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In general, is High 1-A (+) also a thing? I thought [+] modifier could only be added in Tier 1-A. But maybe that’s just my misunderstanding.
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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Thats probably where the revision will be able to discuss these items in length. I understand there’s a discussion in the works?
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High 1-A+ is a thing. The highest in the system is something that contains all possibilities and concepts.
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Based on their current profile, they likely aren't going to have any changes from this.
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Cause she's beyond the extension of r>f layers of the witch domain, to the point that for her there's no difference between it and the human domain.
Also, Eua very likely is Featherine at some point in the past. Higu Mei pretty much aludes to this based on calling her the strongest witch or the closest to omnipotence and stuff.
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someone wanted to make a revision in 2022 to 1-A,the problem was,it was
derailed for a long time, that thread is already dead
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yes,it is (and also it was poorly made)
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1-A would actually probably start earlier tbh
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Seems good.
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Yeah, but that's because of "beyond dimensions" stuff, not R > F.
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is it a R>F anti feat if : Beings from lower levels of existence interacts with higher levels of existence via advanced technology?
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Yep.
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I think it fits the Ultima's definition of reality-fiction, but since it won't be used, it doesn't really matter.
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So does Featherine's part count as well or do we still accept her having R>F?
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Also a massive anti-feat to Reality-Fiction relationship.
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why?
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Based on my understanding, any interaction between the fiction and real character without outside help is are anti feats
I would personally assume things like sensing their presence or analyzing them is also impossible
I would personally assume things like sensing their presence or analyzing them is also impossible
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Anti-feat unless it's got some very specific context. In general, a being from the "fictional" world shouldn't be able to exert any effect on the higher world using other fictional things, and that includes their power. (Unless that power is sourced from a higher world, or is in a higher world, or something)
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Any "Reality-Fiction relationship" where the "fiction" interacts with the "reality" by itself or with technology, powers, or forces from their "fictional" world; whether it be travelling to it, ascending to it, viewing it, manipulating it, threatening to destroy, using it to rewrite your "fictional world", or anything else, is a massive anti-feat that almost definitely guarantees it won't be considered a true Reality-Fiction relationship.
Reality can interact with fiction, fiction can't interact with reality. This is a bedrock of the Reality-Fiction relationship.
Reality can interact with fiction, fiction can't interact with reality. This is a bedrock of the Reality-Fiction relationship.
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Wouldn't this downgrade the Elder Scrolls then, since the highest level of the verse is transcending the dream and taking control of it?
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Attaining Amaranth is moreso dissolving yourself back into the Godhead, so, less "accessing" a higher level through your own physicality (Which is the problematic part) and moreso shedding all your attributes to realize what you always were at the core.
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If he intended to veto the thread from the start, he wouldn't have called a vote.
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Not if it's a case where they are part of the dream and what is happening is they are dissolving their illusionary fictional existence to fully become one with the dream.
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how specific?because it is not like a fictional world on itself,it is just a world that was created by the ''real world''in the cosmology of the verse,worlds are created using a trascendental programming that allows all possible things to happen according to the programming,even if they sound contradictory.
so this real world,created the ''videogame''using that trascendental programming
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Fair enough, but nothing says he won't stall.
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I'll wait.
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Hello ultima I needed to ask this from you
is interaction with higher levels of existence via advanced technology considered anti feat for R>F?
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The first: No. The second: That album is 404'd.
Would need to see specific scans, but if the thing from the fictional world somehow breaks through into the real world on its own, that is in fact an anti-feat.
Yeah. Unless there's in-verse factors remediating that. I've already talked a bit here about how ascending to higher and lower layers can be coherent depending on how the verse's cosmology works.
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You can only interact with reality as fiction if A) a resident of that reality or a higher reality helps, or B) the body and world is fictional but their soul/heart/true self/whatever originates from a higher reality and that is what is used. Otherwise it's an anti-feat.
Basically, fiction can't interact with reality, only reality acting under the guise of fiction can interact with reality.
Basically, fiction can't interact with reality, only reality acting under the guise of fiction can interact with reality.
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There's also more esoteric stuff, like the first two cases here, for instance.
The first is just Scoria talking about how Yahweh doesn't seem to care about anyone or anything other than Lucifer and Michael. Second is just Lucifer using "author/character" poetically to distinguish between "Creator/Ruler" and "Creation/Subject." Third is... nothing, really.
The fourth is just saying the Silver City is outside creation and can observe the universe from that vantage point, which likewise is pretty bad evidence.
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That's the point. Creation is like a game/book/fiction that God(position) plays with. None of it matters, affects, or changes him unless he wants to interact with them directly which can't work as he can only with aspects or lower emanations.
Would it still be 1-A due to superiority over Creation thus time, space, causality, and dimensions? Strictly talking about the City and not the residents other than the Primum Mobile, Lucifer, and Michael.
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