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The King of Heroes vs A Loser in Highschool

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Base Gilgamesh vs Kumagawa Misogi

I see. If I want anyone to comment on my vs threads, I need to use only popular characters.

So Gilgamesh has already lost to Medaka while "Full Powered", so let's see if he can over come someone with a little less Hax. If this a horrible mistake, then I am sorry.

Speed Equalized.
 
I see Gil killing Kumagawa from the start, however, Kumagawa will just all fiction his death away and come back to either Bookmaker or All-Fiction Gil.
 
This should be a great match then. Hm... Gil would definitely look down on Kumagawa (rightfully so lol) so Ea is out of the picture.

This probably is going to depend on what they would start with. So I'll write out what's in character for them at the start of matches. To establish 1 thing set in stone. Kumagawa usually does not dodge the first attack, at least not without intel on his enemy

Gilgamesh:

1) Talk, then go to Sword Spam following that

2) Go for sword spam right off the batt

Kumagawa:

1) Talk to Gil and wait for him to toss the first blow. Then delete his injuries (along with Gil's Weapons) and counter attack with blitz to screw spawn or just Screw Spawn.

2) Kumagawa skips the chatter and goes straight for Blitz to Screw Spawn.

Now here comes the next question. Can Gil survive screw spawn? Without the use of defensive NP, probably not. So, I would say this is more on what Noble Phantasm Gil tries to pull out then what Kumagawa will do. Just from the openning, Kumagawa will win 3/4 times. Now if they both have intel, that would shake things up quite a bit

Kumagawa won't outright erase Gil, its more likely he will attempt to erase the gate or the treasury. If AF and Screw Spawn Fail to bypass Gil's defensive hax (which they very well might. Gil has some stronk defensive hax), then Kumagawa goes for Book Maker and wins. I don't think Gil has anything to stop Booker Maker, since its already on like 4 levels of bypassing sealing 'immunity'
 
The fact of the matter is, even if Gil does kill Kumagawa, he can still All-Fiction his way back to life.
 
Yeah the only way he would take him down, is of he used Existence Erasure, which Gil Won't. Because Kumagawa is such a wretch lol. Maybe there is a chance he would try to pull out a different Noble Phantasm that has existence erasure other than Ea. But that seems out of character and unlikely
 
Question is, does Gil even have an existence erasing NP?

If he does, then it's fair. I give it to Kumagawa via All-Fiction and Gil's overconfidence.
 
Well... He does. The better question is if he would use it. like he should have some level of Access to Pilgrimage of the 500 Arhat, but he probably can't utilize it to the fullest extent
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Anyway, you counting votes?
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Well, only you and Sir Ovens have posted, and you both seem to be in favor of Kumagawa so,

Kumagawa - 2

Gilgamesh - 0

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
yeah, but Kumagawa has to activate it. Existence erasure can put him down, so long as it is instantaneous
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What no? All Fiction works passivly in case of physical death. It even says it in 1 of the side stories for Kumagawa "it's not that u don't die, it's more like u can't die". He can't die even if he wants to, all fiction will passivly in any case. For more proof just remember the time he was revived by all fiction even though he "didn't have it" when fighting Munakata. He couldn't have activated what he didn't have.
 
Being erased and dying are 2 different things. One is being sent to the classroom and the other is completely going bye bye.
 
Sir Ovens said:
Being erased and dying are 2 different things. One is being sent to the classroom and the other is completely going bye bye.
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They are the same thing in this case, because at their core they are still the same, everything is gone bye bye, except for All Fiction which works passivly if anything happens to the physical body. No matter what u do to the physical body, as long as All Fiction remains Kumagawa will come back.
 
When kumagawa dies, he is sent to the classroom, if he is erased from existence, he is gone for good. As in never existed in the first place. All-Fiction can't save you from being erased, because you're not turning your death to nothing, you're turning nothing into nothing. There is literally nothing there to undo in the first place.
 
Not turning nothing into nothing, turing the action that turned him nothing into nothing. Kumagawa has never existed sure, but All Fiction can't be made so that "it never existed". And since something was done to the physical body All Fiction just undoes the action that erased him, bringing him back. It doesn't matter where u go (also the classroom is more of a "dream" not an actual place). All fiction can undo actions for as long as it's intact, we know that much, and since All Fiction will be intact after Kumagawa gets erased it can/will undo the action.
 
Dude. All FIction isn't automatic. Sure, it may still exist, but there is no one to use it. If Kumagawa doesn't have a soul or mind to activate it, then its useless. If Kumagawa has no will, then he cannot bring himself back
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Dude. All FIction isn't automatic. Sure, it may still exist, but there is no one to use it. If Kumagawa doesn't have a soul or mind to activate it, then its useless. If Kumagawa has no will, then he cannot bring himself back
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Uhm..http://a.fanfox.net/store/manga/585...95747a5968c72899651e70919ee9cd&ttl=1523642400

He literally got up after not even knowing he had all fiction, how would he have activated All Fiction in this case? He literally got it after he died.

And here is Ajimu saying "it's not that he doesn't die, but can't die". Meaning even if he doesn't want All Fiction to activate, All Fiction WILL activate automatically.

http://a.fanfox.net/store/manga/585...59d9c8b59be97cf97700d1b9db3bdf&ttl=1523642400

There is also the one on the side story where he would be killed endlessly by the mind controlled peeps and Kumagawa called it "All Fiction's weakness".
 
Thats... actually a damn good point. You should make a content revision post about it. I have more context scans for the first incident, if you would like them.

That's a good point, tho he can obviously hold off the revival if he wants.

Yeah that's on his profile already
 
Huh. That would mean that Gil would have to go for an incap on this one. Doubt he would though. Also, I agree with the above, make a content revision thread. Notify me too please!
 
Sir Ovens said:
Huh. That would mean that Gil would have to go for an incap on this one. Doubt he would though.
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Well Enkidu, but Kumagawa could just erase Enkidu.

It's sounds like you'd need Conceptual Erasure or something like that to beat Kumagawa now. Am I hearing that correctly?
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Perhaps, but now comes the question: Can Conceptual Negation via Erasure undo Conceptual Erasure?
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Well it's just the same as undoing an action. He can just undo something by erasing it's cause. So "oh my physical body was erased? Lemme just erase the action that did that".

Abnormalities in Medaka Box can negate abilities that are similar to theirs. Remember how Kumagawa got out of the Sealing Style cus Bookmaker was also a "sealing" ability? Same for Ajimu she doesn't have styles so she probs got out the same way.

I don't rly see Kumagawa unable to come back from existence erasure . Imma vote Kumagawa on this thread due to Bookmaker.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Thats... actually a damn good point. You should make a content revision post about it. I have more context scans for the first incident, if you would like them.
That's a good point, tho he can obviously hold off the revival if he wants.

Yeah that's on his profile already
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Aghhh, I'm fairly new here what do i do exactly? xD I'll gladly do once i understand what i should do and how i should do it. Hehe!

Also I'm not so sure about him "holding off" his revival since he doesn't have a mind and stuff but i'll try to dig into that too.
 
Go to Kumagawa's profile. Scroll down to the discussions section. Create a new discussion, under the content revisions board. Make the case for why Kumagawa's All Fiction resurrection is automatic. Provide the scans and arguments you just did. You can also explain why this would mean he can come back from existence erasure

He did hold off of bringing himself back when he went to get Book Maker from Ajimu
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Well it's just the same as undoing an action. He can just undo something by erasing it's cause. So "oh my physical body was erased? Lemme just erase the action that did that".

Abnormalities in Medaka Box can negate abilities that are similar to theirs. Remember how Kumagawa got out of the Sealing Style cus Bookmaker was also a "sealing" ability? Same for Ajimu she doesn't have styles so she probs got out the same way.

I don't rly see Kumagawa unable to come back from existence erasure . Imma vote Kumagawa on this thread due to Bookmaker.
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Perhaps, but Ea essentally makes it so Kumagawa never existed. So it wouldn't work that same way. Not all existence erasure is created equal. Also, some kinds of existence erasure would make it so there is nothing to restore. If there is no concept of Kumagawa anymore, then even undoing the action would not bring him back

This I disagree with. Styles are not abnormailities, in fact they are superior. Styles are essentially weaponised Writing Styles, and not comparable. They can seal the unsealable, damage the udamagable, heal the unhealable, etc. Its not explained how Kumagawa or Ajimu broke out of that particular style, so I wouldn't assume off of something like that.

this last part is fine tho
 
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