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tesseract mcu upgrade

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Qawsedf234 said:
I mean, you realize that's my point right? Her power is growing until it matches Odin's as implied in What If Season 2, meaning that Awakened Thor still wasn't as strong as she was and needed Surtur to actually win. So using him to scale to Thanos is also questionable, since he didn't achieve his full strength until he got over his mental hang-ups and worked out again.
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No I don’t what if hela was in her prime as that was during their conquest of the realms also that episode was really janky so I would avoid using it for now as Odin failed to put mortal hela down even when hitting her actually body and not the armor

no awakened thor was a strong as she was or similar power stop ignoring the point of she’s constantly growing meaning he was equal but he’s not strong enough to vape so he’d never actually win and he doesn’t have dc to destroy Asgard to stop her from growing

Ragnarock awakened thor doesn’t scale to Thanos so you’re point is irrelevant the only confirmed version that downscales is endgame thor Thanos being above hela or surtur breaks 0 scaling
 
darkphantom9805 said:
no awakened thor was a strong as she was or similar power stop ignoring the point of she’s constantly growing meaning he was equal but he’s not strong enough to vape so he’d never actually win and he doesn’t have dc to destroy Asgard to stop her from growing
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If Thor doesn't have enough DC to put her or Asgard down, but Surtur easily does in both versions, that means Surtur/Hela/Odin > Thor in this movie.

In fact our profiles themselves reference this, with Hela having a Full Power key that scales to High 6-A, Low 5-B and a normal key that Awakened Thor downscales from. So this idea that he's on her level is rejected in the profile itself.
darkphantom9805 said:
awakened thor doesn’t scale to Thanos so you’re point is irrelevant the only confirmed version that downscales is endgame thor
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Endgame Thor isn't that much weaker than Thor in Infinity War. He only achieves his true power after he accepts himself and trains in L&T.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If Thor doesn't have enough DC to put her or Asgard down, but Surtur easily does in both versions, that means Surtur/Hela/Odin > Thor in this movie.

In fact our profiles themselves reference this, with Hela having a Full Power key that scales to High 6-A, Low 5-B and a normal key that Awakened Thor downscales from. So this idea that he's on her level is rejected in the profile itself.
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Would any of that really cause problems if Thanos also comfortably upscales Awakened Thor physically?
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Would any of that really cause problems if Thanos also comfortably upscales Awakened Thor physically?
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That's why I said it makes scaling weird, since it Thanos closing his hand rather casually > Surtur's max effort death blow.

Which is weird to me, but I get the reasoning. Its why I said I'm neutral regarding the upgrade.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If Thor doesn't have enough DC to put her or Asgard down, but Surtur easily does in both versions, that means Surtur/Hela/Odin > Thor in this movie
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No it doesn’t you know what ap and dc is right ?
Qawsedf234 said:
Endgame Thor isn't that much weaker than Thor in Infinity War. He only achieves his true power after he accepts himself and trains in L&T.
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Weaker you mean stronger he never got weaker he’s literally stated to be stronger then ever getting a double amp from both mjolnir and stormbreaker

again none of this breaks any scaling as the only people who truly scale to this would be Thanos endgame cast or anyone stronger then endgame casts
 
Qawsedf234 said:
That's why I said it makes scaling weird, since it Thanos closing his hand rather casually > Surtur's max effort death blow.

Which is weird to me, but I get the reasoning. Its why I said I'm neutral regarding the upgrade.
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I see. Fair enough.

I suppose I'm also neutral on this. It seems fine to me at a glance, but I'm not familiar enough with MCU scaling on the wiki to determine if it causes issues or not.
 
darkphantom9805 said:
No it doesn’t you know what ap and dc is right ?
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Thor's AC and DC are more or less the exact same considering he can use lightning and he blew up and island in a much weaker form that was about half the size of Asgard.
darkphantom9805 said:
Weaker you mean stronger he never got weaker he’s literally stated to be stronger then ever getting a double amp from both mjolnir and stormbreaker
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We removed that statement as accepted scaling since it conflicts with L&T and we even have a statement directly saying he's weaker in Endgame linked in his AP section.
darkphantom9805 said:
would be Thanos endgame cast or anyone stronger then endgame casts
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Which is basically everyone. Anyone currently scaling to Awakened Thor goes up multiple tiers because they're scaling to Surtur who can one shot people of that tier with his attack.

Its just weird power scaling wise and acting like it isn't doesn't make sense.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Thor's AC and DC are more or less the exact same considering he can use lightning and he blew up and island in a much weaker form that was about half the size of Asgard
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They really aren’t his biggest lightning ever did basically 0 dc in fact his dc arguably gets worse with each film he’s been in like his best dc feat in L&T was on a tiny moon despite being in his prime when all the way his first film he shook a planet and shattered a continent of ice

Qawsedf234 said:
We removed that statement as accepted scaling since it conflicts with L&T and we even have a statement directly saying he's weaker in Endgame linked in his AP section
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No we don’t I was arguing in that thread but was completely ignored and the few who did nobody could debunk me we have explicit screen writer statements that debunked that with Russo bros statements and guide books that supports me

Qawsedf234 said:
Which is basically everyone. Anyone currently scaling to Awakened Thor goes up multiple tiers because they're scaling to Surtur who can one shot people of that tier with his attack.
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No it’s not it would be Thanos fat thor cap Wanda carol that’s literally it

I literally don’t see how it breaks any scaling
 
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darkphantom9805 said:
They really aren’t his biggest lightning ever did basically 0 dc in fact his dc arguably gets worse with each film he’s been in like his best dc feat in L&T was on a tiny moon despite being in his prime when all the way his first film he shook a planet and shattered a continent of ice
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Besides the feat you mentioned, he's capable of breaking an island 6.5 kilometers wide in a weaker form without assistance and Awakened Thor is much stronger. He absolutely has the DC to cover Asgard, he just doesn't have the AP to actually destroy it.
darkphantom9805 said:
No we don’t I was arguing in that thread but was completely ignored and the few who did nobody could debunk me we have explicit screen writer statements that debunked that with Russo bros statements and guide books that supports me
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???

Yes we do, just check the profile:
While weakened and physically not himself,[26] he effortlessly created a storm before fighting Thanos and held his own against him.
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And it links to Chris H. saying Thor was physically not himself and weaker
darkphantom9805 said:
No it’s not it would be Thanos fat thor cap Wanda carol that’s literally it
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It would be:
  • Iron Man (both forms)
  • Wanda
  • Cull Obsidian
  • Hulkbuster 2.0
  • Rescue
  • War Machine
  • Doctor Strange
  • Ant-Man
  • Maw
  • Everyone you mentioned
  • Some others I'm probably forgetting
Like this is a pretty wide upgrade proposal here.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Besides the feat you mentioned, he's capable of breaking an island 6.5 kilometers wide in a weaker form without assistance and Awakened Thor is much stronger. He absolutely has the DC to cover Asgard, he just doesn't have the AP to actually destroy it.
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His best dc is literally in his first film there is no denying by visuals and dc he literally gets worse with pretty much every movie

Qawsedf234 said:
Yes we do, just check the profile:
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Yeah and it shouldn’t went through as literally nobody could debunk me the thread was locked before anything I said could be addressed and the 1 guy who tried failed

Qawsedf234 said:
And it links to Chris H. saying Thor was physically not himself and weaker
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Cool 1 single actor statement don’t take priority over screen writers Russo bros and guide books so again very horrible argument also what makes things worse is he never says he’s weaker he says he wasn’t himself which goes with his fat body there’s 0 proof him gaining a little weight decrease his strength like that also I’m positive actors said goofy statements in the past

Qawsedf234 said:
  • Iron Man (both forms)
  • Wanda
  • Cull Obsidian
  • Hulkbuster 2.0
  • Rescue
  • War Machine
  • Doctor Strange
  • Ant-Man
  • Maw
  • Everyone you mentioned
  • Some others I'm probably forgetting
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Completely wrong tony does not scale the making him bleed is an outlier as Thanos with his bare hand can pop tony suit like balloon tony in endgame armor couldn’t even withstand snapping at a tiny scale compared to Thanos who can wear the gauntlet multiple times take the draw back and snap on a universal scale he was koed from 1 hit by mjolnir Thanos has been hit by a ton and lightning twice

Cull doesn’t scale to tony he’s insanely wanked in IW he wasn’t even doing much to him besides knocking him around not damming him and relied a ton on his weapon which he wouldn’t scale to endgame he cheap shot him

there’s a ton wrong with the characters you listed but I don’t feel writing a book rn on why
 
darkphantom9805 said:
His best dc is literally in his first film there is no denying by visuals and dc he literally gets worse with pretty much every movie
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But you're argument is that he doesn't have the DC to do this. When you yourself have provided explicit evidence that he literally could do this.
darkphantom9805 said:
Cool 1 single actor statement don’t take priority over screen writers Russo bros and guide books so again very horrible argument also what makes things worse is he never says he’s weaker he says he wasn’t himself which goes with his fat body there’s 0 proof him gaining a little weight decrease his strength like that
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You can feel that way, but what is currently on the profile is what we accept as the scaling standard. At the moment we treat IW and Awakened Thor > Endgame Thor strength wise.
darkphantom9805 said:
tony he’s insanely wanked in IW
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Again, you are free to make that claim, but that is not the currently accepted scaling chain. If this upgrade goes through Tony would be upgraded. If you want to change that you would need to make a CRT on why these characters shouldn't scale.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
You can feel that way, but what is currently on the profile is what we accept as the scaling standard. At the moment we treat IW and Awakened Thor > Endgame Thor strength wise.
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Nothing to feel 1 actor statement doesn’t take priority over several statements and guide books make things worse he never directly stated he’s weaker he’s talking about his fat body isn’t his usual jacked self none of that says anything about strength because logically gaining a few pounds doesn’t tank his strength like that

Qawsedf234 said:
But you're argument is that he doesn't have the DC to do this. When you yourself have provided explicit evidence that he literally could do this.
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He does and doesn’t it depends entirely on the director and stuff as his first film dc shows he should vape sokovia instead they needed this elaborate plan to do it and his dc just started getting worse per film

Qawsedf234 said:
Again, you are free to make that claim, but that is not the currently accepted scaling chain. If this upgrade goes through Tony would be upgraded. If you want to change that you would need to make a CRT on why these characters shouldn't scale.
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Dude was overpowered by SpiderMan twice and apparently I heard the the taxi koed him for a little bit you can’t call all of it outliers like they do at some point we go off what’s consistent not what cull thought he could do which is the some of the most flawed logic I’ve ever seen since his master Thanos is dramatically stronger then him so if he believed he got overwhelmed bro would get clowned on especially when he had a literal infinity stone with him
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but we don't allow cross-scaling from What If to the Sacred Timeline, right? So this thread would be null and void.
 
KLOL506 said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but we don't allow cross-scaling from What If to the Sacred Timeline, right? So this thread would be null and void.
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iirc That's only for character based scaling

Here we have an object that we know doesn't really change (to my knowledge) across the multiverse that withstood a feat, and Thanos is completely above it by virtue of having crushed it with his hand.
 
KLOL506 said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but we don't allow cross-scaling from What If to the Sacred Timeline, right? So this thread would be null and void.
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The argument is that since we treat the Infinity Stones as being the same cross scaling wise, feats involving them would transfer over.

So the argument is that the What If Tesseract and MCU Tesseract would more or less be the same. The only real way to say they aren't is to assume the What If version of the tesseract is more durable than the main version.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The argument is that since we treat the Infinity Stones as being the same cross scaling wise, feats involving them would transfer over.

So the argument is that the What If Tesseract and MCU Tesseract would more or less be the same. The only real way to say they aren't is to assume the What If version of the tesseract is more durable than the main version.
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Ah. I remember now.

In that case, wouldn't it be High 6-B since that's what we tier Asgard's destruction at RN?

EDIT: NVM, saw the stuff for the Tesseract.
 
So far I’m neutral on this thread myself. I’m not against Post-Awakening characters like Thanos upscaling Surtur but I want to see what the scaling chain is going to look like now if we go through with this before I make my mind up.
 
Lacku said:
So far I’m neutral on this thread myself. I’m not against Post-Awakening characters like Thanos upscaling Surtur but I want to see what the scaling chain is going to look like now if we go through with this before I make my mind up.
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I haven't found any additional mods yet, only 2 people agree. they are not mods and are neutral from mods. how long do we does it take?
 
Yokoahh5743 said:
I haven't found any additional mods yet, only 2 people agree. they are not mods and are neutral from mods. how long to we does it take?
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Dude my thread of wiccan is almost 2 month old and is not over yet, this one is not even a week old. With Antivasima going on vacation soon this will likely be even slower
 
Lacku said:
So far I’m neutral on this thread myself. I’m not against Post-Awakening characters like Thanos upscaling Surtur but I want to see what the scaling chain is going to look like now if we go through with this before I make my mind up.
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The scaling chain needs a huge revision because if the list that guy said other are people who would be affected this is wack as there’s no way that many people scale to or downscale from thanos
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
I'm not against it on its own, but I think the wide range of upgrades and scaling issues makes it questionable usage wise.
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I’m working on that already like a cull downgrade etc which will take a few out I think this crt should just affect the tesseract until I get the scale chain fixed then make a new crt for the people affected
 
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