The Pheasant and The Cow - Aokiji vs Daewi Han

[joshpiece]

It will be the opposite since aokiji's ice is instant and precog... And out staminas.

The ice has infinite speed now? No monkey the ice is not instant, Daewi is not a fool he’s not going to let him freeze him. He’s one of the most skilled characters on this wiki.

Stamina doesn’t matter when Daewi has to put no effort into shattering kuzan and can just fly on Haetae. Or he can just get repeatedly healed by Haetae solving the stamina advantage anyway

Will be too slow and precog...

Monkey it’s = speed. Speed is not an issue I can even argue Daewi has speed amps bc of Borrowed power. Pre cog is not going to save him form an Aoe shockwave that scales much higher than Kuzan. He’ll simply just get broken into pieces.

And do what?

Attack Kuzan with energy beams, break Daewi out of the ice, heal Daewi multiple things that stop Kuzan from winning.

Also Kuzan can’t even freeze Haetae since he is Non physical and can’t be interacted with regularly.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Monkey it’s = speed. Speed is not an issue I can even argue Daewi has speed amps bc of Borrowed power. Pre cog is not going to save him form an Aoe shockwave that scales much higher than Kuzan. He’ll simply just get broken into pieces.

I'm saying will he be to slow because aokiji's ice will freeze him before he does anything...

The ice has infinite speed now? No monkey the ice is not instant

I think tempest got the scans for that

• Ice Age (Glacial Epoch): An attack used only near the ocean or another large area of water. Kuzan places his hand in the water, then in an instant freezes it (along with anything in/on it) completely solid. The actual extent of the ice can stretch for miles and last for over a week. The attack can still be conducted as long as the ice he controls is in contact with both himself and the area he wishes to freeze. This process is nigh-instant, can effect massive areas, and can take weeks to thaw.

Stamina doesn’t matter when Daewi has to put no effort into shattering kuzan and can just fly on Haetae.

Aokiji put no effort in creating new ice. Flying won't help... Also range.

Attack Kuzan with energy beams

Precog or repels them.

break Daewi out of the ice

and aokiji creates new ones until Daewi dies.

Also Kuzan can’t even freeze Haetae since he is Non physical and can’t be interacted with regularly.

Doesn't need to, he'll just kill Daewi.

heal Daewi multiple things that stop Kuzan from winning.

He can't heal when he is died when he is frozen...

He’s one of the most skilled characters on this wiki.

Does not matter against hax...

I don't understand your argument... They don't really make sense and they are quite bad...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Actually he would die if he tried to break free...

• Ice Time: Kuzan touches his opponent's body, then freezes them into a human ice statue. They can remain alive in a form of suspended animation for some time in their icy prison, but any decent hit will shatter them to pieces. If the ice is melted quickly and carefully the victim can return back to normal without any lasting repercussions.

This Devil Fruit also allows Kuzan to seemingly project the freezing temperature of his body and emit it outwards, such as when he uses his mere physical presence to freeze the ground, air, water and any object around him.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Would encasing Aokiji in a bubble of water stop him? Daewi can do that.

 

[joshpiece]

I don't understand your argument... They don't really make sense and they are quite bad...

Monkey what do you not understand. Daewi sends shockwaves breaks all his ice and him. Due to a large ap advantage.

Your argument is literally pre cog gg. 1. His precog doesn’t make him omniscient he literally won’t be able to dodge an aoe shockwave. He gets shatters then regens then it goes on and on.

Do you honestly think Kuzan just Freezes all the sky and wins gg. So out of character he literally has never done that. So flying is definitely an advantage.

Kuzan can’t repel attacks stronger than his own he has Never shown the capability to do that. Shit 3 admirals had to use their haki to repel one of WB attacks.

Kuzan can’t even freeze Haetae. Haetae can literally just spam energy blasts shattering Kuzan.

It is = speed monkey Kuzan is not faster than Daewi. In the time it takes him to kneel down to freeze the ground to freeze Daewi he will already be broken. It’s not like Daewi is just going to let himself get frozen he’s very strategic.

Would encasing Aokiji in a bubble of water stop him? Daewi can do that.

Edit again we’ll I asked Tempest and Kuzan would just be able to freeze the water. So it would definitely be a stalling technique but not anything more than that.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Voting Daewi DRA, he already has superior AP and borrowed powers allows you to stomp someone that stopms you normally with a finger i will say this is pretty much one shot. or btw borrowewd power increases speed also

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Daewi's Borrowed Power specifically does not increase speed. I don't know where you got that from. And while Borrowed Power does give you a boost in AP, it varies from person to person. Haetae is not a massive boost in power like Hercules. That being said, it is powerful in its own right and can fight independent from Daewi himself.

Also, the AoE ice blast thing can be negated by Daewi making a water barrier in front of him.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Do you honestly think Kuzan just Freezes all the sky and wins gg. So out of character he literally has never done that. So flying is definitely an advantage.

Monkey what do you not understand. Daewi sends shockwaves breaks all his ice and him. Due to a large ap advantage.

Before Daewi does anything,.. he will turn into ice… and if he tries to break out he will die…

It is = speed monkey Kuzan is not faster than Daewi. In the time it takes him to kneel down to freeze the ground to freeze Daewi he will already be broken. It’s not like Daewi is just going to let himself get frozen he’s very strategic.

Aokiji just thinks and hes frozen.

Kuzan can’t even freeze Haetae. Haetae can literally just spam energy blasts shattering Kuzan.

Doesn’t need to… haetea would try to somehow break Daewi out of the ice and kill him… or Daewi kills himself by trying to break free…

Your argument is literally pre cog gg. 1. His precog doesn’t make him omniscient he literally won’t be able to dodge an aoe shockwave. He gets shatters then regens then it goes on and on.

My argument is aokiji freezes him before he does anything (which is near instant and doesn’t require any movement, he just thinks) and then he Daewi is stuck, he will try to break himself out which will result in him shattering himself.

 

[joshpiece]

Aokiji just thinks and hes frozen.

Aokiji faster than Doffy.

situational only did that to save marineford. And he’s not freezing the sky.

Doesn’t need to… haetea would try to somehow break Daewi out of the ice and kill him… or Daewi kills himself by trying to break free…

Doesn’t need too daewi shatters kuzan before he does anything.

My argument is aokiji freezes him before he does anything (which is near instant and doesn’t require any movement, he just thinks) and then he Daewi is stuck, he will try to break himself out which will result in him shattering himself.

he’s done that 1 time against somebody who was off guard and who he’s faster than. Daewi sees ice coming flys and shatters kuzan then keeps shattering him.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Bump.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Daewi FRA

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

TFW people ignore everything to FRA the votes for someone who's voting Incon and not Han

 

[Nierre]

TFW people ignore everything to FRA the votes for someone who's voting Incon and not Han

The arguments sounds stronger on Daewi's part. Aokiji's only advantages (from what I see) are precog, stamina, and freezing, which Daewi who (possibly) skillstomps, if not has a huge skill advantage, shockwaves that will just break any ice encasing him or attacking him, that don't take much stamina anyways, and he has a healing ability and has beam spam. Daewi FRA

 

[SemiRaedi]

TFW people ignore everything to FRA the votes for someone who's voting Incon and not Han

Meh, I just think Daewi's reasoning is better than "Aokiji speed blitz with ice in speed equalised"

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Meh, I just think Daewi's reasoning is better than "Aokiji speed blitz with ice in speed equalised"

The arguments sounds stronger on Daewi's part. Aokiji's only advantages (from what I see) are precog, stamina, and freezing, which Daewi who (possibly) skillstomps, if not has a huge skill advantage, shockwaves that will just break any ice encasing him or attacking him, that don't take much stamina anyways, and he has a healing ability and has beam spam. Daewi FRA

Tell me... How is Daewi killing or doing any damage to Aokiji.... Shockwave's ain't doing a thing(he uses his mere physical presence to freeze the ground, air, water and any object around him), skills doesn't matter, healing won't matter once he is frozen, Aokiji can shatter him easily (which healing can't help)... Beam spam will do nothing.


What are these votes?

 

[Crabwhale]

The arguments sounds stronger on Daewi's part. Aokiji's only advantages (from what I see) are precog, stamina, and freezing, which Daewi who (possibly) skillstomps, if not has a huge skill advantage, shockwaves that will just break any ice encasing him or attacking him, that don't take much stamina anyways, and he has a healing ability and has beam spam. Daewi FRA

And the whole thing about not being capable of being incapped or killed due to Logia powers, yes.

 

[Crabwhale]

Honestly hate to say it but worst comes to worst, this becomes a stamina game. And Aokiji has far superior feats of that.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Don't think stamina would matter since I don't see Daewi escaping being frozen and then shattered.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

It's also completely in-character for Daewi to encase his opponent in a bubble of water.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It's also completely in-character for Daewi to encase his opponent in a bubble of water.

Um... ??

Also, the AoE ice blast thing can be negated by Daewi making a water barrier in front of him.

How?

 

[SemiRaedi]

Tell me... How is Daewi killing or doing any damage to Aokiji.... Shockwave's ain't doing a thing(he uses his mere physical presence to freeze the ground, air, water and any object around him), skills doesn't matter, healing won't matter once he is frozen, Aokiji can shatter him easily (which healing can't help)... Beam spam will do nothing.


What are these votes?

Nah those arguments have already been dealt with tbh, shockwaves are higher in AP than Aokiji's ice so he isn't freezing it, his skills will help him to dodge and avoid Aokijis attacks as well as using his water barrier as temporary protection to help him fly in the air and spam beams.

However, although Aokiji can't really harm Daewi from the get go, logia makes it a stamina match and I doubt Aokiji will be dumb enough to let Daewi blast him to dust (if Daewi can even do that) and Aokiji's stamina is way higher than Daewi's so R.I.P.

So...what is Daewi's wincon since Aokiji could literally take the attacks standing still until Daewi gets tired and then ice him.

I'm retracting my Daewi vote although I want to know whether this is a stomp or not.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

shockwaves are higher in AP than Aokiji's ice so he isn't freezing it

Um? That's not how it works at all... I think, He would need some type of ice resistance...

his skills will help him to dodge and avoid Aokijis attacks as well as using his water barrier as temporary protection to help him fly in the air and spam beams.

Skills vs Observation Haki.... Observation Haki destroys. Water barrier gets frozen and Daewi with it... all that you said, Aokiji will already know beforehand and counter.

I'm retracting my Daewi vote although I want to know whether this is a stomp or not.

Well Joshpiece, NomsNoms and Pain_to12 doesn't think that so... I see nothing Daewi can do and aokiji starts with this so the match will be over really quickly, even if Aokiji doesn't do that I don't see what Daewi can do to damage or even hit Aokiji. To me it might be a stomp

 

[Nierre]

Actually nvm, changing my vote to incon

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So
2 incon votes
1 Daewi vote
3-4 Aokiji votes

 

[PrinceofPein]

So
2 incon votes
1 Daewi vote
3-4 Aokiji votes

Stop being biased and count again

 

[Loyd]

What is daewi wincon can he harm aokiji

 

[Sir_Ovens]

What is daewi wincon can he harm aokiji

Daewi can just think a water barrier around Aokiji and instantly weaken him.

 

[KingTempest]

What stops him from, idk, freezing it???

 

[Crabwhale]

If he's already in ice form he can prolly freeze it as soon as it makes contact though.

In general Aokiji is really ******* hard to affect with a DF's weakness to water thinking about it. Even if you teleported him to the bottom of the sea the water would freeze before it did anything.

 

[KingTempest]

He’s the guy who can freeze tens of kilometers of water in a few seconds, y’all think a water bubble is stopping him?

 

[SemiRaedi]

Um? That's not how it works at all... I think, He would need some type of ice resistance...

Ah yes, ice resistance for kinetic energy

Skills vs Observation Haki.... Observation Haki destroys. Water barrier gets frozen and Daewi with it... all that you said, Aokiji will already know beforehand and counter.

He is literally up there in one of the most skilled characters on the site stop wanking observation haki. Aokiji sees Daewi attack he attacks before Daewi and because Daewi isn't a moron like your insinuating he'll counter by breaking the ice and buying time to get in the air. Why do you think that just because Aokiji knows what Daewi will do that suddenly Daewi just let's Aokiji counter him?

I see nothing Daewi can do and aokiji starts with this so the match will be over really quickly, even if Aokiji doesn't do that I don't see what Daewi can do to damage or even hit Aokiji. To me it might be a stomp

So Daewi can't just move?

 

[SemiRaedi]

If it isn't a stomp then I vote Aokiji but not for reasons that involve Daewi literally being brain dead

 

[Loyd]

A water bubble is not doing anything to aokiji, does daewi have any other wincons?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Hmm. If there aren't any wincons I can switch Daewi with Ilypo.

 

[SemiRaedi]

From his profile I don't see a way for illypo to bypass Aokiji's logia regeneration

 

[PrinceofPein]

From his profile I don't see a way for illypo to bypass Aokiji's logia regeneration

He has power Nullification

 

[SemiRaedi]

Bruh mb lol, yeah you can put him up against Aokiji

 

[RazumaHiroki]

He has power Nullification

Power Nullification = / = Nullifying Elemental Intangibility

 

[SemiRaedi]

What will Aokiji's wincons be?

 

[SemiRaedi]

Power Nullification = / = Nullifying Elemental Intangibility

I thought the elemental intangibility was a part of Kuzan's power of turning into, generating and manipulating ice though