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Though I added your vote, this is not a very good reason. Simply having more hax doesn't equate to winning, specially against someone like Kars that can copy it by looking.TheNeolancer said:
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The battle for Evolution Survival - Mirage Mewtwo vs Novel Kars
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His hax isn't that lethal to Kars, he either resists or adapts and copies. Soul absorb? Kars can survive without his soul. Which was the biggest threat.
Plus he has things Mewtwo has no counter for, like timestop, D4C, and time travel paradox, which Mewtwo has no resistance too any of those.
Ignoring Kars can send billions of duplicates to overwhelm and fight on his behalf and with hax and The World and more.
His hax isn't that lethal to Kars, he either resists or adapts and copies. Soul absorb? Kars can survive without his soul. Which was the biggest threat.
Plus he has things Mewtwo has no counter for, like timestop, D4C, and time travel paradox, which Mewtwo has no resistance too any of those.
Ignoring Kars can send billions of duplicates to overwhelm and fight on his behalf and with hax and The World and more.
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Mewtwo can also duplicate, and I would argue that even faster (Muk).
Mewtwo can also duplicate, and I would argue that even faster (Muk).
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Yes but consider this, Kars uses D4C to grab some dupes, gives them D4c, they go get more dupes and gives them D4C and so on and so forth.
In a few minutes there'd be millions.
Arm them with the world too and that's it.
Plus there's the fact Kars and his dupes could copy Mewtwos duplication for further dupes.
In a few minutes there'd be millions.
Arm them with the world too and that's it.
Plus there's the fact Kars and his dupes could copy Mewtwos duplication for further dupes.
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And its not even unprecedented, Valentine(s) pulled out a 9×9 4 way grid in an instant against kars.
This is ignoring he has far simpler ways to ohko and win at the start of the fight.
This is ignoring he has far simpler ways to ohko and win at the start of the fight.
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And Kars would pull this out right away as well?
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Btw, idk why but M.M. has immunity Negation now so any immunites here are getting negated seemingly.
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And Mewtwo's immunity negation is high 3-A?
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Doesn't need to be. Hax does not work like that, you need resistance to it in order to stop it.
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Yes exactly, he resists GER, who has High 3-A nullification.
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GER doesn't negate immunities, only resistances from what I've heard and seen stated.
Edit: Nvm someone put both types of R.N. on his page more than once, making me think both were different.
Edit: Nvm someone put both types of R.N. on his page more than once, making me think both were different.
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He sets whatever he pleases to zero as long as its in his scope of power, attacks, abilities, resistances, life, death, his own death, etc
And what?
>Ger negates resists, not immunitues.
Immunities are just Resistances, no character is truly immune to anything untill ya get to the higher tiers.
And once again in, its High 3-A nullification, which is literslly, infinitely above Mewtwo so Mewtwos will do nothing.
And what?
>Ger negates resists, not immunitues.
Immunities are just Resistances, no character is truly immune to anything untill ya get to the higher tiers.
And once again in, its High 3-A nullification, which is literslly, infinitely above Mewtwo so Mewtwos will do nothing.
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It's not on his page. If it's not on his page, don't argue it. That's a rule. He has never set some of those things you have named to zero, furthermore. As it currently stands, Kars gets his essence absorbed upon looking at Mewtwo.
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Which is why there's a CRT up, it's there for a reason.
Go take a look at it.
Go take a look at it.
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Seems very much PIS that a Tier 7 or 8 character has resistance to something also infinitely higher than them.
Also nullification?
Also nullification?
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And yes he has, GER has mire feats in the novel than the manga, his nulling his own death is sonething explicitly mentioned.
Plus mewtwo aint exactly the best contender for feats only, hes only shot lasers and the like.
Plus mewtwo aint exactly the best contender for feats only, hes only shot lasers and the like.
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Agreed because this makes it very difficult to discuss. Someone close this please.
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>very much pis that a tier 8 or so has had resistances.
By that logic no tier 9 character has High end hax or resists when that's factually incorrect.
By that logic no tier 9 character has High end hax or resists when that's factually incorrect.
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I'm not saying they shouldnt have good resistances, I'm saying they shouldnt have resistances to something like infinitely beyond them entirely.
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Except he does, because it was explicitly stated and shown to be the case.
Ger is an outright undeniable example and both he and DIO resists him, DIO even killed him.
This is ignoring the fact Kars is stated to be able to outdo all life in story, Giorno included, him being above everything is the plot and it's stated so many times I don't feel like counting, probably be like 50+ times.
Ger is an outright undeniable example and both he and DIO resists him, DIO even killed him.
This is ignoring the fact Kars is stated to be able to outdo all life in story, Giorno included, him being above everything is the plot and it's stated so many times I don't feel like counting, probably be like 50+ times.
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I tend to go up to as long as its biologically or spiritually replicable and up to tier 2-c.
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I mean technically he can beat the Tier 2-B Heaven DIO but anything above 2-C is a NLF as much as I'd like to say otherwise.
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Offtopic, but that's definitely not happening.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
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Except he did exactly that, the thread happened and was done with. Its probably the only 2-B he can beat considering they follow the same rules due to both being jojo.
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Except he didn't, otherwise we would have such a match added. All of HD's hax are on a higher scale than those of Novel Kars and his time stop is infinite plus Reality Warping that negs all of Kars' stands. Novel Kars beating HD sounds absurd and NLF since that's beyond even his own paycheck of hax.
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I mean it was 8 votes in favor of Kars while DIO had zero, it wasn't added because I guess no one cared enough to bother requesting it. And not exactly, Heaven DIO still had trouble with D4C's paradox in the game, which Kars ended up adapting to in the novel, so it's not that cut and dry.
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I read the thread. And I saw NLF. Azzy was even arguing against it, and some votes were "reasons above" based on the same NLFish reasons.
But anyways this is no place to be discussing this since the match here is entirely unrelated so I'll end this talk here.
But anyways this is no place to be discussing this since the match here is entirely unrelated so I'll end this talk here.
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Just as one last thing: HA Dio was also 2-C back then, not 2-B.
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Personally I believe Kars could copy TWOH due to it being a Stand, a concept he already fully understands and due to both being from the same franchise.
Of course this makes it sound like I'm wanking him to 2-B tiers of copy, im not, this is literally the only case on this wiki I'd do so and it's because it's the same franchise so in universe rules apply.
But yes, that's not exactly on topic.
Of course this makes it sound like I'm wanking him to 2-B tiers of copy, im not, this is literally the only case on this wiki I'd do so and it's because it's the same franchise so in universe rules apply.
But yes, that's not exactly on topic.
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No problem, and let's say ok and move on then, otherwise we derail the thread at this point.
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I feel slightly inclined to vote for Kars but I dunno. Might actually consider voting for inconclusive because I can't make a firm decision. Kars has better Regenerationn than Mewtwo (Low-High vs Mid-High) plus access to Reactive Evolution, Bites The Dust and D4CU.
Oh, not sure if someone has stated this, but couldn't Kars use Whitesnake to remove some of Mewtwo's powers via the DISCs?
Oh, not sure if someone has stated this, but couldn't Kars use Whitesnake to remove some of Mewtwo's powers via the DISCs?
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No one has stated that but yes, that is an option.
There's also time travel (has yet to be added to Kars' page) plus a few more new things.
There's also time travel (has yet to be added to Kars' page) plus a few more new things.
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THIS HASN'T ENDED???
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The ride never ends.
