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distorting a low 2-c structure across uncountably infinite points in time not scaling you anywhere unless all of time is affected
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The End of a Zamasu-flavored Era (Low 2-C CRT)
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Well I mean if it doesn’t affect all of time it’s actually countable infinite, which I think is what the argument is for infinite zamasu being not low 2-C is
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Dudes, affecting a limited amount of time it's absolutely not quantifiable because it's just an unknown part of Low 2-C. Limited 4-D is not High 3-A anymore as that was literally giving to any kind of random 4-D character High 3-A when they have no feats of such. About the "But Infinite / Number = Infinity", we don't do that for lots of reasons. Zamasu merged with an
amount of time, not all of it, there's simply no proof at all he even finished to merge with U7 unless you prove he stopped to spread except where he got erased.
amount of time, not all of it, there's simply no proof at all he even finished to merge with U7 unless you prove he stopped to spread except where he got erased.
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I wanna discuss that with you but its gonna derail the thread so imma not say nun
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Literally all tiers that involve infinity have a lot of unquantifiability
Affecting a countable infinite amount of time means that you’re gonna be infinitely higher than a finite 3d character, it’s literally just mathematically correct that you’re gonna be high 3-A by affecting a finite amount of time no matter what (unless you’re not 3d to begin with)
Finite on a higher dimension means infinite on a lower dimension, that’s pretty basic stuff
and I’d like to see these “lots of reasons” because none of them probably make too much sense
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I will say this though, last part is definitely argument from ignorance fallacy, and I think its heavily implied he was merged with the timeline for reasons i've already listed in the thread.
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Limited 4D? Wtf??
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Limited 4D is not a thing
It’s either infinite 3D or finite 4D
If you’re infinitely small 4D, then that’s just saying infinite 3D with extra steps
It’s either infinite 3D or finite 4D
If you’re infinitely small 4D, then that’s just saying infinite 3D with extra steps
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Anime Ghidorah was only Tier 4 despite being fully 4D in existence to say one.
You have to prove he finished to do so. "Heavily implied" after all is abused to distort what happened in your own way.
Don't you know how we treat such anymore?
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Do you know how dumb that sounds tho? Destroying all of a timeline isn’t different from destroying 5 minutes worth of spacetime. Time is continuous as long as it’s moving, and a time as minuscule as a microsecond can have uncountable infinite snapshots of space.
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Then why isn't Zeref Low 2-C despite he can mess with 400 years? Simple, because that's not how Low 2-C works.
Time is infinite from default, and destroying all of it is standard Low 2-C. Just affecting finite time is not enough.
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We don't do that type of dimensional tiering anymore.
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Even if you are 3000-D, you won't be 1-B if you don't have feats if such caliber, mind you.
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i was gonna type a paragraph but let me just put into the most simple terms why you’re wrong
Finite 2d> infinite 1d
Finite 3d> infinite 2d
Finite 4D is therfore > infinite 3d
Time is considered to be the 4th dimension by the wiki
Therfore affecting a finite amount of time (a second worth of time) means you’re finite 4d
Affecting an infinite amount of time would make you infinite 4d, and yet, this is what the requirement for low 2-C by the wiki is
It seems we need to add an entirely new tier, since the current system skips straight from infinite 3D to infinite 4D
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Not sure what this post is supposed to mean but
Thanks?
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You're still arguing based on a pre-2018 understanding of dimensional tiering.
I honestly think you should stop that.
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I mean I’d like
Prefer if you gave some kind of reason why “pre 2018” tiering is wrong instead of just expecting me to believe you with no proof
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Plus, even after hours I still want a timestamp in that episode proving he stopped expanding before getting yeeted from Zeno.
We don't that anymore. A 2D object of 50 x 50 isn't infinitely smaller than a 3D of 3 x 3 x 3 because "a dimension less". Dimensions are nothing than axis lol.
We don't do that because characters who erase a limited amount of time (Diavolo or Zeref) aren't High 3-A but like Unknown at best.
Because just being an higher D entity with no feats at all is not granting a tier anymore.
Read above. We don't give feats to characters who don't have them.
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Zamasu took over the entire space time of future universe 7, which makes him low 2-C. That's it. He even tried to take over present U7 too and prbably many other realities, which means he can go higher overtime.
I disagree with this CRT.
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He ******* didn't lmfao. He never stopped expanding except when Zeno killed him. No proof = no feat.
Unquantifiable.
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Just being a "higher dimension" is not enough to grant infinitely greater power anymore under the current system unless the higher dimension is portrayed in-universe as being infinitely grater than the lower ones.
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He did. The burden of proof is on you, not me.
Unquantifiable for a time being only. Eventually he would have taken over multiple universes.
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Uhm. You have to prove he finished to merge with all the thing, when not even TOEI itself claimed so.
4D range is not AP to begin with.
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One thing I am confused about...
Why is infinite zamasu under fusion zamasu profile?
He has nothing to do with fusion zamasu. IZ is related to the immortal future zamasu
Why is infinite zamasu under fusion zamasu profile?
He has nothing to do with fusion zamasu. IZ is related to the immortal future zamasu
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...they're the same character.
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The fact that he appeared in the present timeline shows that he was affecting spacetime.
His actual power level is probably equal to future zamasu, who is weaker than ssj2 goku. But his existence is definitely low 2-C/2-C.
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No they are not.
Fusion Zamasu=goku black ssjr+future zamasu
IZ= Future zamasu's soul/will
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Omnipresent characters aren't automatically Tier 2 because they're in space time too. Plus nothing even says he finished except your fanfiction.
Headcanons.
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IZ definitely became the universe/s. There is no fanfiction here. Again, the burden of proof is on you.
What is headcanon about it?
Isn't merged zamasu a fusion of black and future zamasu?
Does the faces on IZ resemble regular zamasu or merged zamasu?
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im·ply
/imˈplī/
verb
strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated
If we have 2 possiblities, finished, not finished, and one possibility is more likely via being implied, statements, speed, and more, via occam's razor, the most improbable explanation, rather the one almost everything points to, would be shaved off. Skepticism won't work here, for this crt to fully succeed we would need counterevidence.
Also how am I abusing the word "heavily implied" when i've given evidence from the supporting my argument?
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Nothing stated he finished doing so. Show me a scan saying he did. Because he was still expanding until Zeno killed him, meaning he didn't even finish to merge with U7.
Because both are Zamasu lmao
Read above. Give me a time stamp of the episode where it's clear that he finished to merge.
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The fact that goku had to summon zeno is proof of low 2-C zamasu.
Personally I believe that zamasu is only low 2-C in existence only. Actual raw power wise, IZ is weaker than ssj2 goku.
And you still haven't answered my question. Is IZ fusion zamasu or Future zamasu?
Goku black is zamasu too. Lets just delete all zamasu profiles and make one composite one since in your own words "they are all zamasus".
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Well this is turning into a hot mess.
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Uhm. No. It's because they were completely unable to harm him anymore. It's not that they thought "oh he became Low 2-C" lol.
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You forget that you’re comparing volume and area
50 times 50 = 100
But if you apply the new axis then it’d be 50 times 50 times 0.000000000000000000000001 (with infinite zeros) and you’d find that it is not at all close to 3x3 times 3
This is very basic math
Diavolo’s attack is hax, and not actually infinite power
It is an attack with 4D range, but how it interacts with time is no different than how Hakka interacts with matter. It is just time hax, not physically interacting with time, just erasing it.
His feat is affecting time, along with affecting all the space he takes up (he was able to somehow nullify attacks that hit him except for erasure)
Also he should have the appropriate durability through sheer size regardless of the tiering itself, since a building level character is not going to destroy that much stuff
Sorry bucko
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Oh, that is a rather curious case.
Why do people scale from Infinite Zamasu's existence?
Why do people scale from Infinite Zamasu's existence?
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How does that prove that?
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None of this makes sense tho idk what you’re doing man
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Goku knew the risk of getting zeno involved in this. Yet he still summoned him because he realized there was no hope for the future timeline.
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I am just saying that IZ shouldn't be in fusion zamasu profile.
He should either get a new profile or he should be relocated to future zamasu profile.
Is that clear?
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