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tesseract mcu upgrade

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Yokoahh5743 said:
Durability
The Tesseract only had a small crack after Surtur attacked it with his sword and blast Asgard This should have more durability than H6-A likely 5-B.

Ability
pocket dimension.
The tesseract also appears to be able to create pocket dimensions, where time appears to have no effect on it because it is said to never age
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wasnt the crack due to the fall?
 
It was The watcher said on impact but regardless of what the watcher says we can literally see the cube with are own eyes it has 1 cut down the middle from surtur strike with few cracks around it
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ignoring a direct statment is kinda wack to me. since the crack wasnt from surtur, and instead directly stated by the watcher, whos definitely reliable, to be by the impact. ima have to disagree
 
Swordsaint456 said:
ignoring a direct statment is kinda wack to me. since the crack wasnt from surtur, and instead directly stated by the watcher, whos definitely reliable, to be by the impact. ima have to disagree
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Ugh the watcher has been wrong before he stated he couldn’t predict ultron yet was stated that he actually seen everything the entire fight he claims countless times to literally see everything that can happen yet acts surprised all the time like he doesn’t know what’s going on

The watcher can state what he wants the part that impacted with the earth is fine the side of the cube are fine the top that surtur hit has 1 single cut in the middle impacting the earth doesn’t do that
 
Ugh the watcher has been wrong before he stated he couldn’t predict ultron yet was stated that he actually seen everything the entire fight he claims countless times to literally see everything that can happen yet acts surprised all the time like he doesn’t know what’s going on
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infinity Ultron is a lot different than whether or not Surtur actually cracked the Tesseract or not. I'm inclined to disagree due to this just blatant statement.

The watcher can state what he wants the part that impacted with the earth is fine the side of the cube are fine the top that surtur hit has 1 single cut in the middle impacting the earth doesn’t do that
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why would the watcher state it happened due to the fall if it was indeed surtur. it doesnt make sense
 
Swordsaint456 said:
infinity Ultron is a lot different than whether or not Surtur actually cracked the Tesseract or not. I'm inclined to disagree due to this just blatant statement.
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ugh what dude you aren’t even making sense you said the watcher is 100% a reliable source I said that’s wrong as he states that he couldn’t predict what would happen with ultron then it’s stated that he actually seen every single event that would happen the watcher acts goofy all the time like he’s stated himself and by wog that he literally sees everything then acts surprised several times when stuff happens meaning he contradicts himself strange supreme even says the watcher isn’t always right

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why would the watcher state it happened due to the fall if it was indeed surtur. it doesnt make sense
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Dude do you know how an impacts work the bottom of the cube that actually hit the ground is in tact with no cracks the sides again no cracks until you get to the very top that the very middle of the cube has 1 sword cut exactly where surtur sword hits if you think the impact on earth is stronger then surtur sword strike then that’s a joke
 
Can we talk about that statement that the Tesseract wasn’t damaged by Surtur but by the impact with Earth? That debunks the entire thread and I’m not convinced by the arguments for it.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Can we talk about that statement that the Tesseract wasn’t damaged by Surtur but by the impact with Earth? That debunks the entire thread and I’m not convinced by the arguments for it.
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Again the statement can say what ever it wants not only does it not make since the impact from earth would break it even tho it can eat surtur twilight sword and the explosion of Asgard and even its own space stone energy but

now here comes the big part we have a picture of the tesseract that literally shows the only damage done to the tesseract was where surtur twilight sword hit not the side that the ground impacted with
 
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darkphantom9805 said:
Again the statement can say what ever it wants not only does it not make since the impact from earth would break it but it would eat surtur twilight sword and the explosion of Asgard now here comes the big part we have a picture of the tesseract that literally shows the only damage done to the tesseract was where surtur not sword hit not the ground that impacted
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I mean all of that isn’t exactly strong evidence. It’s stated that the collision is what did it, no? By the Watcher who can see basically everything as long as he’s paying attention? Where the damage is doesn’t matter at all.

Also it’s not like it tanked the full force of Asgard exploding, inverse square law exists. It was stabbed by Surtur’s sword and then Asgard exploded an unknown time afterward, as we know it takes Surtur a bit of time to actually detonate the planet when he buries his sword into it. The Tesseract being at ground Zero is unlikely.

So if the Watcher is saying the collision with Earth is what did it then I’ll believe him. He saw the battle at Asgard and its destruction, so he wouldn’t then lie to basically himself and say that the collision cracked it if Surtur did.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
mean all of that isn’t exactly strong evidence. It’s stated that the collision is what did it, no? By the Watcher who can see basically everything as long as he’s paying attention? Where the damage is doesn’t matter at all.
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It is because you have to prove the guy was right or no? The guy who even stated it has been wrong before the watcher was wrong about not being able to see ultron he claims he sees absolutely everything and couldn’t confirm if baby groot could see him what groot would do next etc same as widow and Hawkeye he didn’t know if Peggy could see him claims to see everything but didn’t expect Wanda summoning Peggy but he claims to see absolutely everything

Kingofwolves999 said:
Also it’s not like it tanked the full force of Asgard exploding, inverse square law exists. It was stabbed by Surtur’s sword and then Asgard exploded an unknown time afterward, as we know it takes Surtur a bit of time to actually detonate the planet when he buries his sword into it. The Tesseract being at ground Zero is unlikely.
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What ? It scales to surtur ap for taking a hit by him and unknown time my guy Asgard started exploding as soon as they clash and stuff have you even seen the full episode?

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Kingofwolves999 said:
So if the Watcher is saying the collision with Earth is what did it then I’ll believe him. He saw the battle at Asgard and its destruction, so he wouldn’t then lie to basically himself and say that the collision cracked it if Surtur did.
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Again the watcher can say what he wants you know why it doesn’t matter

we literally have a pic of the tesseract after it impacted with the earth the tesseract has 1 sword cut on the top and small cracks around the cut from surtur sword and the bottom part that actually hit the earth has no damage
 
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darkphantom9805 said:
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No they're right, its actually stated in the episode verbatim
After the fall of Asgard, the Tesseract took on a second life among Kahhori's ancestors. Breaking on impact, the Cube released unmitigated Space Stone energy, gifting its power to the lake. Warriors, adventurer and other noble tribespeople disappeared into the waters, never to return. Greed and grie ignited a terrible battle amongst the surrounding nations.

In the end, peace was made, and the lake's blood-soaked shore were deemed cursed, deterring all from returning to it. Well, all but one.
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Qawsedf234 said:
No they're right, its actually stated in the episode verbatim
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Doesn’t matter already talked about it statements mean nothing if proven wrong which the show proves it wrong by showing us the damage on the tesseract

You can also interpret it as the impact only messed with the damage already there and isn’t the sole reason for it breaking
 
darkphantom9805 said:
It is because you have to prove the guy was right or no? The guy who even stated has been wrong before the watcher was wrong about not being able to see ultron he claims he sees absolutely everything and couldn’t confirm if baby groot could see him didn’t know if Peggy could see him claims to see everything but didn’t expect Wanda summoning Peggy but he claims to see absolutely everything


What ? It scales to surtur ap for taking a hit by him and unknowingly time my guy Asgard exploding as soon as they clash and stuff have you even seen the full episode?

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Again the watcher can say what he wants you know why it doesn’t matter

we literally have a pic of the tesseract after it impacted with the earth the tesseract has 1 sword cut on the top and small cracks around the cut and the bottom part that actually hit the earth has no damage
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Him seeing it means he is more correct than anyone. He doesn’t know everything but this is an event he is literally looking at, he could not possibly get the details incorrect here. Baby groot, Ultron, etc. are all scenes of PEOPLE noticing his presence or him not knowing their capabilities. That does not mean what he is literally seeing can be wrong. If someone that misjudged the strength of their opponents a lot says that a bus hit someone, would you say they’re wrong because they’ve been wrong before about completely unrelated things?

That crack does not have to be from the sword it could be from impacting earth, what it looks like is irrelevant. Also what are you talking about, we never see the Tesseract on impact??? We see it hit the Earth then a long time later it’s in a lake covered by a cave with legends surrounding it hundreds of years later, it very much so HAD to have moved in that timeframe. It broke on impact then over hundreds of years shifted so the cracked side was facing upwards.

If the Tesseract broke from Surtur, then explain how the people disappeared?? Watcher verbatim explains that it was because it broke ON IMPACT that the lake became infused with its energy. The cracks shape does not matter compared to what he is saying happened.
 
The entire premise of the episode is that because the Tesseract broke on contact with the Earth, its power seeped into the land and gave people powers. That does not happen if Surtur broke it at Asgard, which doesn’t even make sense since if he could crack it he could break the entire thing. Surtur’s sword is massive compared to the tesseract, that cut isn’t even consistent with the damage he would have done to it.

If he hit it the entire front side would be shattered not a cut, his blade is thicker in diameter than the cube itself.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Him seeing it means he is more correct than anyone. He doesn’t know everything but this is an event he is literally looking at, he could not possibly get the details incorrect here. Baby groot, Ultron, etc. are all scenes of PEOPLE noticing his presence or him not knowing their capabilities. That does not mean what he is literally seeing can be wrong. If someone that misjudged the strength of their opponents a lot says that a bus hit someone, would you say they’re wrong because they’ve been wrong before about completely unrelated things?
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No it doesn’t did you not even listen the watcher claims things that aren’t always true the says I see every that that has happen will happen or could could in every universe then goes on to say he can’t see people like ultron but then at the of the episode strange says he could meaning the watcher is not 100% reliable all scenes are not him noticing their presence or capabilities I feel like you just didn’t read he literally acted like he didn’t even know what groot Hawkeye or black widow would do next same as ultron

Kingofwolves999 said:
That crack does not have to be from the sword it could be from impacting earth, what it looks like is irrelevant. Also what are you talking about, we never see the Tesseract on impact??? We see it hit the Earth then a long time later it’s in a lake covered by a cave with legends surrounding it hundreds of years later, it very much so HAD to have moved in that timeframe. It broke on impact then over hundreds of years shifted so the cracked side was facing upwards.
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Yes it does do you not know how impacts work first if it impacted the ground like that it wouldn’t make 1 cut like that on the very top just like a sword cut nothing of that looks anything like something that impacted the earth the bottom part is literally fine my guy the only damage is where surtur sword hit shifted so the crack was facing upwards we’ll now you just debunked yourself 1 that’s head cannon and 2 that’s not how impacts work not even all the area around the 1 sword cut is cracked yet there are still spots that are fine meaning if it flipped like you said that entire area should be cracked badly yet some spots aren’t and it also wouldn’t make a sword cut like cut dead center in the side

Also yes how it look is relevant I can’t believe you seriously just said that

Kingofwolves999 said:
If the Tesseract broke from Surtur, then explain how the people disappeared?? Watcher verbatim explains that it was because it broke ON IMPACT that the lake became infused with its energy. The cracks shape does not matter compared to what he is saying happened.
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How people disappeared from what ? the impact cause it to leak space stone energy from the damage that was already there

Like y’all need to realize use man why on earth would it be able to no sell surtur and the explosion of Asgard and it’s own space stone every yet get shattered by hitting the earth?
 
darkphantom9805 said:
No it doesn’t did you not even listen the watcher claims things that aren’t always true the says I see every that that has happen will happen or could could in every universe then goes on to say he can’t see people like ultron but then at the of the episode strange says he could meaning the watcher is not 100% reliable all scenes are not him noticing their presence or capabilities I feel like you just didn’t read he literally acted like he didn’t even know what groot Hawkeye or black widow would do next same as ultron


Yes it does do you not know how impacts work first if it impacted the ground like that it wouldn’t make 1 cut like that on the very top just like a sword cut nothing of that looks anything like something that impacted the earth the bottom part is literally fine my guy the only damage is where surtur sword hit shifted so the crack was facing upwards we’ll now you just debunked yourself 1 that’s head cannon and 2 that’s not how impacts work not even all the area around the 1 sword cut is completely cracked there are still spots that are fine meaning if it flipped lie, you said that entire area should be cracked badly yet some spots aren’t

Also yes how it look is relevant I can’t believe you seriously just said that


How people disappeared from what ? the impact cause it to leak space stone energy from the damage that was already there

Like y’all people need to use common sense man why on earth would it be able to no sell surtur and the explosion of Asgard and it’s own space stone every yet get shattered by hitting the earth?
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Him being wrong about people is irrelevant. He saw the Tesseract, tracked its movements through space and saw the impact itself. He watched Asgard fall. He can see perfectly fine, his judgements about things people can do are irrelevant. He saw when the cracked happened and it was when it hit the Earth.

Everything else is secondary to that information. Things can fall and hit the ground and crack in ways that are not expected all the time. Several factors are in play with impact literally all the time, claiming that it’s impossible for a crack of that nature to form on the tesseract when we don’t even see the impact itself is ridiculous.

It hit the Earth, cracked, let out energy into the lake and shifted over hundreds of years because that’s how time works. Your headcanon that the watcher didn’t see a crack on the Tesseract while he watched it fly through space towards Earth is incredibly reductive to his abilities.
 
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