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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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Muchacho_mrm said:
Lu Zhiyu should probably be added to the list too for possible tier 0.
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You mean this paragraph?
“原来没有什么物质能量，一切都是造物主的梦境，一切都是造物主的思维和智慧之光的凝结，物质、能量、空间、灵魂、源质，一切都是如此。”
But, will the countless descriptions of Lu Zhiyu in the end have any impact on the results?
 
Eseseso said:
GLARES AT ALL THE BATTLEBOARD-WRITTEN ISEKAI VERSES THAT ARE IN TIER 1 WITH FLAT PLOTS AND CHARACTERS
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if verses with R>F get changed how much does Umineko get changed? is it now going to go to high 1-A for FAA and 1-A for all the main voyager witches or no?
 
KingNanaya said:
So if everything except tier 0 gets accepted, would the proposed High 1-A+ be tier 0 instead, or will there just not be a tier 0?
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We'd decide that next thread.
 
Daqinggen entered a state that seemed to be called "sincere": "I'm not entirely sure either. It's just occasionally mentioned by immortals. It's said to be the realm where Dao Venerable and Buddha Ancestor reside, the true state of transcendence. It's beyond speculation, beyond description, beyond discussion. To speak of it is wrong, to think of it is fallacious. It's a realm where the creation of the universe can be speculated, the destruction of countless universes can be imagined, the reversal of time, the overturning of cause and effect, all can be fantasized about, but not about them. So, no matter how hard one tries, they cannot understand or harm them, nor can they truly see them...
"Anyway, according to my understanding, they know everything. They are omnipresent, omnipotent, and any contradictions can coexist in them simultaneously..."
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Is something like this Tier 0 from scaling to this

"Without the illusory roaring sound, nor the feeling of brain explosion, suddenly the scene before him dimmed, without color, without sound, without up, down, front, back, left, or right, nor past, present, future, only a point, containing infinite distance and infinite closeness, harboring all possible outcomes, a point difficult to accurately describe with language, a point that cannot be judged with logical thinking.

If it were someone else, perhaps they would panic, perhaps they would be at a loss, not understanding what this point is. But Meng Qi's own cultivation is the 'Elemental Golden Chapter' combined with the 'Eight-Nine Profound Arts.' His Dharma form resembles this indestructible primordial form. When initially determining his path, he also referenced the insights from his past life, naturally understanding that it is a singularity, a singularity of the multiverse, the true body of the Primordial Celestial Being!"
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Just regular transcendence because it's reachable, or it's untierable?
 
Genericstickman said:
Arceus being in a higher tier then Digimon feels wrong
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The Heart sadly isn't eternal and came into being so it isn't 0.
Otherwise, it would be.
Due to such Digimon is gonna continue to be in a higher tier than Pokemon, and actually be able to do matches with SMT again (because those two verses are basically just one and the same).
 
deonment said:
The Heart sadly isn't eternal and came into being so it isn't 0.
Otherwise, it would be.
Due to such Digimon is gonna continue to be in a higher tier than Pokemon, and actually be able to do matches with SMT again (because those two verses are basically just one and the same).
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This has never been stated. Are you mixing it up with the avatar coming from chaos and the egg? We have received nothing at all the the Heart having been created or not being eternal?

Edit: Oh I see where you got this from. I don't think it's as big as you think. It doesn't read as if it talks about it's literal birth, and more the birth of it's awareness (creation) of the world. Whether this is a big deal breaker remains to be seen when it is evaluated with the rest of the evidence.

Well, I think that the beginning of the world is the moment when people's heart (心) sprout (芽生えた).

Yes! The heart was born and it began to perceive (認識) the world!
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deonment said:
The Heart sadly isn't eternal and came into being so it isn't 0.
Otherwise, it would be.
Due to such Digimon is gonna continue to be in a higher tier than Pokemon, and actually be able to do matches with SMT again (because those two verses are basically just one and the same).
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Wait, Digimon is going to be 1-A?
 
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