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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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Shut up
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Find it a bit sad that DT immediately switches his target to go for low hanging fruit.
It does seem like a desperate attempt to mischaracterize Ultima in hopes of quickly changing the opinions of staff members before he has the chance to actually explain what's being targeted.
At least, that's how I see it. I definitely see where Ultima is coming from on the thread.
It does seem like a desperate attempt to mischaracterize Ultima in hopes of quickly changing the opinions of staff members before he has the chance to actually explain what's being targeted.
At least, that's how I see it. I definitely see where Ultima is coming from on the thread.
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Seems like he's trying to filibuster this the same way he spent months filibustering Ultima's Marvel Revisions.
Ultima or a staff member should just force a final staff vote to end this once and for all.
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I'm also not a fan of DT's arguments in this thread, but I think I see where he's coming from
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What does that mean?DT has just torpedoed Ultima
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I put it the way I did, because that's how I understood it and for no other reason. The same way Ultima explained my arguments the way he understood them when he asked people to comment on them.
The way Ultima explained it, it sure sounded like he didn't intend to require feats beyond a solid description of the nature, especially since that was what I was asking about. That Tier 0 transduality related explanation of him was several replies down on my attempt to get a straight answer from him to the question
So yeah, I presented it like I understood it. As a yes to that question. Quite frankly, I don't understand why he didn't just answer that question with a clear "no" if feats are always required.
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Seems like very big changes are happening soon. Idk what changes they will be cuz I ain’t readin allat but Goodluck.
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More like relevant to your layer of reality rather than comparisons made between what is real and what is fictional and what can be derived from that.
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Yep,pretty much. Im pretty sure ultima said td on its own might also grant 1-A
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Abusing that everyone's talking about Transduality...
May I ask why TD is just Nonduality plus a "qualitative" (current meaning, not what Ultima clarified) superiority? Thing is that this isn't something worth noting as to a character of the same "qualitative" size the other character in question doesn't have Nonduaity to begin with.
Stuff like being immune to "inferior" stuff is already covered by the Resistance page per some changes I've made regarding smurf abilities, so this just comes off as misleading and redundant.
May I ask why TD is just Nonduality plus a "qualitative" (current meaning, not what Ultima clarified) superiority? Thing is that this isn't something worth noting as to a character of the same "qualitative" size the other character in question doesn't have Nonduaity to begin with.
Stuff like being immune to "inferior" stuff is already covered by the Resistance page per some changes I've made regarding smurf abilities, so this just comes off as misleading and redundant.
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Let’s just start that nonduality is a fake power.
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No. The lower levels cannot affect the higher levels no matter what and will never be put in a battle with them.
Expect to see a lot of 1-A characters with zero feats and almost no abilities.
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No that is not what will happen. Ultima's proposal will result in some Low 1-C's getting upgraded to 1-A.
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Why was it even changed lmao
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IDk Fujiwara wanted to make a niche barrier for qualitative superiorty and unbound by dual systems which is kinda redundant to play a semantics train over "exist outside and independently of" vs "transcendent"
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Because requiring qualitative superiority was an objectively stupid decision that spit in the face of the real-life basis of the power and was ostensibly only added to make transduality/nonduality harder to get.
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I already answered your question, though
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I mean characters of higher reality should be completely immune to any abilities of lower reality(unless maybe there is some explanation or some smurf power), otherwise its an anti-feat.
But giving abilities like Acausality 5 or Transduality by default seems a bit odd to me
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....which ultimas version of 1-a covers.
also thats TD
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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why am i being pinged lol, idc if people have bad opinions
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I mean, people are complaining about the unnecessary requirement of QS on ND page, when you simply need proof that outside of dualities + superiority or beyond dualities statements.
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"Nonduality is a fake power"
This is the same energy as saying that something can't be aspatial without being transcendent of space.
Which is, blatantly wrong. Abstracts aren't inherently transcendental to the reality they exist in.
In the same way, you can exist independently of certain concepts and dualities without transcending them.
Crazy take.
This is the same energy as saying that something can't be aspatial without being transcendent of space.
Which is, blatantly wrong. Abstracts aren't inherently transcendental to the reality they exist in.
In the same way, you can exist independently of certain concepts and dualities without transcending them.
Crazy take.
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That will happen. The very basis on this change is that the lower level is equivalent to nothing.
All attacks and abilities by default will not work on beings in the higher level. There is no point in giving them resistances to any lower level abilities when they are going to be immune to them by default.
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Oh don’t get me wrong. I think its fake for entirely different reasons. I am against transduality too.
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No, there's no page for specific concepts by nature like that
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I transcend the concept of getting a girlfriend. It is simply irrelevant to me.
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you're a virgin because you transcend the concept of losing
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I never lose
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