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then prove it
deny the math already bruh
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The End of a Zamasu-flavored Era (Low 2-C CRT)
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deny the math already bruh
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ok, lets say they do
then why do they keep calling it the future? Is the dragon ball cast just mentally disabled?
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The "Future Timeline" is entirely seperate from the Present one. The names are irrelevant. They call the Cyborgs 18 and 17 Androids for Pete's sake, the DB cast calling X, Y is something they do.
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I already did. Dimensions are nothing more than axis, it's not that a 2D object is magically 1D x 2D x 3D with the latter being 0, it's just 1D x 2D, otherwise we are 0 too coz we have x0 for 4D and so on. In terms of pure math we are just 1D x 2D x 3D while 2Ds are just 1D x 2D.
Because that's just a name. That's it.
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I gave a mathematical representation explaining why that isn't the case and why the volume of a 3d object would be far greater than a 2d object. If there was something wrong with the equation I sent please tell me.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence - speculation
evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement. - proof
Yeah I gave proof/evidence, you're against it because it came in the form of reasoning, and not in the form of an image.
Rest of your reply is attacking people, not gonna bother responding to those.
I doubt this CRT will go anywhere, just getting very circular.
Unfollowing
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Volume is irrelevant if we can't destroy a 2D universe at all.
Reasoning here is your headcanon. Only evidence that is acceptable here is from scans, not you writing stuff you make up.
Bruh.
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I’m pretty sure “would have eventually become this powerful” isn’t valid for scaling, considering Jiren and UI aren’t 2-C despite the fact Zamasu would have eventually become 2-C.
Zeno and Super Shenron are already 2-C, so Zamasu’s Tiering wouldn’t affect them.
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Imo Zamasu should be just "At least 3-A, would eventually become Low 2-C, possibly 2-C" for the reasons I've already told.
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Wait what? Volume x density=mass, mass x acceleration=force. Its directly related.
Whats headcanon? Whats made up? Zamasu's speed scaling above the BOGs characters who affected the macrocosm in seconds? Beerus saying zamasu was affecting the present? Zamasu then coming to the present timeline, and 17 years into the past of it?
I genuinely don't think i've been dishonest.
I think at one point Zamasu's page said "would eventually become 2-c" but it was removed if i'm not mistaken.
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doing X*X as opposed to X*X*X means that you are only comparing 2d objects on a 2d scale
however if we use common sense and take into account that we're comparing them DIRECTLY, then they are going to both be compared on how large they are in a universe that has 3 dimensions
so again, in a universe with 3 dimensions, volum is measured by width, length, and height
a 4 by 4 square and a 4 by 4 by 4 cube put in the same universe would end up being
4*4*4
vs
4*4*(infinitely small number)
the square will not compare to the cube in any way, this is basic ass logic
the future timeline branched off from the original timeline, and in the time before that branch, the future timeline was the exact same as the normal timeline, therfore, there is no reason that one should have skipped a bunch of years for absolutely no reason, it's literally just an alternate future, but a future nontheless
there is literally tons of statements of it being the future, the evidence is more than just implication. Yes, it's a parallel universe, no, that does not mean it can't still take place after the present
future trunks is not the same age as present trunks, this should not need any kind of explaining, but somehow, it did.
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But can we destroy infinite sized 2D universes? No. It's logic.
This is same logic used under calc stacking, also merging =/= destroying.
Only range.
Explain why these characters aren't even Tier 3 then.
If is the future, then why End of Z events and Future Trunks events are different despite being the same era? Simply, completely separated timelines.
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a baffling argument for sure
1. the only justification for ghidorah being low 2-C was him having 4th dimensional statements, there is no reason why he'd be tier 3 at all
2. the wiki is not a valid source, especially when the entire point of this thread was literally to change information on the wiki? just stop
not once have I claimed they're the same timeline, pay at least 0.00001% of your attention to what I'm saying and we might actually get somewhere
what I am telling you is that it is the future of another timeline, but it is still the future nontheless
the events of the future take place in another universe, but the events in said universe still take place many years after the present
supported by the fact that trunks isn't a little kid, yet it still branched from the timeline where he is
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At the end there's him destroying the universe tho.
Dude, your logic isn't even accepted as many pages even say and you're still keeping? There are lots of verses which have =>4D characters but they're not even Tier 3 based on their feats, Countemilia and Belldandy are examples of that.
You can't be the future but be in another timeline, it's common sense.
Because that's how Dragon Ball treats Time Travel, only as travelling between timelines.
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Via the explanation i gave, literal scientific equations, yes, us 3d beings output infinitely more force than a 2d object.
Please explain to me how I'm using calc stacking or anything similar to the logic behind it. Because calc stacking is wrong for reasons I'm not using.
"merging =/= destroying" cool I never claimed that.
Also I'm still waiting for you to explain how everything I said was "headcanon" and how i was "making stuff up". I can literally send you a link to every image and scan I was applying within my argument.
Context.
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Because you're using fan calc on a feat of a completely different nature.
Cool, I'm waiting.
Or maybe because we never assume that 4Ds generate more output than any 3D AP.
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You clearly don’t know what your talking about if you think that’s the case then.
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I'm not here to talk about ******* anime ghidorah man, maybe the wiki got something else wrong, but I do not give a **** rn so genuinely stop using this trash argument
I missed the part where the wiki's mistakes, or whatever context those characters and verses have, are at all related to our current debate
1st of all, you can't fly and shoot lasers out of your hand and become 500 times stronger by making your hair turn yellow
2nd, why not? both are in the realm of possibility for a 4d character. It's just dimensional and temporal range
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So you're basically saying the wiki did wrong because it contradicts how flawed Zamasu tiering is.
And yeah, a timeline has its own past, present and future. A timeline can't be the future of another one.
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massive strawman, I'm not making an actual claim of wrongdoing rn, simply saying that it COULD be wrong, or you're missing out on context
since clearly you're using it in the absence of a good argument, so I don't see why I have to take something at face value like that when you haven't even explain why the tiers are what they are, just pointing out that they are
thank you so much for continuing to completely miss the point despite it being spoon fed down your throat
it does not matter that it is a different future, all that matters is that it takes place afterwards
if you come from the year 2010 of timeline A, then you go to timeline B, you will end up in 2010 of timeline B unless you both hop between the timelines AND are able to go to the past
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not doing this to be rude and win the argument via bullying, but it's more so that I GENUINELY think you are not reading my posts completely, and am attempting to emphasize that you should
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No you don’t. If you can’t understand why a second worth of spacetime is uncountable infinite, then you don’t know it’s true definition.
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This always happens, a big thread appears, users argue for 19 pages with no staff input, then the thread is completely derailed from the main topic, in the end, staff see the mosh pit and decide to close the thread.
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Technically, it's still part of the main topic, just on the biggest issue which is whether or not IZ's feat is enough for Low 2C
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Yeah I agree. This thread is basically just now trying to bring back the pre-2019 Dimensional Tiering wank. This should just be a staff only thread.
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Aka now an attack. ******* so.
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That aspect is the most entertaining part of the site though
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if this becomes a staff thread then I unfortunately no not have much faith that all arguments will be heard out
it would be a massive waste
it would be a massive waste
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As entertaining as it may be (not much for me, ngl), it's a giant waste of time. Particularly when usually this things happen when both sides don't know nor want to understand what the other is arguing.That aspect is the most entertaining part of the site though
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You can still speak in staff threads with permission. Honestly I think it would be better off being one.
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well apparently there are still a bunch of separate crts that have to be made to fix the system
or else they would accuse me of using "old fashioned dimensional tiering" or something like that, which actually would be worse to hear from a mod than from some random dude
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Wow I didn't know using logic and saying "hey since this character X is faster than this character Y, and character Y is capable of doing this this fast, so character X must also be capable of doing this this fast" is completely faulty logic. Im sorry for that.
Every scan i've referred to in my argument.
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bruh what? He's not attacking you at all, just making a point.
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Tbh most of the time debating in general is a waste of time, it's seldom that you'll change someone's mind. Furthermore, I would say it's probably a bigger waste of time to argue on this site. Specifically if you're arguing against the mod's views.
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that is true somewhat
most of the things I hear about the vs battle wiki when I talk to people are how bad it is at being accurate, that only mods have a say in stuff, and other stuff
it's just what the common view seems to be, and after some particularly frustrating debate so far, I can kinda see why people think it
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I agree with Low 2-C BoG base Goku, since it was stated that the universe itself would be destroyed implying both space and time
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