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TF2 Downgrades Part 3
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also the feat in meet the scout is more consistent in 9-A vs 9-b there is one
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That's again, your failure to understand it.00potato said:
They survive hits from the weapons and they are functionally about the same as the weapons you are scaling them to
You cannot just "survive" and then be vaporized, that's not how that works.
I agree that the Cow Mangler isn't 300 Megajoules, since it is as strong as the Rocket Launcher. The anti-feat only happens upon death, which takes a few shots, so it isn't really an anti feat for the Mercs so much as it is one for the weapons.
So essentially you are saying we throw the vaporizing weapons tier out the window and they all stay 9-B, got it.
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Yeah but the weapons have no inherent reason to be in the game, unlike respawning. Different weapons doing different things makes sense outside of the games mechanics anyway. The only reason you are claiming that must gameplay feats are just mechanics is that they contradict your pre-set view rather then any accurate scaling or logic.
They do have inherent reason to be in the game. It's a ******* FPS, they have weapons in them. Different weapons doing different things makes sense outside of game mechanics, but scaling them based on exact damage values doesn't really make sense. I've held this view long before I found out about TF2 having these issues.
There is nothing outside of the gameplay to judge these weapons by so scaling the weapons, since they all can be survived by the same people and do similar things to the non-Vape weapons is the only reasonable option.
Oh, if we're just saying that all weapons are roughly the same because they can all harm/be survived by other characters then that's fine.
You don't need to tank something to scale?? if you can consisabtly survive something, even if you take some damage, you can scale. That is just basic scaling. By that logic no video game character could scale to any bosses in the game due to taking damage from them. If two characters punch each other, and visibly damage each other evenly, they won't scale to each other?
Sorry, when I use "tank" I don't mean "takes absolutely zero damage", I just mean that they don't die from it. I may be using my terms wrong.
But like DDM said, if we're scaling them to taking some damage from these vaporization weapons, then they don't scale to the full vaporization value, since it takes multiple hits to vaporize.
They do have inherent reason to be in the game. It's a ******* FPS, they have weapons in them. Different weapons doing different things makes sense outside of game mechanics, but scaling them based on exact damage values doesn't really make sense. I've held this view long before I found out about TF2 having these issues.
There is nothing outside of the gameplay to judge these weapons by so scaling the weapons, since they all can be survived by the same people and do similar things to the non-Vape weapons is the only reasonable option.
Oh, if we're just saying that all weapons are roughly the same because they can all harm/be survived by other characters then that's fine.
You don't need to tank something to scale?? if you can consisabtly survive something, even if you take some damage, you can scale. That is just basic scaling. By that logic no video game character could scale to any bosses in the game due to taking damage from them. If two characters punch each other, and visibly damage each other evenly, they won't scale to each other?
Sorry, when I use "tank" I don't mean "takes absolutely zero damage", I just mean that they don't die from it. I may be using my terms wrong.
But like DDM said, if we're scaling them to taking some damage from these vaporization weapons, then they don't scale to the full vaporization value, since it takes multiple hits to vaporize.
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ok what example character is 9-C by surviving a knife but some people try to dowgrade because he suffer several atacks from the knif he dies it has alredy said several times the mercenary escale to his weapons an by that logic most of the examples 9-b will be atipicals because are the mercenary resisting his own weapons (who most of the time are support feats)Agnaa said:
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I mean you're not giving much proof that they are
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I just got to say, the knife example is super faulty. Knives don't even have tiers since the kinetic energy of a knife can vary based on the person using it; though the sharpness factor is the part that makes it menacing and not the energy yield.
I mean, two guys moderately damaging each other via punching each other in the face back and forth and eventually killing each other does make sense in a scaling chain. But not something like a heat weapon going from moderate damage to massive overkill just like that. It's not like punches go from simply bruising people to literally causing their entire bodies to explode just like that.
I mean, two guys moderately damaging each other via punching each other in the face back and forth and eventually killing each other does make sense in a scaling chain. But not something like a heat weapon going from moderate damage to massive overkill just like that. It's not like punches go from simply bruising people to literally causing their entire bodies to explode just like that.
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Yes, those are examples of melee weapons being used but regular humans. But a High 4-C character for example could wield a pair of chop sticks with Tier 4 levels of force. At the end of the day, it's the wielder who generates those tiers and not the weapons.
And a lot of those tiers are assumed to be wielded by various 10-A characters.
And a lot of those tiers are assumed to be wielded by various 10-A characters.
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No, actually.DarkDragonMedeus said:
Someone trying to use a *regular* pair of chopsticks with Tier 4 force, without those chopsticks having tier 4 durability, would have those sticks atomize (if we're being super-sciency here, collapse into a black hole because of general relativity). Or in lamen's terms, they'd just break.
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They used the Ki to enhance the durability of the chopsticks. And I know those chopsticks would break normally, but fiction is fiction and plot armor likes this happens all the time. And there are other verses that don't got that shiz.
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So... Did anyone ever calculated that End of the Line Feat?
I feel like it should scale, or at least be calculated.
I feel like it should scale, or at least be calculated.
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I mean... Pyro does have that HadokenDMUA said:
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It was not calculated anywhere near that much; it was only calculated about 1% of that.
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The combined might of three of them sure, but not a single rocket. Also, Scout didn't actually tank it. Surviving =/= tanking; it only took one to break the bones. Implying they shouldn't fully scale.
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Demoman wasn't hit by those rockets, he was on a wheel chair yes, but he didn't even take a hit. And no, tanking something means you took the hit and still able to fight on. By that logic, a lot of fodder characters who scale from top tiers for a lot of verses.
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Yes, this is another example of that. The Scout and Demoman are regularly fodderized by missiles.
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Man it sure is great going back to the same topic over and over again instead of changing it, also isn't it implied they just got overwhelmed? They seemed fine going back into battle after getting healed
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Not to be rude but you just repeat the same thing even if it had been addressed
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You haven't given a single detail, you just kept on spamming random numbers without source. And the changes were already made a long time ago. Save they're only should be 9-A via vaporizing weapons and not durability or striking strength.
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This thread has absolutely nothing to do with D&D... And none of the magic spells in TF2 were calculated and doubt anything would exceed 9-B. Except for vaporizing weapons, but it's already had a bunch of circular reason for why that's paradoxical.
