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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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If I were to separate the main Marvel contunity with J.M. DeMatteis then some of the things can’t be used for the main Marvel Cosmology, so I believe it wouldn’t be as big since DeMatteis is a large chunk of the Cosmology.
 
Everything12 said:
Either not changing or downgrade because they don't fit the new Reality-Fiction standards, most notably lower realities not effecting higher ones.
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Normally in magi lower realities it could not have an effect to the higher ones. But some of them are able to do this because there is a higher god ordained by them. Wouldn't this get them a new Reality-Fiction
 
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Tensura LN 1-A ? Veldanava He proved to be oneness and all was one, but he died this scan made him transcend dimensions trancescede space-time continuum?
He is a singular existence, the primordial will that exist as and separate from everything else, his consciousness holds all things, the one that is all and the all that is one yet alone in the world, he is devoid of everything and nothing, for those are just pure parts of himself
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Tensura LN 1-A ? Veldanava He proved to be oneness and all was one, but he died this scan made him transcend dimensions trancescede space-time continuum?
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I dont understand what you said,but if you said he transcended a space time continuum
Then he should be low 1-C then no?
 
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Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics)

Lucifer Morningstar is a fallen rebel archangel who was cast out of Heaven and onto Earth as punishment for leading the revolt of the angels. He's the twin brother of Michael Demiurgos and the uncle of Elaine Belloc. Before the DC Verse was created, in the void outside all creations that is the...
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1-A again?
he has bde 2
 
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Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics)

Lucifer Morningstar is a fallen rebel archangel who was cast out of Heaven and onto Earth as punishment for leading the revolt of the angels. He's the twin brother of Michael Demiurgos and the uncle of Elaine Belloc. Before the DC Verse was created, in the void outside all creations that is the...
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1-A again?
he has bde 2
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He’s 1-A, minimum.
 
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Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics)

Lucifer Morningstar is a fallen rebel archangel who was cast out of Heaven and onto Earth as punishment for leading the revolt of the angels. He's the twin brother of Michael Demiurgos and the uncle of Elaine Belloc. Before the DC Verse was created, in the void outside all creations that is the...
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1-A again?
he has bde 2
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And with no justification at that, reminder that Ultima is going to be far more strict with that sort of stuff.
 
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The realm is said to be an actuality above reality.
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More specifically for being described as "above the real" and similar.

Though, can you explain Lucifer's relation to dimensionality, also? The comics are a big vague on that mark, and the fact he's very much depicted as existing just fine in regular reality throws me off.
 
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Though, can you explain Lucifer's relation to dimensionality, also? The comics are a big vague on that mark, and the fact he's very much depicted as existing just fine in regular reality throws me off.
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Me and Tyler from the Imaginary Axis just have the view that Lucifer being above dimensionality is rather a supplementary part of the lore rather than a direct statement. I mean he does predate dimensions anyways and would logically be beyond anything that he creates within the whole of Creation.

There’s no direct citation, we pretty much assume so and there’s really no reason not to. Especially if you regard that time and space are extension of the will and he embodies infinite will and can craft infinity with any material given.
 
Blackchocolate77 said:
Normally in magi lower realities it could not have an effect to the higher ones. But some of them are able to do this because there is a higher god ordained by them. Wouldn't this get them a new Reality-Fiction
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Except for the part where it was Ugo who built and initially used the thing, not Sinbad. So some doesn't work, when Ugo wasn't part of those some.
 
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Except for the part where it was Ugo who built and initially used the thing, not Sinbad. So some doesn't work, when Ugo wasn't part of those some.
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Should Ugo's actions be determined by a higher god? As Sinbad said, he couldn't become a god with his power. He was to be chosen by Solomon and even higher gods
 
The fact he was able to create a device that was able to interact with a higher reality alone is a major anti-feat, that it is able to swap the hierarchy between higher and lower realities is an absolutely massive one. That he was able to come up with this system with his own intelligence would be impossible if it was true higher reality, never mind that the power used to perform this hierarchy switch is simply the magoi of a lower reality, which should not be equal to a higher reality. Unless we have proof a higher reality being directly gave him this knowledge and boosted the power used for the palace to function it wouldn't be enough to counter such massive anti-feats.
 
Well it seems that essentially all the major staffs that count towards these kind of revisions (Administrators/Bureaucrats) all seem to agree on Option 4. So does that mean that the discussion is completed then ?
 
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The fact he was able to create a device that was able to interact with a higher reality alone is a major anti-feat, that it is able to swap the hierarchy between higher and lower realities is an absolutely massive one. That he was able to come up with this system with his own intelligence would be impossible if it was true higher reality, never mind that the power used to perform this hierarchy switch is simply the magoi of a lower reality, which should not be equal to a higher reality. Unless we have proof a higher reality being directly gave him this knowledge and boosted the power used for the palace to function it wouldn't be enough to counter such massive anti-feats.
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Nah.
 
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