other characters were granted that because they can harm Peppino, who has calcs for what he can withstand. To harm a guy with X durability, they should have at least X attack power. It's an acceptable use of logic that's even mentioned on the Tiering System page. Pillar John can't be given a tier in this way because he doesn't directly harm anyone as a pillar. Him being taken out by an attack at X power doesn't mean he also has X power.
To be honest, doesn't Pizzaface pulling the sword from the first floor basically confirm that the levels are actual parts of the towers and not pocket dimensions?I agree. The implications would be too inconsistent, and the justification doesn't actually follow considering the levels are disconnected from the tower, accessed by portals.Some people want this tiering for the verse, and use the levels being pocket dimensions as justification for it being Tier 4 though lol
It's Pizzahead doing that, and our source for the levels being pocket dimensions is one of the developers' comments. Pizzahead pulling up part of a level doesn't really contradict that when you take into account his Reality Warping powers.To be honest, doesn't Pizzaface pulling the sword from the first floor basically confirm that the levels are actual parts of the towers and not pocket dimensions?
Nah: Pizzahead could just be reaching their hand into the portal. Statements from the dev aside, the last Pillar John in 'The Crumbling Tower of Pizza' is the only one that seems to matter for the actual tower to stay standing (besides the enormous statue John seen in the Staff Only hub), and doesn't respawn like the others due to being the original body.To be honest, doesn't Pizzaface pulling the sword from the first floor basically confirm that the levels are actual parts of the towers and not pocket dimensions?
Pizzaface is basically just a mecha that Pizzahead pilots. We usually list mechas in their pilots' profiles.Pizzaface is a separate entity from Pizzahead, with his own set of abilities.
Is that the case even when said mecha can move on its own? I'm not super familiar with how such pages work.Pizzaface is basically just a mecha that Pizzahead pilots. We usually list mechas in their pilots' profiles.
Yeah, plus Pizzaface was probably still controlled by Pizzahead in the last fight anyhowIs that the case even when said mecha can move on its own? I'm not super familiar with how such pages work.
I think on the blog post I saw, he was given 5-C level Reality Warping due to affecting a moon.Should pizza face have High 6-A reality warping?
he shouldn't have 5-C since he didn't destroy the moon, just affected it's surfaceI think on the blog post I saw, he was given 5-C level Reality Warping due to affecting a moon.
On a different note, I think there should be a note on his profile somewhere explaining that he doesn't use his Reality Warping for combat, only comedic effect like a Toon Force user.
Then I guess 6-A should work. Looking back, the feat doesn't seem to qualify for High 6-A, let alone 5-C. The moon's surface area is already smaller than some continents (ex. Asia), so I'm not sure if affecting it would qualify for multi-continent. The moon's surface area is around 37.9 million km^2 while Asia is about 44.4 million km^2. Granted, Asia is one of the Earth's larger continents, but this is also a feat based around size.he shouldn't have 5-C since he didn't destroy the moon, just affected it's surface
i think he shifted it enough to qualifyThen I guess 6-A should work. Looking back, the feat doesn't seem to qualify for High 6-A, let alone 5-C. The moon's surface area is already smaller than some continents, so affecting it wouldn't qualify for multi-continent.