I mean, let's be real, in the real world, our world, fiction also exists as collective electric impulses in our brains.
This is an understated point. The idea that fiction is like an anthill, some small but concrete thing that we can all agree exists in the exact same manner between two people is wrong. The version of the Harry Potter story that exists in my mind is different from the one that exists in others, because we all fill in the blanks a little differently.
I thought quoting this here would be appropriate.
Isn't this moreso a problem with reality equalization in general, than it is with the tiering system?
Yes,every scaling system will run into this issue when dealing with verses like SAO and The Matrix which take place in fake worlds.
I don't think so, really. I never thought it made a lot of sense to assign much weight to the different types or levels of reality rather than just assuming things are real. Of course SAO is a video game, but in-game Kirito would still beat up real life Kayaba
this issue is being overblown, its perfectly fine to treat virtual worlds as 3 dimensional or above spaces to scale they, as long as you dont scale it to anyone outside the virtual world. Otherwise you have nothing to scale. Treat the virtual world as its own fictional verse. Otherwise you have braindead takes like "lmao umineko tier 11 because not real featherine human level jajaja xd"
I would say no to that. Fiction isn't composed of electrical impulses, rather, impulses in the brain are just used to signal and represent the ideas in fiction. The representation itself has no physical existence.
lmao umineko tier 11 because not real featherine human level jajaja xd goku victim
We will just have to disagree. Everything that exists, even our ideas and thoughts can be explained using physics and standard model. Fiction is just a bunch of interactions with particles in our head. The "idea" is just that. There isn't something deeper. The idea is a bunch of electrons and particles.
So your opinion is that you could beat Superman in a fight?
What, you can't?
Yes,Superman can't even interact with Deidalius.
Yes, Superman is a fictional character and despite everything, as a fictional character he wouldn't be able to affect me in any way.
You also can't affect Superman in any way. What does a "fight" mean in a context where your opponent doesn't exist? What is "winning" if you cannot harm or kill your opponent and they cannot harm or kill you?
Which should be the obvious premise for any discussion of this type.
Deidalius probably owns a red colored pencil. They can draw a split throat over Superman./hj
neco arc stays tier 1 become she's just that good
We couldn't affect each other due to living in different layers of reality and fiction but that doesn't mean that every character in fiction is unable to affect lower levels of reality. It would depend on their powerset and abilities. There are lots of characters capable of controlling technology, concepts, ideas, stories, etc so a character from baseline reality affecting lower realities isn't impossible.
It should not. You would be going out of your way to put those characters in the same reality despite the fact that realistically, they shouldn't be. You are all doing it for the sake of discussion rather than accuracy.
I think this idea is getting lost in this whole debate. The tiers are for attack potency.
Alternatively, you could just say any situation in which a character can affect fiction is just not a true Reality-Fiction relationship.
This is wrong. All characters are equally fictional. The only way to consider any of them as being above or below each other is to both a) consider them real and b) arbitrarily decide that some layers of nothing are better than other layers of nothing. The approach you're taking is inconsistent, you're stopping the train of thought before it arrives at its conclusion.
When considering Ultima's elaboration on the importance of category errors, the implementation of something akin to Irrelevant speed to the system seems like an inevitability, even if the intention to do so hasn't been expressed yet. If speed is a measure of how fast someone can move through a space, then within the constraints of how R>F transcendence is defined, asking how fast a 'real' person can move through a fictional space is absurd.
Just because the layer transcends the lower layer, that doesn't mean the higher layer uses an entirely different system of math, and that space and time doesn't exist in the higher layers. The distance formula will still work in higher layers.
I agree, but doesn't this only make speed irrelevant relationally? As in, don't we still need to determine their speed on their own level of reality for when they are in match ups against people who are also in their own level of reality?
If it is to qualify for 1-A on Ultima's system, then utilizing a different, superior system of space-time would be necessary. If it uses the same one, then their existence could still be quantified within the standard universal concepts of space and time and couldn't reach past High 1-B.
Yeah, it's pretty inevitable with what he is suggesting.
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That's not true. The only difference is that one is fiction and one is real. The differences between reality and fiction cannot be equated to the differences with dimenisonality. It does not mean that higher layers all use a different alien version of math. 1+1 = 2 is the same for all layers of reality unless the story specifically says it's not (and you can have a reality where 1+1 =/= 2, without R>F).
I never said anything about math in the post you quoted. I specified "space-time," and went further, clarifying the "standard" universal concepts of space and time.
for characters that are still within the constraints of space-time within their layer, probably, maybe something like
