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The Boys Season 4 Discussion Thread
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Speaking of speed, I think Homelander should have an upgrade (possibly/likely rating), considering he flew to Tall Rifaat (Syria) and Africa (but we don't know which country specifically) in a short amount of time.
Homelander should also get an LS upgrade, because he threatened to rip Hughie's spine out of his neck (Class K) in season 2
Homelander should also get an LS upgrade, because he threatened to rip Hughie's spine out of his neck (Class K) in season 2
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Consistent with him tearing people apart and saying he could support the plane if it was on the ground
Also the show gave us some neat stuff, the virus would only work on Homelander of it was mutated in such a way to become a global pandemic, killing anyone with Access to V
That’s a really good resistance for our boy
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The Deep > Starlight (minus light blasts)
Noir is some level of bullet resistant, given nothing seemed to go through him, but he was in pain when he and Deep returned to the tower.
Homelander looked like he was kind of struggling to rip Webweaver apart. It's probably just how it was shot/edited, or we could do this guy a favor and say he was just durable.
Deep dodging A-Train's first punch was a surprise. He still got rocked, but that fact that it did happen was not on my bingo card.
Starlight can't break chains of determinant size but unknown metal. I look forward to calcs using a few different possible materials.
Man, if only Ryan could survive to adulthood. Have him be an actual hero, causing real change instead of maintaining the status quo. I hope he survives the series and gets confirmed as the first of the true supe subspecies, whereas the rest are just people with V. As in, you can't simply burn the V out of his system. It's as hard wired into his DNA as another part of him is.
Noir is some level of bullet resistant, given nothing seemed to go through him, but he was in pain when he and Deep returned to the tower.
Homelander looked like he was kind of struggling to rip Webweaver apart. It's probably just how it was shot/edited, or we could do this guy a favor and say he was just durable.
Deep dodging A-Train's first punch was a surprise. He still got rocked, but that fact that it did happen was not on my bingo card.
Starlight can't break chains of determinant size but unknown metal. I look forward to calcs using a few different possible materials.
Man, if only Ryan could survive to adulthood. Have him be an actual hero, causing real change instead of maintaining the status quo. I hope he survives the series and gets confirmed as the first of the true supe subspecies, whereas the rest are just people with V. As in, you can't simply burn the V out of his system. It's as hard wired into his DNA as another part of him is.
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I’m hoping he becomes the reconstruction of the Superman myth but I doubt it
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Yeah, so Deep now scales to Starlight, the new Black Noir is propably around 9-B based on him tanking minigun shots (and he has flight too), Ryan propably with the calculation of him throwing someone hard enough to splatter him will gonna give 9-B ratings, Homelander should have resistance to heat for remaining physically undamaged in an oven even as a child which we see how it turns out when an average human enters into it.
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Yeah, Deep dodging that first punch was BS lol, but at least he got blitzed after.
And yeah, 9-A Deep (and therefore Temp-V Hughie) wasn't in my card, but I'll be glad to upgrade those after Season end (I've been making the edits in sandboxes, I'll share then when I'm done to check if everyone agrees with them)
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Noir should be 9-A too. There's no reason for him to not be on par with the rest, and MM was concerned he could also kill Annie
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Isn't Starlight nerfed after her outburst with Firecracker? I dont think we should use this anti fear
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Was definitely bs but also is a concerning sign imo due to the simple fact that shit like that usually happens when writers are trying to figure out how to write a speedster out of a instant win in situations like this where it should be a stomp. I mean don't get me wrong I'm definitely reading too far into it considering he blitzed him a second later but it still kinda shows the writers intent
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I think this whole fight was supposed to show Deep was not a push over, which is why he high diffed Annie and then still had the power to dodge A-Train an survive the beating from both of them afterwards
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-Ashley implies A-Train can run to Italy
-Hughie gets his hand cut open and is so unfazed a minute later I genuinely thought he'd forgotten
-Kimiko was able to easily kill other trained fighters in seconds before becoming a supe
-Weakened Starlight scales to The Deep
-Noir reacts to shotgun blasts, and is not actively hurt by them, or by minigun fire
-A-Train can rock Deep's shit, and scales to him without building up much momentum but Deep can dodge his slower punches and damage him
-Hughie gets his hand cut open and is so unfazed a minute later I genuinely thought he'd forgotten
-Kimiko was able to easily kill other trained fighters in seconds before becoming a supe
-Weakened Starlight scales to The Deep
-Noir reacts to shotgun blasts, and is not actively hurt by them, or by minigun fire
-A-Train can rock Deep's shit, and scales to him without building up much momentum but Deep can dodge his slower punches and damage him
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Ya know the Ashley thing is actually pretty good in hindsight but it could end up an outlier but neither herself or A-Train deny he could do it and its not implied it'd take like several hours or anything.
For insance using his previously recorded 339m/s speed he'd take 5.64 hours to reach Italy and if it realistically would take him that long I highly doubt it'd ever be suggested. Ig we gotta wait to see because at the very least even if he got there in an hour we'd be looking at at least a 5x speed increase.
I suppose we gotta see how he performs in any other kinda feats
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I meant that he could cross the ocean, which does not seem to be made of land.
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I mean yeah that's a given as just due to sheer speed, doesn't realistically take bunch beyond low end subsonic speeds to do so so that part ain't very surprising especially since its something he's done in the comics but yeah he should get water walking on his profile
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1) Yeah this seems to confirm the fight from Season 3 with them both being comparable, I'd also note Deep seems to have an edge on Starlight 2) Writers even intended the first instance to be funny, who hates Hughie this much
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Weakened by what?
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Fighting Starlight??
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Hughie did get treated like shit in the comics, so that's kinda accurate.
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He didn't really take any significant damage nor was it like some long extended battle so he shouldn't be weakened at all really especially considering he's the one who had the upper hand against a weakened Starlight
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Even if he won it was not an easy victory, plus throwing around punches already makes you tired either way
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When A-Train got there dude had been flinging starlight around for a quite a bit and was about to kill her. He only fought for like 2 minutes tops, had the advantage, showed 0 signs of being tired, and is superhuman anyways so idk why we're judging his stamina off of normal human stamina. By all rights he should be fine by the time A-Train starts to beat him
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Hell did A-Train even beat him? He hit deep several times and then Starlight used the gills to win right?
Anyways I just dont think saying Deep downscales to A-Train due to this scene is just unfair to him. It was a 1v2 afterall
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But no one said Deep downscales A-Train in the first place. Deep would just scale to A-Train and a weakened Starlight
So 9-B possibly 9-A
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I thought thats what you implied
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Deep fully scales to Annie and A-Train, 9-A
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There is a reason for him to be not on part with the rest. He doesn't have any scaling that make him comparable to likes of Starlight, not all supes are equal/comparable in power (you have guys like Mesmer and Lamplighter for example)
Mothers Milk's word isn't be end all and i don't think he %100 knows what new Black Noir is capable of
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Wait, why? I don't think the heat vision counts, if that's what you mean.
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1. Yes, also have the Sandboxes. I might share the Cate and Golden Boy ones in a bit (for general opinions)
2. Lmao, nope
Speaking of Sandboxes, Added Powers and Abilities for HL
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Please add the Limited Body Control and 9-C with Cum control
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Space Survival
Space Survival is the power to survive unassisted in the hostile environment of outer space for extended periods. Resistance to Radiation Manipulation: Without an atmosphere to filter it out, space harbors immense amounts of cosmic radiation, so any character capable of enduring it would have to...
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ShitHe already has it.Space Survival
Space Survival is the power to survive unassisted in the hostile environment of outer space for extended periods. Resistance to Radiation Manipulation: Without an atmosphere to filter it out, space harbors immense amounts of cosmic radiation, so any character capable of enduring it would have to...
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