EldemadeDityjon
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Before we start, please read the thread fully. I understand what AP and DC mean, and this thread is for discussing the range of the worlds. DC is the more important factor here, so don't start with arguments like "AP can be higher than DC," or similar points that have nothing to do with this thread.
It's not a downgrade thread for cosmology instead it's a downgrade thread for scaling chain.
Current justification for Low 1-C scaling chain
There are countless Otherworlds out there, and some are stated to be vaster than the main universe. However, it should be noted that some points have been left out, which I will address here.
The destructive power required to wipe out the solar system is stated to completely surpass Velgrynd's strength/power.
Some Otherworlds are so small that a fully unleashed True Dragon can erase them from existence. This suggests that certain Otherworlds are smaller than a Solar System in size. If they were larger, the world could potentially contain the destruction without being completely erased.
Official translation thread also stated these are weak fragile small worlds.
This leads to the conclusion that while some worlds are larger than a main universe, others are smaller than a solar system. Thus, the size of Otherworlds varies, ranging from solar system level to low-complex multiverse level (the currently accepted rating for the main universe). Otherworlds contained within some alternate dimensions should also fall within the same range. Simply containing solar system-sized Otherworlds does not make these dimensions universal in range or low-complex multiverse level either.
This leads to the conclusion that Zolaris destroying dimensions could just mean some dimensions that might have contained smaller worlds or hypertimeline-based worlds. However, there is no definitive proof of this. Unless there is evidence that he destroyed dimensions containing specific-sized Otherworlds, his feat should not automatically qualify as affecting hypertimelines.
Additionally, there was a statement about the strength of dimensional walls varying from dimension to dimension, which outright suggests that not all dimensions would be on the same level as Hypertimelines (low complex multiverse-level) durability.
The current Low 1-C rating comes from Rimuru traveling to a past of a hypertimeline that was not destroyed. So far, no one has canonically affected hypertimelines, making it far-fetched to assume that Zolaris can destroy them.
Now that Zolaris's feat is out of the way, Ramiris's Labyrinth isolating dimensions also should not scale to hypertimelines for the same reasons mentioned above. There is no concrete proof that her dimensions are isolating alternate dimensions. Even if this were true, as stated, the size of dimensions varies. Therefore, her Labyrinth should not scale to hypertimeline-based dimensions.
Except for God Veldanava, who created all the worlds in the verse, no one should scale to Hypertimelines. Unless there is a different reasoning than the one used in the profiles, all characters who scale off of True Dragons should be downgraded.
Agree: @Planck69 (Admin)
Neutral:
Disagree:
It's not a downgrade thread for cosmology instead it's a downgrade thread for scaling chain.
Current justification for Low 1-C scaling chain
Problems with scaling Zolaris Dimensions Destroying feat
There are countless Otherworlds out there, and some are stated to be vaster than the main universe. However, it should be noted that some points have been left out, which I will address here.
The destructive power required to wipe out the solar system is stated to completely surpass Velgrynd's strength/power.
Some Otherworlds are so small that a fully unleashed True Dragon can erase them from existence. This suggests that certain Otherworlds are smaller than a Solar System in size. If they were larger, the world could potentially contain the destruction without being completely erased.
Official translation thread also stated these are weak fragile small worlds.
This leads to the conclusion that while some worlds are larger than a main universe, others are smaller than a solar system. Thus, the size of Otherworlds varies, ranging from solar system level to low-complex multiverse level (the currently accepted rating for the main universe). Otherworlds contained within some alternate dimensions should also fall within the same range. Simply containing solar system-sized Otherworlds does not make these dimensions universal in range or low-complex multiverse level either.
This leads to the conclusion that Zolaris destroying dimensions could just mean some dimensions that might have contained smaller worlds or hypertimeline-based worlds. However, there is no definitive proof of this. Unless there is evidence that he destroyed dimensions containing specific-sized Otherworlds, his feat should not automatically qualify as affecting hypertimelines.
Additionally, there was a statement about the strength of dimensional walls varying from dimension to dimension, which outright suggests that not all dimensions would be on the same level as Hypertimelines (low complex multiverse-level) durability.
The current Low 1-C rating comes from Rimuru traveling to a past of a hypertimeline that was not destroyed. So far, no one has canonically affected hypertimelines, making it far-fetched to assume that Zolaris can destroy them.
Now that Zolaris's feat is out of the way, Ramiris's Labyrinth isolating dimensions also should not scale to hypertimelines for the same reasons mentioned above. There is no concrete proof that her dimensions are isolating alternate dimensions. Even if this were true, as stated, the size of dimensions varies. Therefore, her Labyrinth should not scale to hypertimeline-based dimensions.
Conclusion
The Low 1-C rating currently lacks sufficient justification. Feats attributed to Zolaris, Ramiris Labyrinth, and other characters should be re-evaluated based on the nature and scale of the dimensions they affect. Unless concrete evidence is provided to prove interaction with hypertimelines, it is unreasonable to scale their power to Low 1-C.
Except for God Veldanava, who created all the worlds in the verse, no one should scale to Hypertimelines. Unless there is a different reasoning than the one used in the profiles, all characters who scale off of True Dragons should be downgraded.
Agree: @Planck69 (Admin)
Neutral:
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.size has absolutely nothing to do with it. Veldanava created it so it is just durable asf. It is so durable that Santanal Milim (who is literally one of the strongest in the whole verse ) way stronger than even current velgrynd let alone vol 15 version. Can’t even destroy the planet let alone the solar system. Let us look at the people who accomplished this.
