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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

Pretty sure Ultima actually has said that they don't think the Axiom will apply for Tier 0, but even then, just because a series has a Tier 0 does not mean it will also have High 1-A characters.
 
Pretty sure Ultima actually has said that they don't think the Axiom will apply for Tier 0, but even then, just because a series has a Tier 0 does not mean it will also have High 1-A characters.
Ultima is a “they?” Someone's probably going to make an SMT revision Cosmology and we can evaluate if those reasons are good enough. It's unlikely though.
 
In general, is High 1-A (+) also a thing? I thought [+] modifier could only be added in Tier 1-A. But maybe that’s just my misunderstanding.
 
Could you elaborate on why? Also, some guy claimed Eua isn't Featherine. Any thoughts on that regard?
Cause she's beyond the extension of r>f layers of the witch domain, to the point that for her there's no difference between it and the human domain.

Also, Eua very likely is Featherine at some point in the past. Higu Mei pretty much aludes to this based on calling her the strongest witch or the closest to omnipotence and stuff.
 
Cause she's beyond the extension of r>f layers of the witch domain, to the point that for her there's no difference between it and the human domain.

Also, Eua very likely is Featherine at some point in the past. Higu Mei pretty much aludes to this based on calling her the strongest witch or the closest to omnipotence and stuff.
Seems good.
 
I kinda want to make a case for Tier 0 Creator, just for the old times sake seeing as the old Tier 0 is back.
 
is it a R>F anti feat if : Beings from lower levels of existence interacts with higher levels of existence via advanced technology?
Hope everyone having a good day!
 
Based on my understanding, any interaction between the fiction and real character without outside help is are anti feats

I would personally assume things like sensing their presence or analyzing them is also impossible
 
what about going to a real world,where it sees your world has a videogame
Anti-feat unless it's got some very specific context. In general, a being from the "fictional" world shouldn't be able to exert any effect on the higher world using other fictional things, and that includes their power. (Unless that power is sourced from a higher world, or is in a higher world, or something)
 
Any "Reality-Fiction relationship" where the "fiction" interacts with the "reality" by itself or with technology, powers, or forces from their "fictional" world; whether it be travelling to it, ascending to it, viewing it, manipulating it, threatening to destroy, using it to rewrite your "fictional world", or anything else, is a massive anti-feat that almost definitely guarantees it won't be considered a true Reality-Fiction relationship.

Reality can interact with fiction, fiction can't interact with reality. This is a bedrock of the Reality-Fiction relationship.
 
Btw are we just waiting for DT right now (even though he already said he disagrees with Ultima)?

Because I am not looking forward to them just vetoing the entire thread or flat-out stalling.
 
Any "Reality-Fiction relationship" where the "fiction" interacts with the "reality" by itself or with technology, powers, or forces from their "fictional" world; whether it be travelling to it, ascending to it, manipulating it, threatening to destroy, using it to rewrite your "fictional world", or anything else, is a massive anti-feat that almost definitely guarantees it won't be considered a true Reality-Fiction relationship.
Wouldn't this downgrade the Elder Scrolls then, since the highest level of the verse is transcending the dream and taking control of it?
 
Wouldn't this downgrade the Elder Scrolls then, since the highest level of the verse is transcending the dream and taking control of it?
Attaining Amaranth is moreso dissolving yourself back into the Godhead, so, less "accessing" a higher level through your own physicality (Which is the problematic part) and moreso shedding all your attributes to realize what you always were at the core.
 
Anti-feat unless it's got some very specific context. In general, a being from the "fictional" world shouldn't be able to exert any effect on the higher world using other fictional things, and that includes their power. (Unless that power is sourced from a higher world, or is in a higher world, or something)
how specific?because it is not like a fictional world on itself,it is just a world that was created by the ''real world''in the cosmology of the verse,worlds are created using a trascendental programming that allows all possible things to happen according to the programming,even if they sound contradictory.
so this real world,created the ''videogame''using that trascendental programming
 
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