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The Blue bomber vs The Umbra Witch ( Redux.)

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Yes, SHE can affect things from the real world, things in the real world cannot affect her. If you lke i can pull up a clip of someone in the real world literally walking through Bayonetta while she's in Purgatorio
 
I did see that in Bayo 2 where Luka tries to hold her and he ends up swinging through her lol nvm

Now will Megaman's intelligence let him know these facts? hmmmmm
 
>>> Bayonetta always leads with Time Slow!

>>> Mega can probs Counter that so maybe he w-

>>> BAYONETTA ALWAYS LEADS WITH PURGATORIO.

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@Fate Would you like me to pull up the clip of Bayonetta leading with Witch Time WHILE she's moving into Purgatorio before she even knows who her opponent is?
 
I'm asking how many occasions. If it's not something she does all the time from the get go, this whole "Will always time slow + purgatorio from the get go" sounds strange when few posts ago you were all going "leads with time slow + bazillions".
 
Either way. Guess I'll change to Bayo as it seems like she has more reliable tools to finish off the match fast than Bazillions so I'm back to "maybe she oneshots before Mega can pull the stopping" (someone did mention something about making him explode above) so I guess that's that.
 
The fight would have already been over after Time Stopper/Flash Stopper/Centaur Flash was used so it would be a moot point
 
Does she even have a reason to here though? She (almost) always goes into Purgatorio because that's where her enemies are, and not to cause interference in the human world. I'd assume neither to be the case here.
 
Also Bayo has inconsistencies regarding Purgatorio.

According to Antonio's notebook:

"To further explain Purgatorio, one must understand that those within the realm are unable to see or touch those in the human world, nor are humans in their own world able to intervene in the affairs of Purgatorio.

Moreover, what we identify as material objects may have different appearances in the different realities. Yet, when these items are destroyed in one world, they will be destroyed in all worlds."

If she's in Purgatorio then neither her nor Megaman should be able to see or interact with each other.

Luka can see her in Bayo 2, yet they're intangible to each other.

In Bayo 1, she has to leave Purgatorio to catch the guns Rodin throws at her.

And Enzo is invisible/intangible/transparent to her once she crosses over.
 
Even if it wasn't, the game shows us two separate effects of going to Purgatorio, and one of them don't belong. Saying his notebook isn't a legitimate source is like my high school teachers telling me Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source, even if all the information I got from it is correct.

What is a legitimate source then? :^)
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Bayo activating witch time is a lore thing, not just a gameplay thing. And Bayo has a resistance to time slow so slowing time wont counter her
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The issue with this is that if Bayonetta slows down time using Witch Time, all that's gonna do is make Bayonetta seem much faster in Megaman's eyes.

From this, it would mean that if Megaman manages to slow time on his own, said Bayonetta would seem slowed down in comparison to before, even with Bayonetta's witch time active.

Basically, Megaman perceives Bayonetta to be much much faster due to Witch Time's ability to slow down time around her, but this can be canceled out with Megaman's time manipulation because Megaman is able to slow down time around him as well. From Megaman's point of view, this would cause Bayonetta to slow down in comparison to her previous state, even with Witch time active.

If Bayonetta, and those who scale to her (Other umbra witches, including Jeanne) have resistance to Time Manipulation, wouldn't this mean that the speed of the Umbra Witches would remain relatively the same as it was before, even with Bayonetta using witch time here?

  • If so, I question why Jeanne (and any other witches that Bayonetta may have faced) would have to face their own time manipulation abilities just to match Bayonetta in combat, if they were already resistant to any form of time manipulation/slow in the first place.
 
@Khris Not really, he has no resistance to time slow so he is going to be slowed to a near stop due to its potency. Bayo has a resistance to time slows so slowing time would not in any way affect her. His perception would be slowed as well.

No because everything else other than them is slowed to a near stop due to their time powers, with only a select few angels being able to break free of its effects or resist it at all.
 
Mega has time stop, he doesn't need slow.

Not about to go changing votes again yet, but Him going slow rather than stop if/when given the chance would be the epitome of dumb.
 
Unite My Rice said:
Even if it wasn't, the game shows us two separate effects of going to Purgatorio, and one of them don't belong. Saying his notebook isn't a legitimate source is like my high school teachers telling me Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source, even if all the information I got from it is correct.
What is a legitimate source then? :^)
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Because the source is literally a human who has no experience with how things like Purgatorio and Witch Time operate theorizing about how they could work, when in the game they are consistently demonstrated to work differently than what he thinks.

A legitimate source is the Book of Infernal Demons or the Hierarchy of Laguna, information written by an all knowing 3rd party, hell even Rodin's and Bayonetta's firsthand experience of how the Trinity operates is more credible.
 
Arrogant Schmuck said:
Sorry for asking but what's changed since the first one?
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Time stop was changed to a time slow that slows time to a near stop, thats literally it
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Because the source is literally a human who has no experience with how things like Purgatorio and Witch Time operate theorizing about how they could work, when in the game they are consistently demonstrated to work differently than what he thinks.

A legitimate source is the Book of Infernal Demons or the Hierarchy of Laguna, information written by an all knowing 3rd party, hell even Rodin's and Bayonetta's firsthand experience of how the Trinity operates is more credible.
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But he gets his information from actual lumen/umbra records, and based on information collected at evidence sites, he usually comes to a correct conclusion, or makes a correct logical assumption. He correctly assumed witches could walk on walks during a full moon, correctly gathered info regarding witch time which agreed with the witch/sage statues, etc.

Be that as it may, are there any other more "official" sources that can speak to Purgatorio's functions? Otherwise we have nothing to go off of, other than two contradicting pieces of gameplay, and Antonio's notes.
 
@Matt

"One game out of twelve"

Err... you're dead wrong.

He has at least four time stopping weapons, the Time Stopper, Centaur Flash, the Time Switch, and the Flash Stopper in Mega Man 2, Mega Man 6, Rockman & Forte: Mirai Kara no Chousensha, and Mega Man 4 respectively.

Mega does have Time Slow resisting feats since he beat Time Man, but it's nowhere near Bayonetta's level though.
 
@Matt

Also, I don't see why Rock would have any problems going Time Stop into Absolute Zero when the profile assumes composite with all of his weapons ready.

He doesn't play around and goes to end battles as fast as possible when he has no other choice.

Whether or not this matters against Bayonetta is another story entirely.
 
@Weekly

I'm not arguing against Bayonetta here.

I just thought I'd clarify a few things with Matt.

Also, everyone here needs to settle down.
 
Unite My Rice said:
But he gets his information from actual lumen/umbra records, and based on information collected at evidence sites, he usually comes to a correct conclusion, or makes a correct logical assumption. He correctly assumed witches could walk on walks during a full moon, correctly gathered info regarding witch time which agreed with the witch/sage statues, etc.

Be that as it may, are there any other more "official" sources that can speak to Purgatorio's functions? Otherwise we have nothing to go off of, other than two contradicting pieces of gameplay, and Antonio's notes.
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Also @Weekly
 
I was under the impression that some of the comments earlier seemed more edged than they had to be. Maybe it's just my three hours of sleep talking.
 
@Weekly Speaking of this match-up, where does Bayonetta's Planet Level rating actually come from?

Does she scale to a calculation justifying this statistic?
 
@UMR No, not always he doesnt. He was dead wrong about how Witch Time opperates

Rodin, who has played major roles in both Paradiso's and Inferno's history as well as being able to sense imbalances within the trinity and gives the first look into how the trinity operates in the game itself. He is vastly more credible of a source than Antonio, whose entry contradicts basically every single instance of cross-purgatorio interactions in both games
 
Can he affect her while she's hitting him from and residing within a parallel universe?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Khris Not really, he has no resistance to time slow so he is going to be slowed to a near stop due to its potency. Bayo has a resistance to time slows so slowing time would not in any way affect her. His perception would be slowed as well.
No because everything else other than them is slowed to a near stop due to their time powers, with only a select few angels being able to break free of its effects or resist it at all.
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An issue with this is that even if said time manipulation is slowed towards Megaman to a near stop, Megaman being able to stop tme himself (considering that his time manipulation is potent enough to stop time completely and all), his perception of Bayonetta would increase enough that Bayonetta's witch time would still be visible to him.

The fact that Bayonetta is able to directly resist an opponent's time slow when said time slow is not directed towards Bayonetta alone, but the surrounding environment encompassing Bayonetta/Megaman as well is a paradox, unless Bayonetta has showcased a direct resistance to an opposing Witch's Witch Time/Time manipulation herself without utilizing Witch Time of her own to counter it.
 
Mega Man's time slow is nowhere near as potent as Bayo's, nor has he faced anyone with time slow as potent as Bayo's. If time is slowed he will not be able to percieve her, and him slowing time wouldnt in any way counter her time slow. Not sure what you mean by Witch Time becoming visible.

Yes she has, and Jeanne, another Umbra Witch with the same powers, has resisted Witch Time without activating it herself several times.

There's still the issue of him not being able to hit her or even see her while she's in Purgatorio.
 
Hm? Megaman full stops time which is above WT time slow and he ends with any of his hax (abs zero, black hole,etc) she never gets a chance to move to purgo
 
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