Just_Butchering
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Wall level butcher? Damn
And I thought my calc (yet to upload) for 30 KJ Hughie and Frenchie was funny
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The Boys Season 4 Discussion Thread
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And I thought my calc (yet to upload) for 30 KJ Hughie and Frenchie was funny
Just_Butchering
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Not all supes have super strength though
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Nah thats like all very very low end wall level barely scratching it so I don't think its so bad
Just_Butchering
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Yeah, I know, but it's funny that the normal guys are 9-B
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I think the ones without it are the exception, and it depends on the amount of compound V they took.
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At 1:23 Kessler has some very interesting wording. I still think it’s too vague rn and needs more clarification in Season 5 (he could very easily just be talking about the tentacles in a mysterious way), but the possible implication that Kessler physically made Billy stronger against Ezekiel and didn’t just rip him apart with the tentacles is intriguing.
Just_Butchering
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I mean, Kessler just re-offered that and we got Butcher with tentacles. I think all he did was allow Butcher more conscious control.
Ghengiroo115
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Yeah that’s the screwy thing in my mind rn. Based on context he’s probably just talking about the tentacles in some weirdly phrased way, but the usage of a phrase like “juiced up” is really odd to use if he really was just talking about the tentacles. Plus when you add the context of Billy being physically healthy after fully joining with Kessler… eh I guess like I said we’ll just have to wait till Season 5.
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The tumor is the thing killing him.
Ghengiroo115
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Yeah
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It's also sapient, so it could kinda just choose not to.
Ghengiroo115
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That’s kinda what I’m getting at tbh. In his tentacle reveal scene we see him both visibly healthy and we see him regenerate from the tentacles bursting out of him. To me that says that either the tumour can heal Billy from the damage done to him or it’s limiting a potential regenerative ability that Billy himself has from when he took Compound V, but either way it means the tumour can do something to significantly affect his body beyond just letting out the tentacles. Again I think it’s too vague to say for sure that Billy’s own stats can be affected by the tumour, however the implications like Billy knocking out Firecracker, the weird “juice up” phrasing and the tumour having the power to either grant or limit regen are there.
Just_Butchering
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While you are cooking, I also think you're looking too hard into it (specially the Firecracker part).
Sure, maybe you're right and it's shown in S5, but with the current info, I think it's just about the tentacles.
Ghengiroo115
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Yeah I don’t think it’s guaranteed to be the case, it’s all just possible implications right now.
Just_Butchering
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What I wonder is if we are gonna get anything close to the comic ending.
Oh, and btw, I made Luke's sandbox
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I think it's basically guaranteed with how Kessler has been talking about going all out, but I'm really curious as to how they're going to go about it. Without Frenchie (or someone equal) there's no way Butcher gets that virus strong enough for the task; makes sense, since comic Butcher's plan relied entirely on Vogelbaum's work. That and there's the whole other thing about killing off Homelander early enough in the season for that final arc to develop well...
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Do Luke and Jordan scale above Stormfront, Black Noir and S2 Queen Maeve?
I mean, I believe Sam definitely does via clear outperfoming but idk 'bout the other two.
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They could hypothetically do a movie.
Ghengiroo115
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I thought that before but it might just be due to supes not always one-shotting weaker opponents for plot reasons. He does have an I believe 9-B feat with him being slammed into a table by Noir, but if high tier humans get upgraded to 9-B then that wouldn’t end up being support for super powered Billy anymore.
Just_Butchering
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Andre's punch did more to Sam than Kimiko's, Luke is stronger than Andre, and Jordan is on part with this bunch, so yeah, kinda (unless they later changed it and Kimiko can fight Sam equally or something in S5)
Unless they change it later, the only thing that Kessler did was killing Ezekiel, and later letting Butcher kill Vicky. The rest is just Billy
Considering the 9-B feats for the humans in the boys (there's two lol) and how for example Hughie and MM survived the shifter's attacks that could one shot other humans, I'll that, even though it's mostly some degree of plot armor, the story is kinda aware they are above the regular human quora lol
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the Gen V boys are so ******* OP man
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I can see it for the swept under the rug thing but I don't remember the show victim blaming Hughie for the whole shape shifter thing. Unless your talking about Annie being upset about the situation.
In any case could you please elaborate on the show blaming Hughie for that situation.
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Lmao, yeah, and here I thought they would help the boys reach 9-Athe Gen V boys are so ******* OP man
Just_Butchering
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Assuming we don't scale Kimiko to Soldier Boy's blasts vaporizing people, how do we handle the scaling?
The Maeve is the "second most powerful" falls in a gray area: it's from a deleted scene, but it was available in the Blue-Ray, just like the Butcher Short Film, which is canon. Also, in the Gen V, Maeve is called the strongest alumni (ex-student) from Godolkin, which would help support said statement. But technically, we don't know if it is canon.
For 9-A then (if even the Maeve scaling is not accepted) we really only have Kimiko being implied to survive lamplighter's fire blast, which would fall more into a "likely/possibly" scaling.
The Maeve is the "second most powerful" falls in a gray area: it's from a deleted scene, but it was available in the Blue-Ray, just like the Butcher Short Film, which is canon. Also, in the Gen V, Maeve is called the strongest alumni (ex-student) from Godolkin, which would help support said statement. But technically, we don't know if it is canon.
For 9-A then (if even the Maeve scaling is not accepted) we really only have Kimiko being implied to survive lamplighter's fire blast, which would fall more into a "likely/possibly" scaling.
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I just realized they did this the other way around in the comics. Iirc, Hughie found out about the shit the Seven did to Starlight, he got weird about about it, it was really uncomfortable for multiple chapters, and then he did some half-assed apology.
Genuinely hope the show reflects on this more.
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Same, that last episode left a bitter taste on my mouth. The SA Hughie went through was portrayed as a joke and even laughed at by the author and in the same vein, the show expects you to take the SA of other characters seriously.
It can be fixed if they have Starlight apologize next season which I hope they do.
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Theres gotta be smth for 9-A scaling, we got Lamplighter stuff tho it aint physical, Kimiko withstood SB blasts, Stormfront casually destroying a parts of an apartmemt complex, Black Noir completely no selling Naquib"s explosion. Crimson Countess and TNT Twins also utterly destroy ppl with one of their blasts
I find it weird that they arent outright 9-A
Just_Butchering
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1. Mentioned, doesn't address scaling issue
2. If accepted, then there's no issue
3. No calc, but I don't think it's past 9-B/+
4. Calculated, it's Wall level (2.6 MJ)
5. Destroying a human body is about 9-B (could be 9-A if it was vap or something, but they just get turned into pulp... Also not direct scaling)
Just_Butchering
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I think I f*cked up LOL (At least the stormfront part should be ok)
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When are you referring to? Against the Shapeshifter? or in general?
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I took that to reference the fact that she'd been locked up for a few weeks. How her physicals are affected by her connection to electricity has always intrigued me. I don't think we have anything stating that her skin and strength are diminished, pike when she and Butcher needed to get Hughie to the hospital. I guess she would've been closer to power at the park when Butcher shot her.
We know her blasts at least augment her strength, but I'm just not sure she gets physically weaker. She's just like Maeve and most people in general, where diet and general upkeep influence performance. She has had nothing but what? Chips and water?
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Well yeah, that's my point though. She's weaker because she was locked up and barely had anything to eat or drink. Anyone would be physically weaker than normal in those conditions.
Just_Butchering
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Just the beams, pretty much. Like, yeah she should be weaker, but for the most part, she was functional. Kinda la butcher having an Eldritch horror on his brain but still fighting
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Kimiko Soldier Boy Blast
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