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I mean we currently have three feats that support a bare minimum of Low 1-C so i dont see why 2-A is necessary
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The Long Awaited SCP Upgrade
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With this evidence, I would prefer a solid Low 1-C rating.
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Only two feats that apply to all of the god-tiers. The other one applies from SK/TBD up and was already only a "possibly", and I think might also be weaker evidence now, but I'd need to ask about that and don't think it's super relevant rn.
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Which one? Currently we have Ad Astra, 4555, and the multiple statements of the Yesod multiverse containing infinite multiverses backing Low 1-C
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Containing infinite multiverses does not back Low 1-C, only 2-A. It only "backs" it in the way that it "doesn't contradict/doesn't make an outlier".
The third feat I was thinking of was the noosphere being turned over during SK/TBD's fight, combined with the statement that some 5-dimensional information clusters existed in the noosphere.
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Ucountably infinite universes is Low 1-C and directly tated to be the numbr of multiverses contained within Yesod at least twice
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The noosphere feat wasnt evn part of this revision but okay, it would only scale to the top dogs anyways
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I know dude lmao. You said there were 3 feats supporting Low 1-C. You only listed 2 in this thread, so I guessed that the third was the noosphere one, since it's the only other one I know of.
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Can we get a citation for this? I don't recall Yesod having infinite multiverses, only a countless universes/multiverse statement.
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That's not Low 1-A, that's 1-B.
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Its already listed on the profiles and has been there sinc the last downgrade, as i acknowledge in the OP
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I see. Can you point me to a profile so I can check?
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Rim beat me to it but basically it was acceptd back in the old CRt that knocked the verse down to 2-A from 1-B but back then uncountably infinite multiverses being Low 1-C wasnt a thing. It is now but was already accepted to be part of the profiles back then so theres really no point in arguing for it to be added when its alrady there so i just brought up th fact that it is
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Ah my bad, I thought you were talking about the higher dimensions.
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Uncountably infinite multiverses has been 5-D for years lmfao.
I remember making a thread 3 years ago trying to downgrade most High 2-A's since they didn't have rigorous statements like that.
I have no clue what statement was accepted in the 1-B to 2-A downgrade that you're talking about.
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Youre killing me here man, so it was downgraded to 2-A using feats that viably would have upgraded it to flat Low 1-C and no one said anything...
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Uh...anybody?
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Ad astra stuff should scale through Second hythos multiverse, which is an extended canon version of Yesod Multiverse with Yaldabaoth heavily meant to be the embodiment of Voru or at least A powerful Vorutent in Voru capable of devouring Second Hythos Multiverse as we see in Sarkicism
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This leads to an important note: our universe is what keeps all other anchored. If ours falls to Voruteut invasion, so do the rest. Escape through Ways is not on option.
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The largest opening to the Voru is the Voreik. Deliberate attempts and simple random fluctuations in reality can create further holes, but these stay short lived. Tales of multiverse travelers moving down so many dimensions that they fall out of existence and into the Voru have been told, but the validity of these have been debated. It is the same case with claims of spotting worlds in the Voru beyond the Second Hytoth.
With these unknowns there is only one certainty: what lies out there cannot be allowed in."
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The Second Hytoth
Our multiverse. Our universe is the central "hub" for the Second Hytoth, from which all other universes and pocket dimensions and higher existential planes radiate in a fractallic web. To put it into views my fellow human readers will understand, the Second Hytoth is like an island, where our universe is the ground and all other worlds are the trees and grass stretching from it.This leads to an important note: our universe is what keeps all other anchored. If ours falls to Voruteut invasion, so do the rest. Escape through Ways is not on option.
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The Voru
If one compares the Second Hytoth to an island, then the Voru is the sea of unreality surrounding it. No order governs it. Things defying our understanding pop in and out of being, sometimes lasting long enough to give the illusion of structure. It is possible to briefly enter the Voru — originating in reality grants degrees of stability — but in long durations it is destined for failure. Destabilization will set in, in the best cases causing death or, worse, turning one into a Voruteut.The largest opening to the Voru is the Voreik. Deliberate attempts and simple random fluctuations in reality can create further holes, but these stay short lived. Tales of multiverse travelers moving down so many dimensions that they fall out of existence and into the Voru have been told, but the validity of these have been debated. It is the same case with claims of spotting worlds in the Voru beyond the Second Hytoth.
With these unknowns there is only one certainty: what lies out there cannot be allowed in."
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To my recollection, those feats just showed infinite timelines. You haven't posted any old accepted ones that would be higher.
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Please tell me where the Low 1-C statement is in any of this.Ad astra stuff should scale through Second hythos multiverse, which is an extended canon version of Yesod Multiverse with Yaldabaoth heavily meant to be the embodiment of Voru or at least A powerful Vorutent in Voru capable of devouring Second Hythos Multiverse as we see in Sarkicism
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The Second Hytoth
Our multiverse. Our universe is the central "hub" for the Second Hytoth, from which all other universes and pocket dimensions and higher existential planes radiate in a fractallic web. To put it into views my fellow human readers will understand, the Second Hytoth is like an island, where our universe is the ground and all other worlds are the trees and grass stretching from it.
This leads to an important note: our universe is what keeps all other anchored. If ours falls to Voruteut invasion, so do the rest. Escape through Ways is not on option.
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The Voru
If one compares the Second Hytoth to an island, then the Voru is the sea of unreality surrounding it. No order governs it. Things defying our understanding pop in and out of being, sometimes lasting long enough to give the illusion of structure. It is possible to briefly enter the Voru — originating in reality grants degrees of stability — but in long durations it is destined for failure. Destabilization will set in, in the best cases causing death or, worse, turning one into a Voruteut.
The largest opening to the Voru is the Voreik. Deliberate attempts and simple random fluctuations in reality can create further holes, but these stay short lived. Tales of multiverse travelers moving down so many dimensions that they fall out of existence and into the Voru have been told, but the validity of these have been debated. It is the same case with claims of spotting worlds in the Voru beyond the Second Hytoth.
With these unknowns there is only one certainty: what lies out there cannot be allowed in."
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Not sure what you mean? But in Second Hythos' descriptions there are things like the Platonic Concepts layers in First Multiverse that Spiral destroyed them, Beings representations/embodiment of numbers and concepts like SCP-033, Zero-infinities (Navoltic well aware of the concepts of transfinite, he wrote SCP-3380
) that exists in themAlso, is Acidverse canon with his works on Ad astra and second hythoth (not the opposite) supporting anything? i will try to recheck anything else if possible
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Nothing you mentioned in this comment is tierable in any way. We don't give high tiers for "platonic concepts" or "embodying numbers" or "zero-infinities".Not sure what you mean? But in Second Hythos' descriptions there are things like the Platonic Concepts layers in First Multiverse that Spiral destroyed them, Beings representations/embodiment of numbers and concepts like SCP-033, Zero-infinities (Navoltic well aware of the concepts of transfinite, he wrote SCP-3380
Also, is Acidverse canon with his works on Ad astra and second hythoth (not the opposite) supporting anything? i will try to recheck anything else if possible
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You can't just hit me with the "Platonic Concepts" and not elaborate further.
I have not read Ad Astra, and I'm not about to read all of it just to confirm your notion if you aren't even going to cite your sources.
Actually explain what it is you're trying to push please, preferably on a new thread because this thread is for 1-C tiering.
I have not read Ad Astra, and I'm not about to read all of it just to confirm your notion if you aren't even going to cite your sources.
Actually explain what it is you're trying to push please, preferably on a new thread because this thread is for 1-C tiering.
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Also the Yesod Multiverse concept is basically pretty wrong. Tree of Knowledge in Verse of Endless song (Chapter 1 verse, When we came home, Dust and Blood, ...) has always been considered a single BIG Multiverse and literally a Tree, describing Yesod Multiverse as one of the many multiverses from Dr chandla's works is an extended canon version that conflicts with Verse of endless song the most I have ever known, in addition Dr chandla states the reason Yesod is not literally a tree due The essence of the Multiverse is 10-11D according to M theory, beyond imagination (a bit like 6D of DC
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I only gave the most useful information possible, not sure what tier they would be. In fact, my argument is against upgrades due to absolutely nothing that they refer to canones with Yesod multiverse and Higher dimensions separate from the Multiverse by the original Author, but if they come from Aleph0 Existenial Planes I agree
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1. Stop making comparisons to other verses as though they validate this.Also the Yesod Multiverse concept is basically pretty wrong. Tree of Knowledge in Verse of Endless song (Chapter 1 verse, When we came home, Dust and Blood, ...) has always been considered a single BIG Multiverse and literally a Tree, describing Yesod Multiverse as one of the many multiverses from Dr chandla's works is an extended canon version that conflicts with Verse of endless song the most I have ever known, in addition Dr chandla states the reason Yesod is not literally a tree due The essence of the Multiverse is 10-11D according to M theory, beyond imagination (a bit like 6D of DC
2. This is still 2-A.
3. Mentioning higher dimensions means nothing for tiers.
4. Is this even relevant to this CRT?
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What's the difference between uncountably infinite and countably infinite universes?
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Countably infinite universes are as many universes as there are natural numbers i.e. you could count them in an infinite number of time.
Uncountably infinite universes are as many universes as there are real numbers i.e. you couldn't count them even in an infinite amount of time.
And can someone actually post the scan of uncountably infinite universes?
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Yeah, In Orginal canon Verse of Endless Song, Yesod is just The Roots/Foundametal of Tree of Knowledge but in So they call him Drake it mentioned It is Tree (metaphor or not)
"He began to pull down various antique maps until he found the one he wanted. It was a map of the ‘Yesod’ multiverse, one of many such multiverses, depicted as a tree. It had twenty-one main boughs, representing the known hubs, each with dozens, if not hundreds, of branches. The ‘floater’ universes were depicted as stray leaves. The roots of the Cosmic Tree reached down into the Darkness Below (which Iris knew was not the same as the Darkness Between Dimensions, but still wished they had more distinct names) where they were attacked by the imprisoned Scarlet King. The tree was simultaneously threatened by Yaldabaoth from the Heavens, though He was contained in Mekhane’s silver web."
1/ Please, I just compare the similarities, not mean to change tier in any way
3 / See 1 / and I never said it was H1C? What just happened to you?
4 / If the thread is about Yesod Multiverse, yes
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Can you explain this please?
Are you trying to equate 2 verses as 1?The essence of the Multiverse is 10-11D according to M theory, beyond imagination (a bit like 6D of DC
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