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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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The_forgetten said:
Dostum demek istediğim monad ve aperion ilkesine göre varoluşun temeli ve başlangıcı olan bir aşkın olması gerektiği gibi, sonattan bu güne kadar ortaya çıkan bir karakter için de aşkın tanımı yapılabilir mi? seviye, örneğin 2^n seviyeli bir hiyerarşi, yani mantıksal düzlemleri ve olasılık seviyelerini içeren l1a'dan daha yüksek bir kurgu katmanını içeren bir Mr. Eğer öyleyse (bu tekil olarak değil sonradan oluşan bir durumdur) 0 olması için yeterli olur mu yoksa h1a ile mi sınırlı kalır çünkü aperion ilkelerinde temel bir varlık olduğunu inkar eden bir durumdur Bildiğiniz gibi, bildiğiniz gibi ichiban'da yaşam öncesi öncesi ve sonrası, gerçek dünyada bile kurgunun farklı seviyeleri var, aslında bunu pek mantıklı bulmuyorum çünkü kozmolojiyi biraz kilitliyor.
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Speak English.

The_forgetten said:
I think what you want to do with trandualty is to give these features 1a or higher tiers in the 2020 system, am I wrong?
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No, I'm moreso beginning to think Transduality is defined awfully and the only decent way to redefine it would leave it as a meaningless and redundant power to anything other than Tier 0s.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
Speak English.


No, I'm moreso beginning to think Transduality is defined awfully and the only decent way to redefine it would leave it as a meaningless and redundant power to anything other than Tier 0s.
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I dont follow these whatever new tier 1 and 0 stuff is going now but if according to new changes if R>F is now 1-A how will qualitative superiority and hde work?
 
Woomica said:
I dont follow these whatever new tier 1 and 0 stuff is going now but if according to new changes if R>F is now 1-A how will qualitative superiority and hde work?
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HDE works the same as it did then. We're just not calling it "qualitative superiority" anymore. That term is 1-A-exclusive.

Ben_CleverName said:
Q: "How can there be multiple --"
A: "There can be."
(y)
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Hey Ultima, did you answer this?
Agnaa said:
I'm not fully sure now that multiple characters can qualify for a tier. I suspected they'd be treated as having equal AP (although potentially unique hax), but idk what would happen if a series showed a High 1-A+ having higher AP than another one.

Halp @Ultima_Reality
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Ben_CleverName said:
You have no point. Their question was about "How", not "Can". You relied on Ultima to give his answer again.

Edit: This might be coming off as meaner than I intend it, I'm not trying to antagonize anyone or make them feel bad, I just think the question could've been responded a bit better.
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It was mainly a joke. So no offense taken. I answered it so quickly, that I forgot to link the response from the thread to which Ultima explained it. Though, given he himself answered it, my response was treated more of a retort than anything else.
 
I'm very smart FYI. I wanted to clear that up and I just so happened to read it wrong. So I am very much intellectually capable of answering the question “the right way”. wink wink hint hint
 
Tdjwo said:
I don't see why no one would agree to it. Unless they want their verse to be ignored. If I was a mod and I got 20+ requests at the same time to check out crts, I would ignore every single one.
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Just set yourself up a pace and you can get through all fairly quick, I once speedran through 90+ notifications just to get back at a DB revision
 
Agnaa said:
Yeah, but Ultima doesn't think we should assume that they have strange explanations by default. That's why "above dimensions" without any additional context would be Low 1-A, and it would only need a little more context to be 1-A.

Potential contradictions aside, it could. Just as how "They're from a more real world" or "They're from a more fundamental world" would.

idk why y'all're surprised; I repeatedly said "HEY EVERYONE, ULTIMA'S TRYING TO LOWER THE STANDARDS AND I THINK THAT SUCKS", to which Ultima responded "Yeah, they should be lowered" and other staff went "Seems reasonable".
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Does it need to be stated that platonic concepts are clearly platonic and platonic concepts 1-A


Can you also explain the contradictions of platonic concepts in detail?
 
Trigger said:
Well, it remains the same? What about the mother leviathan?
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Ultima said that the Cetacean hierarchy is a good representation of High 1-A and remains that way. I don't know how much more the Mother Levitahn scale but based on what I've read, it could reach High 1-A+
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
Ultima said that the Cetacean hierarchy is a good representation of High 1-A and remains that way. I don't know how much more the Mother Levitahn scale but based on what I've read, it could reach High 1-A+
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I've seen some stuff that could suggest so and would the cosmology reach tier 0 (nothing to scale since it wouldnt even be a force or character)
 
I fail to see how they can reach past 1A+ considering that the Leviathan can be usurped by lower whales iirc. The hierarchy of stories is good for 1A+, but the Cetacean Hierarchy is extremely dodgy from what I've read and seen.
 
Ovy7 said:
I fail to see how they can reach past 1A+ considering that the Leviathan can be usurped by lower whales iirc. The hierarchy of stories is good for 1A+, but the Cetacean Hierarchy is extremely dodgy from what I've read and seen.
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Probably the apex of that hierarchy would be 1-A+ due to the sheer amount of anti-feat for the Levithans. So the hierarchy probably won't reach High 1-A, the smallest hint of High 1-A would maybe be the Mother, but I doubt it.
 
Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I changed my original opinion. I don't see them reaching High 1-A. Most definitely at most 1-A+.
 
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