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Eh why not, Metal Sonic FRA 
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The Fate of the World (Neo Metal Sonic vs Yhwach) [13-8-1]
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Yes. Their durability is just mathematically more durable (using set theory). Their body is still a 3D structure built from atoms.
If their body was a temporal entity that couldn't be contained within space-time? That would be an infinitely more complex existence
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you see mario as fiction, you are in a higher plane of existance from mario, your power is irrelevant, your higher dimensional existance is what matters here
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neo metal sonic 12 (omegabronic, Undylan, BEASTHEART880, GilverTheProtoAngelo, Artorimachi_Meteoraft ShakeResounding GlaceonGamez471 Dragonite007 Gilad_Hyperstar TauanVictor Maverick_Zero_X YungManzi)
yhwach 2 (Deceived3596 LaserPrecision)
incon 1 (Robo)
just keeping the votes to make it easier for the op
yhwach 2 (Deceived3596 LaserPrecision)
incon 1 (Robo)
just keeping the votes to make it easier for the op
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higher dimensional existance is a hax
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Holy shit, Neo has 11 votes? I take it back, count my vote for Yhwach now. I may have to jump in to help Bleach on this ocassion.
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Wrong analogy, R-F difference automatically means HDE for you being real. Besides Mario wouldn't even have range to reach you, let alone affect you.
Read my statement again
No it isn't.
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dude, have you not seen the title lol
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Hellscream
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FRA
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No, I was too busy explaining the wiki's hax standards to hell to notice
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was this a vote?
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yeah man, man's got them super infinite 3-d+ destroyer demon god atoms. that's why his AP is infinitely above the other character, despite being built of the same atoms.
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Nah, gotta disagree this time. I think Hell being stubborn like this is justified. He's being unfairly jumped in this thread and getting Fra trained in a match where the character he's repping has legit win cons that I feel are being I accurately dismissed. Otherwise I'd agree with you tho. But he'll acting this way seems fair imo
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that comment warmed my heart
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Count me for Metal.
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counted
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Or, you know, it's fiction where our laws don't apply and thus need to be examined and treated differently. For your sake, a LEGIT example of higher dimension physiology is viewing your opponent as purely fictional as well as the space-time they exist in. That's an actual higher dimensional existence. Goku is Tier 2. Does his body appear to be made of anything other than matter? Does he view his wife or friends as fiction? Is goku's body made of higher dimension properties like Infinite Zamasu who is an ACTUAL candidate for higher dimensional existence? It's clear as day that in fiction a higher dimensional existence is separate from ap
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You're welcome, bud. No one deserves to get jumped on a thread like this. FRA trains are almost as aids as using vs wiki on mobile
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i vote incon 
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While I can't dictate what y'all do, I'd appreciate if you could hold off on voting for Sonic. Ya'll know how much of a Sonic fan I am. So if even I disagree with Neo netting this win, I feel y'all would understand there's a good reason behind it (especially since I'm a very argumentive person). So if y'all are willing, can some of you undo your votes until I give my reasons? Ideally tomorrow since I think that is the soonest I can get on pc (though I very sadly MAY be at a funeral tomorrow, so I can't ascertain that)
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I retract
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Thank you! 
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neo metal sonic 10 (BEASTHEART880, Artorimachi_Meteoraft GlaceonGamez471 Dragonite007 Gilad_Hyperstar TauanVictor Maverick_Zero_X YungManzi Ikelaggan Setsuna_tenma)
yhwach 5 (Deceived3596 LaserPrecision Shmooply Smashtwig Hellscream)
incon 1 (Robo)
just keeping the votes to make it easier for the op
yhwach 5 (Deceived3596 LaserPrecision Shmooply Smashtwig Hellscream)
incon 1 (Robo)
just keeping the votes to make it easier for the op
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Maybe the people arguing for Yhwach should actually come up with solid counters (like Deceived did).
But sorry for your loss.
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we can hold the grace and not request it, relax, also sorry for your loss
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Add me on team Yhwach.
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Care to explain (in simple english)? I dont feel like reading this entire warzone of a thread to understand why Metal's feat counts as type 4
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Yea, I understand that, that's why I wanted to give my opinion on the match up as I feel I could change people's mind on the verdict. Though I can't do it today since I'm stuck on mobile rn. That why I was hoping I could get people to temporarily retract their votes.
Thank you.
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thread:
In Sonic Mania, super forms are able to function in the Egg Reverie Zone, a dimension where time and space behave erratically. This is evidenced by the in-game timer constantly jumping back and forth, indicating that time here behaves in a non-linear fashion. Now looking the definition of Type 4 acausality:
“Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.”
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Oh, and thank you too Jed. I appreciate that.
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even if it hits grace, we can hold it no problem
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That's what is confusing me, yes spacetime being warped can be used to replicate something akin to a different and irregular system- but wouldn't that all just be because of spacetime warping? Like:
Spacetime Warping is the Cause -> In-Game Timer Jumps Back and Forth is the Effect
That seems like pretty normal causality to me- what am I missing here?
Also thx for the thread link
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i mean, cause(action) and effect need a time frame to occur, so by time going constantly back and forth and distorted, it would be, like you said, akin to a irregular system, and the super forms ignore it completely
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Oh, I thought it'd have to directly mess with cause and effect itself- instead of messing with spacetime to achieve it
Well, if it's accepted... it's accepted lol
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I retract my vote for Neo.
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Thank you, Shake.
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