The big issue of DBZ Lifting Strenght...

[Vizer04]

Currently, every DBZ character from King Piccolo onwards has Unknown Lifting Strenght. I'm doing this CRT to prove that every character starting from Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) should have at least Class P Lifting Strenght with this simple reasoning:

Frieza's Supernova digs into Planet Vegeta's surface all the way to it's core.

 

[KingTempest]

How is the burning of a planet from a heat based attack even close to a lifting strength feat?

 

[Vizer04]

heat based attack

What?

 

[LordTracer]

Nobody in the Saiyan Saga would scale to that anyways… the first person that scales to First Form Freeza is Vegeta in the Namek Saga after multiple Zenkai.

 

[KingTempest]

What?

Supernova, an attack that is shown in your video to produce ridiculous amounts of heat

 

[Vizer04]

Supernova, an attack that is shown in your video to produce ridiculous amounts of heat

Frieza doesn't have Heat Manipulation on his profile tho.

 

[Eminiteable]

This ain't lifting strength

 

[DaReaperMan]

Frieza doesn't have Heat Manipulation on his profile tho.

That's cause DB needs a verse-wide revision and one is in the works for that reason

 

[Orange]

There are some lifting strength feat, tho they need to be discussed if they are legit and calculated.
1-Frieza slightly pushing against the spirit bomb [kid buu did too, but correct me if I'm wrong] and the spirit bomb stated to be able to crush the entire planet.
2- goku pushing against one of frieza's blast [it may be too vague so I dunno]
I think that's it?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

This isn’t Lifting Strength, it’s a Ki blast.

No one in the Saiyan Saga would scale, anyway.

 

[Vizer04]

This isn’t Lifting Strength, it’s a Ki blast.

Pushing back Ki blasts should count as Lifting Strenght tbh.

 

[Vizer04]

This ain't lifting strength

How is it not LS?

 

[DaReaperMan]

How is it not LS?

Because heat AP =/= LS

 

[Eminiteable]

How is it not LS?

It's AP, his supernova is melting through the planet.

 

[KingTempest]

Ain't goku struggle w/ some weights?

 

[Eminiteable]

Ain't goku struggle w/ some weights?

Yeah, I think Vegeta failed to budge a 1000 ton robot or something as well.

 

[Vizer04]

It's AP, his supernova is melting through the planet.

Do you have any scans or author statements that say Frieza's Supernova melted through the planet?

 

[Vizer04]

Ain't goku struggle w/ some weights?

Outlier.

 

[Eminiteable]

Do you have any scans or author statements that say Frieza's Supernova melted through the planet?

Look at the video you sent bruh

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Do you have any scans or author statements that say Frieza's Supernova melted through the planet?

No but we have eyes

 

[KingTempest]

Do you have any scans or author statements that say Frieza's Supernova melted through the planet?

That's simple to see.

Do you have any scans or author statements that say Frieza's supernova lifted the planet and that lifting is applicable to physicals?

Outlier.

How's it an outlier when it's the most consistent showing?

 

[Vizer04]

Can we add Heat Manipulation to Frieza's profile then?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Outlier.

How many higher LS feats are there compared to lower LS feats?

 

[Eminiteable]

How many higher LS feats are there compared to lower LS feats?

There's like Goku moving a boulder in early dragon ball and some alien in dbs lifting a building and that's the highest it goes.

 

[Vizer04]

Do you have any scans or author statements that say Frieza's supernova lifted the planet and that lifting is applicable to physicals?

No, but mountains don't sink into the planet all the way to it's core, therefore Frieza's attack is heavier than a mountain.

 

[DaReaperMan]

No, but mountains don't sink into the planet all the way to it's core, therefore Frieza's attack is heavier than a mountain.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

There's like Goku moving a boulder in early dragon ball

I hate that ******* boulder pushing calc.

No, but mountains don't sink into the planet all the way to it's core, therefore Frieza's attack is heavier than a mountain.

Mountains also aren't balls of energy that vaporize all matter in its path.
This is not a Lifting Strength. It's just Attack Potency.

 

[LordTracer]

Yeah, I think Vegeta failed to budge a 1000 ton robot or something as well.

To be fair, that’s in the DBS Manga, which we treat as another continuity.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

some bs

 

[KingTempest]

attack

I rest my case.
This is an attack, which is AP, not lifting.
And if it was lifting, it's an outlier.

 

[Vizer04]

Mountains also aren't balls of energy that vaporize all matter in its path.

Goku didn't get vaporized by touching Frieza's blast and what's more, he strugled to push it. That's clearly pushing strenght (or lifting strenght).

 

[LordTracer]

some bs

By all means, make the DBS anime follow Kai and the DBS manga follows the DBZ manga, I have no problems with that.

It’ll probably get rejected like the last fifteen billion times someone’s tried, but go ahead

 

[KingTempest]

To be fair, that’s in the DBS Manga, which we treat as another continuity.

In Z 40 tons was too much for base Goku which required super saiyan and 8 tons was sufficient training. It's consistent

 

[Nullflowerblush]

snip

If my memory serves me right, there is a statement from the Super Exciting Guide that states Heaven has a hundred time's Earth gravity, meaning that forty tons is actually four thousand tons in Heaven. And also, Magetta weighs over one thousand tons.

 

[LordTracer]

In Z 40 tons was too much for base Goku which required super saiyan and 8 tons was sufficient training. It's consistent

Okay? I wasn’t arguing against it lmao

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Found it (alt).

 

[Vizer04]

So, are we just gonna ignore the whole Frieza feat or...

 

[DaReaperMan]

So, are we just gonna ignore the whole Frieza feat or...

It's AP, not LS.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Doesn’t the consistent gravity training give inconsistencies to the characters being able to lift thousands of tons?

 

[Vizer04]

It's AP, not LS.

I already proved how that argument is wrong. Goku strugled to push a blast from Frieza.