The best Pikachu

[CryoTheMayo]

Well, no one has even provided an appropriate counterargument to my post or Mickey's so I am going to conclusively vote for Ash's Pikachu. Although I honestly think this is a stomp considering the huge difference from 8-A to At least 7-A and the lack of legitimate feats.

Maybe if this was Manga Red this would be closer and easier to argue.

 

[The_Calaca]

It'd end forgotten like my Manga Red vs Ash thread.

 

[Theformofacast]

It would be nice to see matchups between all 1st generation protagonist counterparts with conclusive results, though I don't know anything about Manga Red.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Ash's Pikachu oneshots fra

 

[Theformofacast]

Vote counted, but I'm thinking one thing: is one of the reasons for making Ash win is that his Pikachu stomps, shouldn't this thread be close? Or rather, are those reasons valid?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Eh, I'm memeing as I said that. At the moment with the current information in the profiles, Ash's pikachu just desicively wins.

 

[Theformofacast]

Then your vote stays as it is. Though I still want to know if the rest of the reasons are valid.

 

[Mickey1940]

Well, no one has even provided an appropriate counterargument to my post or Mickey's so I am going to conclusively vote for Ash's Pikachu. Although I honestly think this is a stomp considering the huge difference from 8-A to At least 7-A and the lack of legitimate feats.
Maybe if this was Manga Red this would be closer and easier to argue.

ok, stop saying that Red's Pikachu is only 8A

Remember, this is Game Pikachu. Statistically, he isn't far behind Red's other Pokemon. In fact, it's likely he scales to them to an extent. It wouldn't make sense for Red to bring Pikachu alongside him at all in the first place if Pikachu truly was that weak. In all but 1 of his appearances in-game, Red's Pikachu was at a higher level than all of his other Pokemon (in the only exception, all of Red's Pokemon were lv.50), PLUS Pikachu's Light Bal increases his power even more

Although I don't disagree that this is a stomp match, I do disagree with your downplay

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Well, no one has even provided an appropriate counterargument to my post or Mickey's so I am going to conclusively vote for Ash's Pikachu. Although I honestly think this is a stomp considering the huge difference from 8-A to At least 7-A and the lack of legitimate feats.
Maybe if this was Manga Red this would be closer and easier to argue.

ok, stop saying that Red's Pikachu is only 8A
Remember, this is Game Pikachu. Statistically, he isn't far behind Red's other Pokemon. In fact, it's likely he scales to them to an extent. It wouldn't make sense for Red to bring Pikachu alongside him at all in the first place if Pikachu truly was that weak. In all but 1 of his appearances in-game, Red's Pikachu was at a higher level than all of his other Pokemon (in the only exception, all of Red's Pokemon were lv.50), PLUS Pikachu's Light Bal increases his power even more

Although I don't disagree that this is a stomp match, I do disagree with your downplay

But you have literally no proof of this. I was just posting in the Pokemon tier revision thread earlier and was informed that those keys are meant to be for the strongest of their species (I.E Level 100) so unless I was lied to that 8-A key should be the key used for Red's Pikachu.

And what 'downplay'? Pikachu is a statistically weak pokemon. Even with the light ball Pikachu has a BST of 435 which is at least 70 SP weaker than any starter pokemon. Am I meant to just believe Red's Pikachu is above 8-A when Game Pikachu is 8-A and relatively is weak compared to any fully evolved pokemon?

In comparison we have consistent blatant feats of Ash's Pikachu matching and defeating extremely powerful fully evolved pokemon. It has defeated a Tyranitar and Metagross in a row then electrocuted an absurdly powerful Charizard and forced it to its knees. These are all pokemon used by Alain who defeated Malva, an Elite 4 member, with his Charizard. That Charizard could match Ash-Greninja blow for blow in its Mega Evo and could defeat Ash-Greninja when an incomplete Ash-Greninja could fight Diantha's restrained Mega Gardevoir toe to toe.

Essentially speaking you are comparing a Pikachu that can take out multiple fully evolved pokemon (said pokemon are among the most powerful breeds in the entire world) that were raised and trained by an E4-level trainer that has numerous feats of fighting by itself to a high-level of skill to Red's Pikachu. Who has no profile and no feats to warrant such assumptions.

If you want to argue that Red's Pikachu is so amazing because it's Level 88 then I can bring up that fully evolved pokemon that are level 70 and below can one shot it whereas Ash's Pikachu can tank multiple hits from a E4-level Metagross and still win.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Ash FRA.

 

[Theformofacast]

Bump

 

[Mickey1940]

@CryoTheMayo

I'm not saying that Red's Pikachu is as strong as his other pokemon (although there is a posibility that he is). I'm just saying that he should be way stronger than an 8A. Red's Pikachu should be perfectly capable of slapping wild 1st evolution Pokemon like Diglet, Pidgey, and Horsea (and no, not just because he has type advantage over a few of them), who are all 8A

 

[Theformofacast]

Bump

 

[Theformofacast]

Bump

 

[KingEzran]

Ash already had a match with Red (where they used Pokémon). Wouldn't having the same characters battle again be a little redundant?

 

[Theformofacast]

Yes, as I say in the OP.

 

[KingEzran]

Why don't you have him fight Red (Pokémon Adventures)? He has 8-C durability.

 

[Theformofacast]

That looks like a good idea, but the most possible is that the matchup will end in inconclusive.

 

[KingEzran]

True, but it will be more fair and less redundant.

 

[Theformofacast]

I don't know if you have noticed, but this is actually a battle between Red and Ash respective Pikachu.

Anyways, by trying nothing happens .

 

[KingEzran]

You can't say nothing happens. You pretty much just made that 2 seconds ago.

 

[Mickey1940]

Ash already had a match with Red (where they used Pokémon). Wouldn't having the same characters battle again be a little redundant?

This is Ash's Pikachu vs Red's Pikachu, no other pokemon and the trainers themselves don't fight

 

[KingEzran]

Yeah, but if we add it to the pages then Ash will have two matches with the same Red on his profile, same for Red.

 

[KingEzran]

I don't know if you have noticed, but this is actually a battle between Red and Ash respective Pikachu.

Anyways, by trying nothing happens .

Look again.

 

[Theformofacast]

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[Theformofacast]

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