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The battle for Evolution Survival - Mirage Mewtwo vs Novel Kars
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I didn't see your edited reply. Besides when have we not? I'm fairly certain we have because of Rot and SR being dragon.
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Game Mechanics honestly. Unless you want to say ever Fairy and Steel type is resistant to Time and Spatial haxes.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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Whitesnake is ineffective against him and GER's willpower manip is 3-A.
Powerscaling off characters that appear in the novel hed be able to shrug off heavens door considering Giorno thought they were at his mercy (after seeing Rohan use heavens door thousands of times, even on Giorno himself).
Add the fact Valentine and NASA think they can't do anything at all to him while having access to hundreds of Stand users, Rohan included.
Powerscaling off characters that appear in the novel hed be able to shrug off heavens door considering Giorno thought they were at his mercy (after seeing Rohan use heavens door thousands of times, even on Giorno himself).
Add the fact Valentine and NASA think they can't do anything at all to him while having access to hundreds of Stand users, Rohan included.
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@Dragon
Fair point there.
Still, time parodxing would need to be an effective move on Mirage Mewtwo and without dragon it doesnt have any attribute to it. So...would it be stopped or bypass W.G.?
Fair point there.
Still, time parodxing would need to be an effective move on Mirage Mewtwo and without dragon it doesnt have any attribute to it. So...would it be stopped or bypass W.G.?
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Memory manipulation? He forced himself to remember after getting blow up by BTD.
Illusion creation? He has that power himself with Whitesnake.
Illusion creation? He has that power himself with Whitesnake.
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There is a CRT up so moot point there.
And wonder guard isn't stopping paradoxes of any kind It's a NLF.
And wonder guard isn't stopping paradoxes of any kind It's a NLF.
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Wonder Guard would be useless against it.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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Kars can render Pucci's Whitesnake useless, that better?
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How's it low tier? It trapped Jotaro and Jolyne into an illusion like dream world, of which there was multiple layers. Regardless.
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To be fair M.M. is in the same league as that, if not, greater for having the Unowns power.
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Regardless, illusions resists, memeory manip isn't gonna do much due to his feats and to Whitesnake resists and Rohan powerscaling and to top it off higher dimensional willpower manip did nothing.
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Unown is, ironically, unknown. We have no idea how high they are on a dimensional scale, at keast Kars has explicitly shrugged off stuff from Novel GER, who negated his own death, existed in a space and survived universal restrictions and literally one hit and stomped an experienced Pucci who stomped Diavolo and Kira.
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The Unowns reality warping and dimensional manipulating is pretty high, even a single one can merge itself with the minds of others and manipulate its contents. One did that to a Larvitar in the anime. And a group of em are kinda able to make new realities and reshape the pokemon world on a daily basis.
Also just a thought. Wouldnt M.M. be able to avoid time stop by crossing dimensions?
Also just a thought. Wouldnt M.M. be able to avoid time stop by crossing dimensions?
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A Larvitar is a far cry from Kars, who likes to go through people's minds himself and resists it via feats. Ya realize Kars has dimensional travel too? He ain't escaping.
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Assuming he can escape fast enough.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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Would he have access to dimensions that aren't his? Like the Unowns or Deoxys's personal space?
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He can gain access to previous existing ones via D4C yes. And even than Kars would win via BFR if Mewtwo ran.
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The Unown did the same thing it merged with Larvitars mind and teleported Ash, Pikachu Brock and Misty inside the newly merged space.
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Yes And? When it comes to universe and dimensional creation Kars outclasses with d4c and MIH. And he can move objects and people into different worlds with D4C too.
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Going to another dimension with DC4 would also be a loss for Kars since he'd be running to another dimension. Also, teleportating across dimensions to escape a time stop wouldnt mean a loss. That would be like saying time traveling into the past would also be running away.
So DC4 and Unown are pretty much the same. Then what about a large group of them, which is far far more impressive than just a single one?
So DC4 and Unown are pretty much the same. Then what about a large group of them, which is far far more impressive than just a single one?
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D4c can create entire timelines in an instant.
Except how is Mewtwo gonna fight? He runs away? He has to come back eventually and he cant do anything about a time stop.
Kars? He doesn't need to come back, he can send billions of duplicates, armed with whatever of his powers are needed (he armed them with the world in the novel) to fight instead if he so chooses in which case he's still in the fight, or he could even use it to study Mewtwo from a distance and understand him and adapt even without processing his data.
Except how is Mewtwo gonna fight? He runs away? He has to come back eventually and he cant do anything about a time stop.
Kars? He doesn't need to come back, he can send billions of duplicates, armed with whatever of his powers are needed (he armed them with the world in the novel) to fight instead if he so chooses in which case he's still in the fight, or he could even use it to study Mewtwo from a distance and understand him and adapt even without processing his data.
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Basically when ya fight novel Kars there's a chance you're gonna be fighting an endless supply of him.
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Alright. Honestly if this move hits Mewtwo it wouldn't even be addable now since itd clearly an lolstomp.
Kars isnt going to keep time stopped for no reason. As soon as he shuts it off M.M. can come in an attack. Or a duplicate to be safe since he has duplication. Or, since he has information manipulation seemingly, he'd observe the battle from the other space to see whats happening.
Also, is Kars resistant to Dream Manipulating? Because if not, M.M. can use that as well.
Kars isnt going to keep time stopped for no reason. As soon as he shuts it off M.M. can come in an attack. Or a duplicate to be safe since he has duplication. Or, since he has information manipulation seemingly, he'd observe the battle from the other space to see whats happening.
Also, is Kars resistant to Dream Manipulating? Because if not, M.M. can use that as well.
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Kars will stop time for as long as it's needed, if he wants to kill here he's gonna make sure he does indeed kill.
And shut it off? Ya realize it's spanmable at a thought? If fir whatever reason Kars doesn't finish it in a timestop hed just stop time again before Mewtwo reaches him.
And Kars can create an infinite amount of duplicates and he just needs to watch to understand the powers considering he has conceptual understanding.
Kars has dream manip resists via not needing to sleep,ever, like at all, he was up for her 10,000,000,000,000,000+ years and Whitesnake has that power.
And shut it off? Ya realize it's spanmable at a thought? If fir whatever reason Kars doesn't finish it in a timestop hed just stop time again before Mewtwo reaches him.
And Kars can create an infinite amount of duplicates and he just needs to watch to understand the powers considering he has conceptual understanding.
Kars has dream manip resists via not needing to sleep,ever, like at all, he was up for her 10,000,000,000,000,000+ years and Whitesnake has that power.
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...Guess by that reasoning Road - or any Dream manipulator - is a useless character as long as her opponent doesn't sleep mid-battle.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
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And why are almost none of these resistances even listed on his page?
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Hey man, that's not all I said, no need to crucify me for that, hence why I added the Whitesnake bit.
Because his page needs a revision?
This was brought up before this thread was even made.
Because his page needs a revision?
This was brought up before this thread was even made.
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And as it is, ya haven't stated how he avoids time stop+D4C, or time travel paradox. Which both things Kars has on his profile even now.
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Yeah this battle needs to be closed then until revisions are done, which will probably be a stomp afterward anyways.
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I mean look at DIO, he doesnt have time travel despite it being a key plot point that effected the entre story at multiple points ie literally half the book.
