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The Blue bomber vs The Umbra Witch ( Redux.)

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@Zensum Its not in character for him to lead with time stop through, thats the point. Its in character for Bayo to lead with Witch Time into Paradiso, while Mega wont be able to even percieve what's happening in order to activate his time stop in the first place until its too late.
 
@WB We already went through this, this is composite megaman he has access to his entire arsenal. Like Repp said there's no issue with Time Stopper being used then AZ or anything else really.
 
Having his entire arsenal doesnt matter when, as Rep stated, he doesnt have the ability to resist time slows on Bayonetta's level. If he gets time slowed it wont matter if he can do those things because he wont get the opportunity to.
 
Time slow won't matter if time is stopped from the start. He's fought time man who can slow time not to WTs degree as Repp said and flash man who can full stop time among others which is above WT capabilities. If time is effected he will notice and respond with time stopper if he didn't already start with it from the beginning and end the fight.
 
Except its not at all in character for him to lead with time stop, and without a resistance to time slow on bayo's level he will not be able to notice time is slowed in order to activate his time stop before Bayo takes him out.
 
Didn't we already talk about how time stop won't matter? Anyways I agree with Zensum for the most part. So vote going to Capcom's best robo boy Megaman.
 
@Blue No? And please do explain how Mega is going to activate his time stop when he himself is slowed to a near stop and cannot percieve what is happening to be able to know he needs to stop time when even Rep, the resident Megaman expert, said he wouldnt be able to
 
Again there's is no in character for a composite megaman he can use anything in his arsenal first. If mega can fight flash mans time stop he can fight bayos time slow. Mega ends her with hax after that.
 
@Zen Yes there is, there are multiple cutscenes showcasing how Mega Man fights and he never leads with his hax in character. And He never RESISTED Flash Man's time stop. Fighting someone who has a time stop =/= resisting it, especially when the time stop is only active for a limited time, unlike Witch Time. As Rep stated, Mega has never fought or resisted someone wth time slow as potent as Bayonetta's. As soon as she slows him he is done for as she can destroy him with her atomic hax from the safety of a parallel universe while he is slowed to a near stop unable to percieve what is going on.
 
@WB that argument makes no sense those cutscenes are from one game out of dozens from where composite megamans abilties come from. Many of which aren't even in that game like time stopper, flash stopper, centaur flash etc lol. He has acces to every games abilties here and can use them. Therefore starting with any of his time stop abilties is plausible as stated by repp and above. Huh? Flash Man uses time stop on megaman with no time abilties and he beats him and gains the ability. Again this is composite mega with multiple time stop abilities. He either stops time from the start or does it when he needs too to end the fight efficiently.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@UMR No, not always he doesnt. He was dead wrong about how Witch Time opperates
Rodin, who has played major roles in both Paradiso's and Inferno's history as well as being able to sense imbalances within the trinity and gives the first look into how the trinity operates in the game itself. He is vastly more credible of a source than Antonio, whose entry contradicts basically every single instance of cross-purgatorio interactions in both games
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This still doesn't provide any information. Also, there's the fact that Enzo in the real world couldn't see Bayonetta, and Enzo was transparent to her, and Bayo had to create a Purgatorio portal just so the guns Rodin threw through the portal would be able to be used by her. And this is in the prologue of the game. She also walks through a random civilia while in Purgatorio in the first chapter of the game. https://youtu.be/p7mh70yvhBo?t=3m30s "As long as I am in Purgatorio, I won't be able to intervene in their affairs. But that also means I should be able to get around without their interference either."

Also you didn't address the likelihood of her going to Purgatorio in the first place when


1. Megaman isn't there, so it's one less reason for her to do so 2. There won't be other people interrupting their fight, bystanders, etc.


I too vote for the blue man, for reasons already stated.
 
Here's how fight actually goes in character:

Megaman shoots, Bayonetta dodges.

Witch Time.

Utterly destroys him while time is shown, even more so since he is technology. Megaman won't be able to react when he is thousands of times slower.
 
Yeah, Bayonetta I think takes this for reasons above.

Not to mention even if she gets too beat up, she can just become intangible in purgatorio.
 
In regards to that, Bayonetta has multiple instances of interacting with the real world through Purgatorio such as tripping Luka or picking up Lipstick, stopping time (Which affects him) and drawing on his face.

Visual on-screen evidence >>>>>>>>> Speculation from in-universe character.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I can prove the contrary:
https://youtu.be/lgVwpYoOVJ4?t=185

Megaman fighting Bass, his greatest rival, using nothing but the Mega Buster and Rush.

The Megaman 8 opening also shows Rock having various fights with Robot Masters of the series, all using only the Mega Buster.
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This is because Bass was not using any form of Time Manipulation in that scene, thus there would be no need for Mega Man to utilize any sort of Time Manipulation/Time Stop on his own.

Not to mention that Megaman in that scene wasn't seriously trying to harm to Bass; Megaman does say that he doesn't want to fight Bass at that point after all.

What is evident here is that Mega Man immediately utilized his Mega Buster right after Bass fired shots from his own Mega Buster. This means that Mega Man is willing to use a similar attack that his opponent has, if Mega Man has that type of attack in his arsenal.

  • You would need to find a scene where Bayonetta uses Witch Time immediately upon encountering an opponent (and in a cutscene), and not just in-gameplay.
  • You would also need to find evidence that Bayonetta leads the fight via using Witch Time constantly in a battle, and not just in specific situations where she would have to use it at the time.
Plus, this is Composite Megaman, and not Canon Megaman. He would not be limited to the abilities/showings that's just in the canon materials, but rather, would have access/utilization of all of the abilities he would have at that time.

EDIT: Also, no one here still has answered where the Planet level Bayonetta actually comes from. I cannot find sufficient justification in Bayonetta's p file, or the profiles of those that may scale to her (Calculation of a planet level yield is required in that case).
 
Listen, if Megaman is time slowed, he loses, he won't be able to counter when he is thousands of times weaker than his opponent, he will lose through blitz.

Secondly, Bayonetta uses Witch Time immediately during the first two times she fights angels in Bayonetta 1. It is a standard tactic.

What is evident throughout every depiction of Megaman is that he always use Mega Buster, and only after that proves innefective does he try something else. If he gets another chance.

The times where we see Megaman out of gameplay prove that.

You just wrote a giant fillibuster post that speculates a lot and proves nothing, trying to twist facts to your advantage.
 
Likewise, if Megaman uses time stop before Bayonetta can use Witch Time, this would cause Bayonetta to become immobile, and unable to move.

  • Regarding Bayonetta's resistance to Time Manipulation/Time Slow, where does it show in the games that an opposing witch's Time Slow/Witch Time does not affect her in any way? Bayonetta using her own witch time to counter said time slow would mean that she can't resist it, and would need to use her own witch time herself in order to counter it.
  • You would also need to show in a cutscene where she immediately starts off with witch time in a battle, and not just use it in a specific situation where the witch time would be required at the time.
So basically, I question whether Bayonetta truly has resistance to Time Manipulation, or not here, via the above points.
 
@Khris I will post scans when I get on my computer but there are multiple instances when Jeanne, who has the exact same powers as bayo, resists time slow without using her own time manip to counter it, and Bayo uses witch time instinctually at the beginning of fights, there are even instances of her starting with it when she doesn't even know who her opponent is.
 
The Everlasting said:
Also the fact that she has an item that activates Witch Time as soon as she's hit, so even if she doesn't dodge it will activate by default.
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Was this shown directly in the cutscenes from the game, or has this displayed in-gameplay only?

If this is just a gameplay thing, Megaman's abilities that he has access to in gameplay should be considered as well, regardless of methods.
 
That's... not how it works.

The item's literal function is to activate it.

We can't use Mega Man doing things in gameplay because that's not part of his personality.
 
The Everlasting said:
That's... not how it works.
The item's literal function is to activate it.

We can't use Mega Man doing things in gameplay because that's not part of his personality.
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Said item's literal function is to activate it, but this was only showcased in-gameplay, and not actually shown in an actual cutscene.

So why can't Megaman utilize stuff from his arsenal in-game as well?

Not to mention that Megaman in this case is composite instead of canon, thus he would not be limited to the tactics and feats displayed only from his canon showings.
 
@Khristis

No one is arguing against Mega Man having his in-game arsenal.

Fact of the matter is, he doesn't use his hax right off the bat.
 
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