The most controversial debate is up here again... Goku vs. Supes.

[DTG499]

Wouldn't Toei goku be a better match up. What's his 4-B measurements?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Also @Calaca made a point that debunks all the votes in Supes favor lol.

I literally just said that his heat vision can dura neg. Its on the profile

 

[The_Calaca]

If Heat Vision has Dura Negation, it doesn't.

But at range projectiles are pretty meh if speed is equal.

 

[Omegas03]

Are these more effective than... Goku just beating him due to sheer AP advantage?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If Heat Vision has Dura Negation, it doesn't.
But at range projectiles are pretty meh if speed is equal.

Good thing he can use as AoE

 

[Iisdude1]

Dura neg by attack him on the molecular level, what does that even mean for a laser? It sounds just like it's attacking everywhere at once but not destroying his molecules

 

[Omegas03]

Wouldn't Toei goku be a better match up. What's his 4-B measurements?

Toei 4-B Goku one shots he's in hundreds MegaFoe range.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

All Goku has to do is Warp Kamehameha lol

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

All Goku has to do is Warp Kamehameha lol

...Goku doesnt even have a oneshot worthy AP

 

[Iisdude1]

I thought that megafoe Frieza feat couldn't be used for some reason

 

[Foxthefox1000]

This should've been banned.

 

[Omegas03]

...Goku doesnt even have a oneshot worthy AP

Depends on how you quantify Goku's AP, he can go from just easily overpowering as SSJ or SSJ3 to actually one shotting with just SSJ.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

...Goku doesnt even have a oneshot worthy AP

20k KiloFoe vs 400 isn't enough lol?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Supes FRA

 

[DTG499]

I'm confused as to the direction of this fight. Is it just who one shots first?

 

[Omegas03]

It's actually 2.5k vs 600 since Goku starts at Base and won't go further than SSJ unless he has a reason to.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Pretty sure Goku could just as easily try to snipe at Supes with his Stellar Range as well.

 

[NormalPerson87]

Supes FRA

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

It's actually 2.5k vs 600 since Goku starts at Base and won't go further than SSJ unless he has a reason to.

Wasn't it 390?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I'm confused as to the direction of this fight. Is it just who one shots first?

Seems like it lol

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Pretty sure Goku could just as easily try to snipe at Supes with his Stellar Range as well.

Yeah, but Supes has better aim for that

 

[Lightbuster30]

His heat visions is also extremely accurate and calculated when he doesnt use as AoE

That doesn't mean he'll go for planet level aoe heat vison off the bat.

 

[DTG499]

Why would goku let him get out of melee range?

 

[Omegas03]

@Uchiha

390 KiloFoe is the value for Marvel 4-Bs. Superman scales at almost 600 KiloFoe.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

His heat visions is also extremely accurate and calculated when he doesnt use as AoE

That doesn't mean he'll go for planet level aoe heat vison off the bat.

He doesnt need to destroy the planet itself with that

 

[Dragomer]

The whole 'planetary AOE !' argument is ridiculous, any random ki blast has that kind of AOE at will and Superman trying to fly into orbit is just asking to be killed since speed is equalized, leaving Goku free to pummel him with ki blast or CQC with IT while having an AP advantage

Even if we say Superman does his heat vision with planetary AOE from space, Goku can A : very easily teleport and B : just throw a focused Kamehameha, which given that the heat vision will have it's power dispersed over an entier planete while the Kamehameha is focused in a single point and Goku had the AP advantage to begin with, will casualy cut straight through the heat vision and either kill or heavily damage Superman.

 

[Omegas03]

Is that a vote for Goku?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

A) Teleport from where? Supes can pinpoint from wherever he is on Earth...literally. Also refer to the other points above about the heat vision

B) The heat visions has the same AP even while dispersed. He has heavy control of that anyways and can change the visions's structure with a thought

 

[DTG499]

I don't think supes would be able to land a heat vision shot before goku punches his head off. I vote goku via better fighting experience and analytical prediction.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Goku has universal range teleportation, he can literally go wherever he wants as long as he locks on to someone. King kai is the easiest option.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Is that a vote for Goku?

Pretty sure XSoulofCinderX voted Goku too.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I don't think supes would be able to land a heat vision shot before goku punches his head off. I vote goku via better fighting experience and analytical prediction.

Supes also knows martial arts and can pressure point Goku if needed be

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Goku has universal range teleportation, he can literally go wherever he wants as long as he locks on to someone. King kai is the easiest option.

Supes can detect and hear people anywhere in the galaxy while Goku cant accurately hit someone from that distance

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No amount of scaling will put a value of 1 to be on the level of 600. Superman has the AP advantage by miles.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Goku has universal range teleportation, he can literally go wherever he wants as long as he locks on to someone. King kai is the easiest option.

Supes can detect and hear people anywhere in the galaxy while Goku cant accurately hit someone from that distance

Would that be reliable with speed equalized? It paints a funny image in my mind to imagine speed equal lasers traveling across the Galaxy and then Goku just teleports behind him and hits him with a warp Kamehameha.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

you forgot my vote for supes

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Goku has universal range teleportation, he can literally go wherever he wants as long as he locks on to someone. King kai is the easiest option.

Supes can detect and hear people anywhere in the galaxy while Goku cant accurately hit someone from that distance

Would that be reliable with speed equalized? It paints a funny image in my mind to imagine speed equal lasers traveling across the Galaxy and then Goku just teleports behind him and hits him with a warp Kamehameha.

I mean, at that point Supes will likely be at outer space, and if Goku teleports there he dies. Not to mention that teleporting to other planets isnt in character for Goku

 

[Roachman40]

No amount of scaling will put a value of 1 to be on the level of 600. Superman has the AP advantage by miles.

yes

 

[LordUrien935]

Superman FRA.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Wouldn't Superman's Phasing help avoid taking a Kamehameha to the face?