...I was gonna point out that the enemies drop red orbs, which Kratos gathers, but upon double checking, I realized that his health bar doesn't increase (and red orbs in GoW don't heal Kratos, anyways). You're right that the scan provided showcases no absorption of any kind. So uh, where exactly is life/magic absorption coming from?? Is it just the one scene from GoW 3?
I'm unsure - I thought I had a good idea of how long it'd be as of last thread, but since then I've stumbled across even more things in need of downgrading, so I'm not really sure how many more threads I'll need to tackle that. It never ceases to baffle me just how bad things have gotten.
I was pinged prior. I am following the thread and will get to it if no one else will. Got a lot else I'm involved in so I consider this low priority.
Firestorm already gave their input, btw, so it's not necessary to ping them again.
Understandable, I'm in no rush given some recent developments.
Is Kratos usually immune to the effects of the Styx, or just not as affected? If the lightning did render him no longer immune, then I think it's fine to count it as Resistance Negation on a very limited basis. Evidence doesn't make this 100% clear so I'll wait to hear back on that point.
Yeah, no notes.
There's not shitloads of context here. I don't gather the "overwhelming Heimdall's senses" bit from this alone. But, the latter half of your argument rings true enough: if Kratos needed a weapon specifically designed to counter specifically Heimdall, then it wouldn't make sense for him to be immune to that on his own. I'm leaning neutral here but I'll agree for now.
Kratos is currently accepted as resisting the effects of the Styx, based on this scene where Charon tosses him off a cliff, there's a cut to Kratos chained to a wall, and then another cut to Kratos back on the boat with Charon. That aside, there's the logical issue of how, if Kratos did legitimately have his resistance to the Styx negated, he would die the moment he fell into it, because the river kills whatever is in it.
From this video, I think the context seems somewhat clear:
not solid but will work in a pinch if nobody else will reply. Give it a couple days at least, if nobody else shows then it will suffice.
If it was as you say, Kratos could have easily hit Heimdall from the beginning of the battle because he was using the spear from the beginning, but it still took him time to hit him. From this perspective, saying that Kratos adapted and resisted over time and that's why he was able to hit Heimdall makes more sense than saying that Kratos was able to hit Heimdall because he was confused by the weapon (especially given the abilities and emotes)
No, this is directly contradicted by the game. You have to use the spear to build up Heimdall's stun meter before you're able to land a hit on him.
If what you say were true, all his attacks with the spear at the beginning of the battle should have reached Heimdall. , but he was literally dodging almost all the attacks, including the cutscenes in the game.
No, because the spear is progressively overloading his senses. It doesn't work instantly.
Yes, because by that point the spear had successfully overloaded his senses.
Yes, because that is what the story tells us and that is what the central gameplay mechanic of his fight is. You throw the spear, the spear builds up a red stun meter, and when the meter is full you can beat up Heimdall (because of the spear). Are we talking about the same version of Ragnarok here, or is there some special version where none of these things happen?
The red stun bars were basically filling up multiple times, and Heimdall could still dodge our attacks when we attacked after the bar was full (in cutscenes in the game). So, if it was just because of the “spear”, Kratos basically couldn't hit him with bare hands because in the cutscene where Kratos first hits him, he doesn't have any equipment.
So you're right about one thing, Kratos did indeed bruteforce Heimdall to death after whittling him down with the spear-- even before Heimdall ate a ground sandwich, he clearly bloodied and out of juice after getting the norse equivalent of a flashbang many times over. You can easily chalk this up to cinematics-- if not exhaustion after having his ability countered.
This is just game mechanics and the context to the first punch against Heimdall was to show to us, the player, that the spear's stun mechanic is working against Heimdall.
That is because he clearly can dismiss the spear into thin air or the spear is elsewhere so him doesn’t have any equipment in his hands is ultimately irrelevant. If memories served, the spear can been requip at anytime although that is just game mechanics, but narratively speaking, he probably have no use for the spear since it done the job. However, guess what, he literally blow up Heimdall’s arm off later on with the spear during the fight. You can literally see this at 6:41 for this video.
Dude, this is the exact same thing that's been explained multiple times. The spear cumulatively overloads Heimdall's senses. There's no reason for us to think the spear must work perfectly immediately (it's cumulative) and the point of using the spear is to overload his senses, it's never meant to be the only way you can cause damage.
