The King of Curses has a bad time

[Lloydblitzed]

Show proof that his insticts would detect a layered invisible spatial slash. That's all I ask.

Invisible ≠ Cannot be sensed. And Sans is clearly capable of sensing attack without having to see them

Sans dodges 24 attacks before getting tired. Those attacks are a single simple slash. Sukuna can fire out a metric shit-ton of slashes every second via Dismantle. Even if we want to assume Sans can dodge Sukuna's danmaku slashes (When his best feat is dodging a single knife slash per turn, and IA is only assumed to work on a scale it's been shown too), he would become exhausted within the first few seconds of the match and then be killed after.

After being exhausted and falling asleep, he was still capable of dodging blows tho

Can repeatedly dodge attacks from Chara, but after a while, he showed various signs of tiring, such as sweating, heavier breathing, and eventually beginning to fall asleep.[1]. Despite this, Sans was still able to dodge an attack after growing fully exhausted

Sukuna spamming Dismantle on Yuji.

Sukuna literally slashing Geto's daughter into hundreds of tiny meat cubes

I mean look how he uses that shit in the anime. He can fire it off like a minigun. Sans isn't dodging all of that, and even if he does, he becomes tired after dodging 24 of them and then is immediately struck and killed.

What is Sukuna doing against this?

• Likely Time Stop (As shown here,[2] which matches aesthetically several instances[1] where Sans seemingly teleports. Papyrus also confirms Sans to have both space and time-related abilities from personal experience[4])

I'd also like to point out his attacks are intangible

• Intangible Attacks

He can start dodging while replying with his own Danmaku and burn Sukuna to death

• Danmaku, Fire Manipulation and Temperature Manipulation: All of the Boss Monsters can use fireballs as bullets for the pattern of their attacks, while also being able to control its temperature. The temperature of these attacks is also high enough to harm Frisk, despite them being unfazed from an overheat explosion from a MTT brand oven, which can reach temperatures of 9000 °F.

And what the hell is Sukuna doing against this!?

• Durability Negation and Status Effect Inducement (Sans is able to inflict KARMA with each attack, a type of poison effect which whittles the opponents HP down overtime.[1] KARMA is heavily implied to affect even Flowey despite lacking a SOUL[3])

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Also doesn't Sukuna resist Soul Hax?

Sans can dura neg people lacking even a soul

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

What is Sukuna doing against this?

He does not use time stop in combat. Its a gag hability

I'd also like to point out his attacks are intangible

Sukuna does have nonphysical interaction, yes

He can start dodging while replying with his own Danmaku and burn Sukuna to death

Sans does not use any kind of heart or fire attack in-character, and Sukuna can tank this:

And what the hell is Sukuna doing against this!?

Yeah, plot hole that we interpret as hax, not useful at all. Plus:

Split Soul Katana, which is a sword capable to ignore any substance to hit the soul, can be blocked by Sukuna with chainsawlike slashes. Don't see how he couldn't do that against Sans by using his own Danmaku over Sans's

Also, Sukuna has a bunch of soulless shikigamis that can just stand in front of him and block everything lol

 

[Fezzih_007]

Something along the lines of “let’s just drop this I feel good in you” etc. etc.

Yeah, Its not gonna work on Sukuna.

We’re not writing a fanfic here, so it’s not really important what exactly he would say

Is definitely important what he would say, Sans can't just say like anything here to convice Sukuna, like "hey, les't stop fighting and get some food, i paying" or "zamn, i forgot to pick the groceries, can you give up the fight?" It would be hilarious If Works, but that type of argument not gonna work on Sukuna.

the reason why SI would work is due to it working even on such unreasonable and bad people like Genocide Frisk

Genocide Frisk is not really that unreasonable, not as much as Sukuna atleast.

I don’t really understand still why Sans’ IA just doesn’t counter Dismantle ngl

When you speed read what I say, no doubts you don't understand. Even If he could Dodge, his stamina gonna destroy any chances of him doing for long before dying. Dismantle is also Danmaku.

The main argument from my side is basically IA + SI/Danmaku & Soul hax

Oh, you trolling me. I understand now. I actually took the bait too lol.
Oh well

 

[Shmooply]

Five pages in and I still don't see any arguments against "Dismantle GG"
Voting Sukuna.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Sukuna does have nonphysical interaction, yes

I scroll throught the profile, and I can't find it

Sans does not use any kind of heart or fire attack in-character,

Its explicitly stated ALL of his attacks have KARMA + its in-character and listed in his standard attacks

• KARMA: Whatever is struck by one of Sans's attacks will suffer from this condition, for a brief period. It essentially functions as poison damage for one's SOUL. KARMA cannot exceed 40 and also cannot cause the protagonist's HP to fall below one, with the more KARMA damage is built up, the faster it drains.

and Sukuna can tank this:

Unless u can quantify how much degrees is that, the feat does not help you

Can't Sans simply use Gravity Manip and throw Sukuna around as well? Its listed as his in-char abilities

• SOUL Manipulation: Blue Mode: Similar to his brother, Sans turns his opponent's SOUL blue, giving it "gravity" and allowing him to more easily hit his foes. However, Sans appears to have a far greater mastery of this ability than Papyrus, allowing him to effortlessly fling his foe around by manipulating their SOUL, or effectively "changing gravity" and forcing them to move along the walls or ceiling.

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

After being exhausted and falling asleep, he was still capable of dodging blows tho

He was only able to dodge 1 simple knife slash, before being hit once the player swung a second time. He definitely isn't dodging Dismantle after being tired.

Durability Negation and Status Effect Inducement (Sans is able to inflict KARMA with each attack, a type of poison effect which whittles the opponents HP down overtime.[1] KARMA is heavily implied to affect even Flowey despite lacking a SOUL[3])

RCT or having Mahoraga block for him.

He can start dodging while replying with his own Danmaku and burn Sukuna to death

Sukuna has dealt with Heat attacks before. And again, he can have a Shikigami block for him.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I scroll throught the profile, and I can't find it

Sorcerer physiology

Unless u can quantify how much degrees is that, the feat does not help you

Is capable to vaporize steel, which by One Piece fans words, its above 27000 degrees celcius

Can't Sans simply use Gravity Manip and throw Sukuna around as well? Its listed as his in-char abilities

He can jump midair and has superior LS

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He was only able to dodge 1 simple knife slash. before being hit once the player swung a second time. He definitely isn't dodging Dismantle after being tired.

Durability Negation and Status Effect Inducement (Sans is able to inflict KARMA with each attack, a type of poison effect which whittles the opponents HP down overtime.[1] KARMA is heavily implied to affect even Flowey despite lacking a SOUL[3])

RCT or having Mahoraga block for him.

Does Sukuna's NIP scale as high as this? Else Sans is bypassing a lot of stuff

• Non-Physical Interaction: Monsters' magic is showcased to be able to actually harm Mad Dummy, who couldn't be damaged from Frisk because of their true body being incorporeal, thus immune to their attacks due to humans lacking magic on their own.

Sukuna has dealt with Heat attacks before.

Again, if u can't quantify it, don't use it as an argument against a guy with 4982 Degrees heat manip

 

[AThe1412]

Can both sides slow down for a bit and read each other's arguments to form more concrete responses? Right now, some of you aren't giving the opposition time to refute your points or ignoring their points completely.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Five pages in and I still don't see any arguments against "Dismantle GG"
Voting Sukuna.

Counted

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Can both sides slow down for a bit and read each other's arguments to form more concrete responses? Right now, some of you aren't giving the opposition time to refute your points or ignoring their points completely.

This

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

Does Sukuna's NIP scale as high as this? Else Sans is bypassing a lot of stuff

Yes. Cursed spirits are incorporeal and have Abstract existence Type 2. And unless you want to argue Mad Dummy is more incorporeal than abstract thoughts and negative emotions

Again, if u can't quantify it, don't use it as an argument against a guy with 4982 Degrees heat manipulation

It is at minimum 27000 degrees.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yes. Cursed spirits are incorporeal and have Abstract existence.

Aight

And about Dismantale, Sans is def teleporting out of its range, which is in char for him to do. And what stop him from teleporting those attacks towards Sukuna himself?

• Teleportation: While Sans is unable to reset the universe in the manner of someone such as Frisk or Flowey, he has shown to have a useful form of teleportation, allowing him to teleport not only himself but objects and other people, as well. During battle, Sans will often teleport his opponent, himself, and his attacks, not only moving out of harm's way but moving his foe into the path of a new attack. He has also shown the ability to restrain an enemy by repeatedly warping them back to their initial position.

It is at minimum 27000 degrees.

Source? Cuz what I searched so far shows far lower results

 

[Tomfer]

Right now, some of you aren't giving the opposition time to refute your points or ignoring their points completely.

The battle of those who don't read the manga vs those who can't read at all.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The battle of those who don't read the manga vs those who can't read at all.

-Guy who assume invisible attacks can't be sensed by people who sense attacks while sleeping btw

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

The battle of those who don't read the manga vs those who can't read at all.

 

[AThe1412]

The battle of those who don't read the manga vs those who can't read at all.

Reading comprehension is the most twisted curse of all.

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

And about Dismantale, Sans is def teleporting out of its range, which is in char for him to do.

No, atleast not when the the fight first begins. He starts with just regularly dodges, and only begins teleporting once he gets really tired.

And Sukuna could still catch him off guard by firing multiple slashes with a thought. He could also fly away out of Sans range.

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Sans doesn't use Fire Manipulation, so I feel no need to argue against the Second point.

 

[Fezzih_007]

The battle of those who don't read the manga vs those who can't read at all.

"Looks like you got the wrong idea here, so lemme tell ya. You're the Challenger here"

 

[Shmooply]

-Guy who assume invisible attacks can't be sensed by people who sense attacks while sleeping btw

I do not understand why are we assuming that Sans' instincts can react to a very spammable attack that are longer than his body that he can't even perceive.

 

[Tomfer]

-Guy who assume invisible attacks can't be sensed by people who sense attacks while sleeping btw

Funny how everyone took it as joke, except you. You're sad.

 

[Shmooply]

Funny how everyone took it as joke, except you. You're sad.

Let's not go there.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Funny how everyone took it as joke, except you. You're sad.

I do not understand why are we assuming that Sans' instincts can react to a very spammable attack that are longer than his body that he can't even perceive.

1) Ah yes, his instincts will wear off bc there more than a single blast shot

2) Can't view an attack ≠ Can't sense an attack (I've already explained why he doesn't need to see the attack to dodge)

3) Please read Sans in-char moves:

• Teleportation: While Sans is unable to reset the universe in the manner of someone such as Frisk or Flowey, he has shown to have a useful form of teleportation, allowing him to teleport not only himself but objects and other people, as well. During battle, Sans will often teleport his opponent, himself, and his attacks, not only moving out of harm's way but moving his foe into the path of a new attack. He has also shown the ability to restrain an enemy by repeatedly warping them back to their initial position.

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

I feel like Sukuna could just use his Shikigami as Living Shields and distractions, while spamming Sans with Slashes from afar.

Sans can only dodge so much before getting tired, and once he gets tired its over. And there are still a whole bunch BTW. Sans struggled trying to dodge 1 knife.

And Sukuna could just use Malevolent Shrine, which Sans can't dodge and will have a limited amount of time to react to.


The only thing Sans has going for him really is his dura neg, which Sukuna could counter by healing or using Shikigami to block.

 

[Tomfer]

Let's not go there.

It's not his first time, hence my passive-aggressiveness. But you're right, I shouldn't. I'll drop it.

1) Ah yes, his instincts will wear off bc there more than a single blast shot

2) Can't view an attack ≠ Can't sense an attack (I've already explained why he doesn't need to see the attack to dodge)

3) Please read Sans in-char moves:

Even if we accept this wanked IA, you'll need to prove that Sans would be able to dodge Sukuna's spammable cuts, which is far more than a mere knife slash.

 

[Shmooply]

1) Ah yes, his instincts will wear off bc there more than a single blast shot

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying he would be overwhelmed by the amount of attacks coming at him instantly. We've only seen him be able to dodge at least four attacks at once, and they aren't comparable to what Dismantle can do.

2) Can't view an attack ≠ Can't sense an attack (I've already explained why he doesn't need to see the attack to dodge)

Okay, but have his instincts ever been able to detect something like cursed energy? How's he supposed to react to multiple slashes coming at him that are all aiming at different parts of his body?

3) Please read Sans in-char moves:

Teleportation wouldn't stop Sukuna from spamming Dismantle, and wouldn't that just drain Sans of his stamina as well?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Even if we accept this wanked IA, you'll need to prove that Sans would be able to dodge Sukuna's spammable cuts, which is far more than a mere knife slash.

Why the hell is teleportation being ignored again?

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

Why the hell is teleportation being ignored again?

Its not. But Sukuna could still Dismantle while being teleported around, since its Thought based

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I feel like another argument in favor of Sukuna just wearing down sans is he also has the ten shadows technique, so Mahoraga and his other beasts might help him in this situation

 

[Catbowtie]

Is there anything Sans can do to win?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying he would be overwhelmed by the amount of attacks coming at him instantly. We've only seen him be able to dodge at least four attacks at once, and they aren't comparable to what Dismantle can do.

Okay, but have his instincts ever been able to detect something like cursed energy? How's he supposed to react to multiple slashes coming at him that are all aiming at different parts of his body?

What happened to Verse Equilization? Also, Im arguing Sans teleports out of harm's range, not that he teleports Sukuna himself away.

Teleportation wouldn't stop Sukuna from spamming Dismantle, and wouldn't that just drain Sans of his stamina as well?

When was Sans shown to be drained by teleportation?

Is there anything Sans can do to win?

If its truly a stomp, match can't even be added to begin with

 

[Catbowtie]

If its truly a stomp, match can't even be added to begin with

Yea I'm going to have to agree here. Sukuna can heal Soul Damage, literally Sans' one and only win condition. There is literally nothing he can do.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying he would be overwhelmed by the amount of attacks coming at him instantly. We've only seen him be able to dodge at least four attacks at once, and they aren't comparable to what Dismantle can do.

He was able to teleport 6 times a row, and still dodge a blow afterwards, all of this while already being tired. He also has sum Danmaku that can surround Sukuna, but aight

Yea I'm going to have to agree here. Sukuna can heal Soul Damage, literally Sans' one and only win condition. There is literally nothing he can do.

I forgot about that

 

[ShionAH]

Time Stop is NOT a gag ability lmao. He spams it in the battle.

How does this dismantle work?

 

[Catbowtie]

Sans already got FRA Train'd it's futile (Half joking)

How does this dismantle work?

Energy Projection & Enhanced Invisibility (Sukuna can send slashes, invisible to even sorcerers and cursed spirits, flying at his opponent via Dismantle[9])

 

[ShionAH]

So sans just dodges? Lol

 

[Catbowtie]

The general arguments were that Sukuna essentially just outlasts Sans until Mahoraga adapts or he one-shots with Dismantle (if I remembered correctly)

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

P much

 

[ShionAH]

Doesnt Karma just kick their asses though? It completely corrupts and poisons your spirit and body while also making you feel mind warping poison throughout your mental existence