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I'm pretty sure the neutron star was deemed uncalcable?
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The MCU changes. Edit: Looks like we need to finalize some stuff and we need to do more work on the calcs
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To be honest I'm still not sure what that guy is trying to say.The pen or the sword said:
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Was it, we recalced it with 600 000 k and not the full energy of the star and get city level?
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Hmm the High 6-C end feels more consistent
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I thought the whole point of the downgrades is that we don't know the actual temperature of the star and how much energy is in that beam?The pen or the sword said:
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It is we recalced it with less exuberent values, using the average tempertur of nuetron stars and assuming the beam didn't condense the full luminiosity and we got city level,
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While Striking Strength measures the energy of the characters physical attacks, Lifting Strength measures the amount of mass they can lift, which is determined by the amount of force a character can produce. This means they measure two different physical quantities.
Hence Lifting Strength and Striking Strength are in general not comparable and should be evaluated separately.
From the liftining strength page, not sure about us scaling his ap to lifting strenth.
Hence Lifting Strength and Striking Strength are in general not comparable and should be evaluated separately.
From the liftining strength page, not sure about us scaling his ap to lifting strenth.
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That sounds like a lot of assumptions and unknown factors. We don't know the temperature of the star and iirc the "recalc" still didn't take into account for the beam condensing the full luminosity or not.The pen or the sword said:
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Fair just saying I remembered us redoing it and getting diffrent values. The main problem with the original was the assumption it was the full force of the star and using a heat value neutron stars loose rather quickly after forming. (This star being over a few thousand years old just based on the hammer)
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Wait... the size of a small moon? That'd be a really small moon then, in the movie it's clearly the size of a few city blocks
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True the rings and star repeatedly change size in different scenes as well...
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Well by pixel scaling it gets even higher values thoLordNephalem said:
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So the tesseract calc seems questionable to me, the metorite scene is again questionable and should probably be redone with the impact of the metorites on the planet in mind (Rather then dealing with all the speed changing space stone mumbo jumbo), and the ring feat is a lifting strength feat of an object that changes sizes between scenes and gets a higher result then the extermely high balled old nuetron star feat....
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For the meteors, can't we just use the speed a meteorite needs to travel to catch fire?
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Again, we can get AP when we know the KE of a moving object.
I am asking DontTalkDT about the Tesseract calc.
I am asking DontTalkDT about the Tesseract calc.
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That's City level as ByAsura calculated.RanaProGamer said:
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I'm extremely tired now, I will continue tomorrow.
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Fair enough Ive just never seen it done that way, further the value is still higher then the old nuetron star feat, the one that was far higher then could be realistically expected of a star that age.Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
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Since we have the size of the meteor that hit Iron Man, and the fact that all the meteors were shown to be on fire, we can calculate how fast it was travelling.
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But don't meteors of different size catch fire at different speeds?Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
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I assume he used the biggest clearest one to get that value, or he used the calc of the meteorites size that spino did.....
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ByAsura simply used a standard speed for meteors if I'm correct.The pen or the sword said:
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I was reffereing to what he used for the size of the metorite, sorry Im still a bit exhausted.
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I don't know if this is still relevant or accurate, but Thanos destroying half of The Statesman was calced here to Large town level+ here-
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/Destruction_of_the_Statesma
Thor survived this explosion.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/Destruction_of_the_Statesma
Thor survived this explosion.
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So on the ring feat, I asked @superapm for his thoughts and he gave this which covers my thoughts on the calc ( He's only moving one ring an incredibly short distance within a decently long time period, all just to move the ice off of its generator. Once the ice is off the rings simply move by themselves) Due to this it seems like nothing more then a lifting strength feat, he's only capable of moving the rings a bit and Im very dubious that it should scale to his ap.
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On one hand I am annoyed I didn't get chance, on the other I don't have to make the crts....Lifes complicated..
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Let's just wait for newdingo to give his counter arguments tomorrow. Btw I agree with his and spinosaurus reasoning on the meteor calc
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Agree with what the metorites slow down across several scenes and the impacts they create are no where near mountain level...
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Even though that was merely done so the audience can see the meteors.....
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I believe there is no need for downgrade, Hulk should be upgraded based on those two feats:
Thanos is physically as strong as Hulk. Joe Russo: "I think ultimately, the way we looked at that fight and the way talked about it with our stunt team when we were executing it was Hulk is obviously very powerful, but he's a little mindless in his fighting style. It's aggressive, it's pummeling. Thanos is the Ghengis Kahn of the universe, he's a very skilled fighter, equally as strong. So, when you put those two up against each other, the more skilled fighter is going to win ultimately. Which is why Hulk has a moment where he overpowers Thanos, but ultimately Thanos is smart." - Collider Interview November 30, 2018
Directors confirmed Hulk = Thanos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3MTuLd4U2o
Hulk produced a shockwave and earthquake. it should be thousand oftons but it's never mentioned.
Thanos is physically as strong as Hulk. Joe Russo: "I think ultimately, the way we looked at that fight and the way talked about it with our stunt team when we were executing it was Hulk is obviously very powerful, but he's a little mindless in his fighting style. It's aggressive, it's pummeling. Thanos is the Ghengis Kahn of the universe, he's a very skilled fighter, equally as strong. So, when you put those two up against each other, the more skilled fighter is going to win ultimately. Which is why Hulk has a moment where he overpowers Thanos, but ultimately Thanos is smart." - Collider Interview November 30, 2018
Directors confirmed Hulk = Thanos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3MTuLd4U2o
Hulk produced a shockwave and earthquake. it should be thousand oftons but it's never mentioned.
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What earth quake feat? Also hulk denting a vibranuim wall isn't really quantifiable to my knowledge its a made up metal that does whatever the plot needs to further itself.
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Surviving Sokovia and Iron-Man repulsors and blasts. 200 petawatt by statements.Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
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Thor was knocked out by the sokovia exposion which was calced at him tanking town level energy iirc also hulk flew away before the explosion happenend. THor could only destroy the vibranuim after iron man created a heatseal that amplified his attack. We've had two threads discussing these things please read them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3MTuLd4U2oThe pen or the sword said:
Here hulk creates a shockwave and earthquake and made bulding move and knocked people away.
We can scale the vibranium alloy to normal vibranium. and apply the fact is deflects kinetic energy, it's a great feat imo.
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Yes i know but Vibranium shell and plant survived sokovia, they're avabile to see in spider-man homecoming.YeThe pen or the sword said:
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Allright how do you want to calc vibranuim then? How do we compare its alloyed form to its non alloyed form. how much kinetic energy can it take? We have no idea. Its good feat but as I understand it not a qauntifiable feat,
whats the timestamp for the earth quake feat.
whats the timestamp for the earth quake feat.
