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my incon vote stays 
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The Fate of the World (Neo Metal Sonic vs Yhwach) [13-8-1]
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I'll add my vote for Yhwach so that it doesn't go into grace, plus I kind of feel like Soul Crush GG- based on what I learned from the Yhwach vs Gunvolt thread, is pretty broke with it's powernull and stuff like that
still salty about that, all I needed was the right type of conceptual resist and we would've gotten an epic inconclusive
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Metal Sonic doesn't have a soul
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neo sonic fra
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o i thought Bleach would just say "lmao it works anyways" or smth like that tbh mb
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I just woke up, so it'll take me some time responding to the counter arguments above. But thanks to everyone who retracted their votes until more pro-Yhwach arguments are created, i really do appreciate it. Same with the people who voted for Yhwach as well.
When is the goon squad when you need them smh.
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has this situation happened before?
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It's Yhwach bro it's just one of those people I associate that kind of argument with
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huh, weird lol
Hellscream
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no clue why my vote hasn't been counted but alright
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wait you voted?
Hellscream
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I voted for yhwach ages ago due to his 4-D absorption, and the fact that he can alter his own fate
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Grace is a 24 hour period. If there's still more votes to one side after we heard arguments for both sides then you can't extend grace any longer than that, otherwise it makes it seems like you're biased toward one side over the other
Grace period exists exactly for the reason to allow more voters to come in and vote during that period
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btw there is 10 for neo, not 9
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Eh, I thought I'll give Bleach supporters a fair chance.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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They got to make their arguments didn't they? If people still doesn't vote for them then maybe they believe Metal should still win this, or for whatever other reasoning, so Grace should end 24 hours after the bleach supporters made their arguments, which is fair since we did waited for them to give more arguments
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I don’t mean to be an ass, but it seems like you’re trying to rush (haha get cuz sonic) adding it onto the page- an Yhwach guy has to go to a bloody funeral, give some time bruh. Yhwach is a big deal anyways, the truth of a debate shouldn’t be rushed
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Alright. Didn't saw he was in a funeral. I suppose waiting another day wouldn't hurt
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He’s really not. Grace starts automatically once a character has 3 or more votes than another. That being said, if another the other closes the gap then the Grace stops. It’s up to the op if he wants to add it or wait for more arguments. Since Laser isn’t even a Bleach fan there should be plenty of others who can argue for Yhwach.
And btw, I think this is a stomp for Yhwach and this match should have been closed. But I just wanted to put that out there because him asking if it can be added isn’t rushing.
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I seriously want to know.... What makes yhwach stomp here if Almighty and Soul Crush don't work and he doesn't have Sternritter stuff?
I haven't seen a single argument for Yhwach that even works unless you just don't care about what's on their profiles, and argue Almighty still works.
Hellscream
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Almighty doesn't work on sonic, but it works on himself just because a character has acausality type 4 doesn't mean the almighty doesn't work at all.
Yhwach can still easily absorb him like was said
Yhwach can still easily absorb him like was said
Hellscream
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Nah pretty much no one is here, only me and deceived
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no it doesn't, for him to change the results of metal's actions, he would need to change said actions, which he can't due to acausality type 4
Hellscream
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No mate. Yhwach sees himself dying in the future, he doesn't see sonic, nor does he see the action he takes on how he kills him, he simply sees his own death, as he can manipulate his own fate.
he then changes his own death so that it doesn't take place, or just resurrects himself.
Acausality does not go past their own character. If sonic punches yhwach, and damages his body Yhwach can only see the damage to his own body, since he himself doesn't have acausality.
He doesn't need to change the actions of sonic, nobody even said that, all he's doing is affecting his own fate
Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.
this grants them resistance which simply means yhwach just can't affect sonic with his Almighty, which nobody said that he's doing
Hellscream
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also another question about his acausality, this is Metal Sonic, but in the reasoning for his Acausality it seems to be normal sonic?
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Grace is already finished. The seventh vote for Neo Sonic was Glaceon's.
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Neo Metal Sonic has the biodata of Sonic, allowing him to completely replicate his powers and abilities. This includes Acausality since Neo's Super Form should be the same as Sonic's
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Not sure if I wanna add this yet. If more support for Yhwach is needed.
Hellscream
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i don't even see a valid wincon for sonic, he's not putting yhwach down in any way
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What hasn't been discussed yet?
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I will put the wincons here
Neo Metal Sonic: could copy Yhwach's data and earn him all of his powers, sealing and/or BFRing him most likely via Chaos Control and Master Emerald due to his inteligence advantage plus boost and AP one-shot.
Yhwach: Absorption and possibly Sternritter's Schrifts (however, he does not use them in-character even if he has them in this match).
Neo Metal Sonic: could copy Yhwach's data and earn him all of his powers, sealing and/or BFRing him most likely via Chaos Control and Master Emerald due to his inteligence advantage plus boost and AP one-shot.
Yhwach: Absorption and possibly Sternritter's Schrifts (however, he does not use them in-character even if he has them in this match).
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You seem to not understand how acausality works, metal is in a different system of cause and effect, yhwach will not be able to see the effect of metal's attacks nor see metal at all in the future, nor change them since he is on a different sistem of cause and effect, why do you think that it grants resistance to precog in tye first place?
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he can't seal nor can he BFR him, AP one shot doesn't matter either, yhwach can manipulate his own fate in an infinite amount of possibilities.
And like deceived said, yhwach can just teleport himself infront of sonic, and instantly absorb him
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I really can't believe that we are discussing Acauasality here. It intrinsically grants resistance to Fate Hax lmao.
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Acausality is a generic super form power
Hellscream
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Man.... nobody is saying that sonic doesn't have resistance to fate hax....
Yhwach can still use fate manipulation on himself... like what was shown in the bleach manga
Just because sonic is acausality type 4 doesn't mean yhwach's fate manipulation doesn't work on himself.
Yhwach can still use fate manipulation on himself... like what was shown in the bleach manga
Just because sonic is acausality type 4 doesn't mean yhwach's fate manipulation doesn't work on himself.
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Reason?
Acausality makes it so that he can't, sincr the effects from metal's actions are in a different system of cause and effect
Metal can also teleport, he can also stop time and seal bfr, also reactive evolution to adapt and copy the absorbtion
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