The Pheasant and The Cow - Aokiji vs Daewi Han

[SemiRaedi]

Regardless of whether it's passive or not? How is the elemental intangibility not a power of theirs? They can only utilise it after eating the fruit that gives them power so I'm confused as to how that couldn't just get nullified via using power nullification on Kuzan's whole fruit which I imagine would come with his intangibility too.

Is this a limit of the characters powernull or is there something about their elemental intangibility that makes it unaffected by powernull.

 

[KingTempest]

I am saying that unless it was stated or actively shown that it is passive it is not cause passive means regardless their intagibility happens, that will mean for kizaru he passes though anything, akainu melts antthing he touches or stands on or his clothes even (Mirio Bnh), Passives gives infintie speed to their reaction which they will be blatnatly wrong. and for the last time nothing says it is passive.

"Passive gives infinite speed to their reaction" prove it.

Crocodile, no haki, got sliced by Doflamingo offguard and turned into sand.
Sabo, never used the fruit in his life, says that he doesn't need to dodge anymore because his fruit handled it.
Enel was sleeping and he couldn't get hurt.

Rayleigh says the only way to hurt a logia outside of targeting a logia's weakness is to get haki. He didn't say "move faster than they can react".

Burden of proof is on you to prove something which isn't accepted by the wiki.

Hwy her intagibility did not activate tho, that is the argument

YES IT DID, HOW DO YOU THINK SHE DIDN'T DIE??

Nah he was simply flexing and obviously is not actually asleep

Prove, it he was yawning the previous page.

I am not, that is what passive means tho, passives mean he does not control when it activates or not and it happens regardless of his reactions or will, and we have them throughout the series deactivating their logia form, Kizaru did that against ray cause you know rayleigh could hit his logia form and other cases

Did I say it's passive that their abilities are used?
I said it is passive that they can not be touched.
The strawman is ridiculous.

 

[Loyd]

who did park powernull on contact?

 

[theultimate5105]

You mean the second time when she wasn't wounded at all?

Who said it does?
You said he was skilled, I sent otherwise

I said Fairly skilled by he could instantly use his fruit to a high degree of effectiveness compare it to other people like luffy when he first had his fruit

He flat out said he fell asleep.

That is literally just him flexing

Did I say his magma is active all the time?
I said his intan is passive.
If someone touches him, he turns to magma.
It doesn't mean that the magma affects happen 24/7

So if he touches the floor he turns to magma
why would it be specific to someone

 

[KingTempest]

I said Fairly skilled by he could instantly use his fruit to a high degree of effectiveness compare it to other people like luffy when he first had his fruit

Ok.
He says otherwise.
Gts

That is literally just him flexing

So if he touches the floor he turns to magma
why would it be specific to someone

Is the floor attacking him?

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Regardless of whether it's passive or not? How is the elemental intangibility not a power of theirs? They can only utilise it after eating the fruit that gives them power so I'm confused as to how that couldn't just get nullified via using power nullification on Kuzan's whole fruit which I imagine would come with his intangibility too.

Is this a limit of the characters powernull or is there something about their elemental intangibility that makes it unaffected by powernull.

It's a defense mechanism rather than a power. Logia intangibility is essentially not something you can simply turn off or turn on (unless the user gets attacked). Think of it that way, can you powernull something that's already turned off? Can you powernull their elemental intangibility Regen? That's not how power Nullification works, in order to do that you need Regen Negation

 

[RazumaHiroki]

We are specifically talking about their Logia intangibility aka Defense mechanism being passive, so where is your proof of their logia intangibility being not passive?

Even this website accepted their Elemental intangibility as passive, you want me to prove something that has already been accepted long time ago. I honestly don't know why are arguing in the first. You may be able to touch a Logia user in their logia form - Elemental intangibility. However, you cannot hurt them without Haki, Sea stone or you have Elemental Advantage against said user - Elemental intangibility (AGAIN). They only have their Regen in their logia form, therefore it's treated as passive

Read

 

[RazumaHiroki]

These desperate arguments stretches longer than Luffy's arms......


What part of "in Logia form" and "elemental intangibility" do people not get? Since when is the floor attacking Akainu. Since when is a huge considered offensive or an attack. Since when is shaking someone's hand considered dangerous?

 

[SemiRaedi]

It's a defense mechanism rather than a power. Logia intangibility is essentially not something you can simply turn off or turn on (unless the user gets attacked). Think of it that way, can you powernull something that's already turned off? Can you powernull their elemental intangibility Regen? That's not how power Nullification works, in order to do that you need Regen Negation

Ah ok thx for the explanation

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Ah ok thx for the explanation

You are welcome

 

[TauanVictor]

Aokiji FRA

 

[SemiRaedi]

Is this match not a stomp since Daewi can't actually beat Aokiji?

 

[PrinceofPein]

"Passive gives infinite speed to their reaction" prove it.

So a MFTL++++ attacks would pass through logias, cause you know it is passive

Enel was sleeping and he couldn't get hurt.

this was a flex lmao

Burden of proof is on you to prove something which isn't accepted by the wiki.

waiting for the CRT that will makew the Logia intagibility a passive ability

YES IT DID, HOW DO YOU THINK SHE DIDN'T DIE??

idk all i know is that she was cut while in logia form without haki cause zoro is way faster than her

Prove, it he was yawning the previous page.

Oh you mean him sitting down and allowing the guy to keep attacking is not flexing?>

Did I say it's passive that their abilities are used?
I said it is passive that they can not be touched.
The strawman is ridiculous.

You really dont even know what passives mean or what it implies. Passives means no one will be able to touch them regardless of anything which is not the case in the series

anyway enough derailing, passive or not is useless to this thread

 

[SemiRaedi]

How about the logia intag being an automatic defense then? It automatically turns on the moment you do something to trigger it

 

[SemiRaedi]

Imo automatic seems like a better word since passive tends to mean that it's always on rather than automatic which means it goes on regardless of the user choosing to do so

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Stop being biased and count again

What you mean?

So I'm voting Aokiji unless there's something I'm missing here.

Aokiji FRA

Anyway, Pheasant FRA.

And know it’s fully a 4 for aokiji

I vote Aokiji

my vote to incon

I think this is just incon

It only you. That have voted for Daewi.

 

[PrinceofPein]

What you mean?



And know it’s fully a 4 for aokiji



It only you. That have voted for Daewi.

also change my vote to incon

 

[KingTempest]

Imo automatic seems like a better word since passive tends to mean that it's always on rather than automatic which means it goes on regardless of the user choosing to do so

This is better

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

3 incon
5 aokiji

 

[SemiRaedi]

What do we do with the thread then since Daewi has no wincons?

 

[SemiRaedi]

If there is no wincon for Daewi then I retract my vote for Aokiji since it's a stomp
And what's the reasoning for voting incon since eventually Daewi will get tired before Aokiji and then get killed

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What do we do with the thread then since Daewi has no wincons?

Well joshpiece doesn’t think that… and I don’t think it’s fully a stomp since Daewi can use water which is a weakness to devil fruit users, just VERY difficult to find a opening with it.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Well joshpiece doesn’t think that… and I don’t think it’s fully a stomp since Daewi can use water which is a weakness to devil fruit users, just VERY difficult to find a opening with it.

Doesn't Aokiji automatically turn into ice the moment he comes in contact with the water?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Doesn't Aokiji automatically turn into ice the moment he comes in contact with the water?

Don’t think so… he needs to active it

people above said he only automatically get defended when attacked…

 

[SemiRaedi]

Don’t think so… he needs to active it

people above said he only automatically get defended when attacked…

Isn't the water an attack?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Isn't the water an attack?

No? It doesn’t harm him at all…

 

[SemiRaedi]

No? It doesn’t harm him at all…

Daewi using 6-B water manipulation to hit Aokiji?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Daewi using 6-B water manipulation to hit Aokiji?

Depends how he uses that water manipulation… if he tries to pierce him with it, it will do nothing but if he find an opening and drowns him then he can possibly drown aokiji but that’s a very low chance even to a non observation haki user

 

[SemiRaedi]

Fair enough

 

[joshpiece]

And what's the reasoning for voting incon since eventually Daewi will get tired before Aokiji and then get killed

Haetae can just keep destroying Aokiji as well and Kuzan can’t even interact with him.

And Haetae can heal Daewi.

Haetae can just fly around with daewi on his back while he’s shooting energy beams so Daewi can rest. Daewi has multiple answers for his stamina.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Voting Aokiji FRA above and the logia intangibility is passive but I thought you had to train it to be passive, Crocodile said he mastered his fruit so he can turn into sand reflexively if attacked

So obviously, Aokiji can do that, but Sabo in my opinion can´t or is doing it consciously to dodge the attacks

 

[PrinceofPein]

Voting Aokiji FRA above and the logia intangibility is passive but I thought you had to train it to be passive, Crocodile said he mastered his fruit so he can turn into sand reflexively if attacked

So obviously, Aokiji can do that, but Sabo in my opinion can´t or is doing it consciously to dodge the attacks

No one is saying it is not on reflex, once it is on reflex, it is not passive, passive means it does not matter ur speed, reaction or reflex it will happen

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

No one is saying it is not on reflex, once it is on reflex, it is not passive, passive means it does not matter ur speed, reaction or reflex it will happen

Then perfect

 

[SemiRaedi]

Haetae can just keep destroying Aokiji as well and Kuzan can’t even interact with him.

And Haetae can heal Daewi.

Haetae can just fly around with daewi on his back while he’s shooting energy beams so Daewi can rest. Daewi has multiple answers for his stamina.

Nvm switching to inconclusive

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Oh right I forgot that Aokiji can't interact with Haetae.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Definitely incon FRA since Haetae deals with stamina and Aokiji can't do anything to stop Haetae

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Aokiji can't do anything to stop Haetae

Doesn’t need to… just kills Daewi

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

6 Aokiji
4 incon

 

[SemiRaedi]

Doesn’t need to… just kills Daewi

Daewi flies into the air out of range or just spams shockwaves every time Aokiji attacks him to break up the ice

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Daewi flies into the air out of range

Aokiji can freeze the air... And he won't be fast enough to get out of range....

or just spams shockwaves every time Aokiji attacks him to break up the ice

Will be to slow... Aokiji dodges them or tanks them while freezing Daewi.