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TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 1

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since I am assuming that you want scans for hell.

1.) a spiritual universe is a place filled with magicules.a place where spiritual beings live .


2.)hell. The world of darkness/demon world/underworld . Is a spiritual world of void







3.)that is to say that hell. A spiritual world/void nonexistence would be made of magicules. Just like how spiritual lifeforms are.


4.)subspace is nonexistence that lacks even magicules that make up the nonexistence of hell. So it isn’t just deeper nonexistence. It is entirely different in nature from what nonexistence is, to the point that nonexistence itself doesn’t exist there.

There is absolutely nothing.
This was nothingness, a complete and utter "nonexistence".


Let me clarify one thing here: Subspace lacking Magicules and Hell/Underworld Void having Magicules doesn't mean Subspace is beyond conventional nothingness. Do you know why?

On the NEP page, there are types and aspects for nothingness. You need more supporting evidence to claim that Subspace is beyond conventional nothingness.

For example:

Void from Hell = NEP type 1, aspect 1

Then Subspace = NEP type 1, aspects 1 and 2 (lacks Magicules)

So, Subspace doesn't have to be beyond conventional nothingness just because it lacks Magicules. Void from Hell and Subspace can still both be NEP type 1 only. Just because it lacks Magicules doesn’t mean it should qualify as NEP type 2.

I hope you understand this. I can't explain it in simpler terms.

This is just an example, so aspects still need to be discussed, but I'll leave that to another thread.
 
In a few more hours, I'll apply the changes.

Aspects can be discussed in a different thread, I guess. Besides, it's not like there were any aspects listed for NEP type 2 in the profile to begin with.
 
Let me clarify one thing here: Subspace lacking Magicules and Hell/Underworld Void having Magicules doesn't mean Subspace is beyond conventional nothingness. Do you know why?

On the NEP page, there are types and aspects for nothingness. You need more supporting evidence to claim that Subspace is beyond conventional nothingness.

For example:

Void from Hell = NEP type 1, aspect 1

Then Subspace = NEP type 1, aspects 1 and 2 (lacks Magicules)

So, Subspace doesn't have to be beyond conventional nothingness just because it lacks Magicules. Void from Hell and Subspace can still both be NEP type 1 only. Just because it lacks Magicules doesn’t mean it should qualify as NEP type 2.

I hope you understand this. I can't explain it in simpler terms.

This is just an example, so aspects still need to be discussed, but I'll leave that to another thread.
This could be the case if not for the fact that magicules is what makes it nonexistence in the first place.

Spiritual things are made up of magicules. The nonexistence of hell is no different. Magicules are making up the void of hell.they aren’t just something that exists inside. It makes up its very composition


So subspace lacking magicules means that it lacks even what makes nonexistence,nonexistent.it exists before and after everything including even veldanava (avatar) which made everything. So it would still exist before the very notation of nonexistence since that is based on magicules

so I don’t see how lacking nonexistence itself is just another aspect. Also shouldn’t a void by nature lack everything already?
In a few more hours, I'll apply the changes.

Aspects can be discussed in a different thread, I guess. Besides, it's not like there were any aspects listed for NEP type 2 in the profile to begin with.
I am pretty sure it was all aspects since it was nonexistence to literally everything in tensura
 
For example:

Void from Hell = NEP type 1, aspect 1

Then Subspace = NEP type 1, aspects 1 and 2 (lacks Magicules)

So, Subspace doesn't have to be beyond conventional nothingness just because it lacks Magicules. Void from Hell and Subspace can still both be NEP type 1 only. Just because it lacks Magicules doesn’t mean it should qualify as NEP type 2.
I hope you understand this. I can't explain it in simpler terms.
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@EldemadeDityjon & @Dog3352

1. So first off for Veldanava to have nep2, he needs to already have nep1.

And from what I understand the baseline of nep1 isn't nonexistence but incorporeality. (Probably wrong) And True Dragons don't need a body, soul, or core. Their self is a manifestation of people's faith. They use avatars to interact with the world. So he would have incorporeality.

2. And second, we need a duality of nonexistence and existence. I need to prove darkness = negative energy.

Well, Negative Energy is called the "fangs of darkness." And it comes from the underworld which is a realm of darkness
 
2. And second, we need a duality of nonexistence and existence. I need to prove darkness = negative energy.

Well, Negative Energy is called the "fangs of darkness." And it comes from the underworld which is a realm of darkness
Why the hell are you using this ability as an argument again? It is also a Nihility Magic, its ability to invoke the void and the fact that it is a Nihility Magic (magic that invokes the void of hell), darkness (Fangs of Darkness) and the void invoked by the ability are two completely different things.
@Lycoris4812

By the way, I just found this about the Nihilistic Banish (vol 20 chapter 3) spell, which proves what I said earlier (Nilistic Banish invokes the void of hell, and is not the void itself).

And also this about the "Fangs of Darkness" (vol 20 chapter 23). Fangs of Darkness is just the Nihilstic Banish spell with the highest AoE (Nihilistic Baniash = magic that invokes the void of hell), which makes it clear that Fangs of Darkness also invokes the void of hell, as it is literally the Nihilistic Banish (only with highest AoE and another name).

Addition/edit:

Other magic this was used as main argument for "Darkness Magic = Void" (which is also said to invoke the void of hell, as seen by the part in bold, thus being just another spell that invokes the void of a place, not a spell that is the void itself): https://gyazo.com/d125dcb5f9d21a6dd15475e896caf02a

Nihilistic Banish/Vanish, Fangs of Darkness, nor the magic in this scan should be used as an argument for "Darkness = void", as they are all abilities that INVOKE the void that exists in hell, they are not the void itself.
 
Why the hell are you using this ability as an argument again? It is also a Nihility Magic, its ability to invoke the void and the fact that it is a Nihility Magic (magic that invokes the void of hell), darkness (Fangs of Darkness) and the void invoked by the ability are two completely different things.
I think you misunderstood me, or I misunderstood you. I'm trying to say that the darkness in hell, is negative energy.
 
I think you misunderstood me, or I misunderstood you. I'm trying to say that the darkness in hell, is negative energy.
The point is that you are wrong, negative energy is the void itself, not the darkness, and the statement itself makes it obvious that the negative energy comes from the void invoked by the claws, not the claws themselves.

One thing that supports this is that the "Fangs of Darkness" are just a version that summons AND controls the void of hell and has greater AoE than Nihilistic Banish.

Basically: Both have Negative Energy, and both are spells that invoke the void (Fangs of Darkness also controls it, unlike Nihilistic Banish), so clearly the Negative Energy comes from the void.

Another thing that supports this is the fact that Negative Energy is only mentioned in Nihility magic, which is the only type of magic that invokes the void.
 
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The point is that you are wrong, negative energy is the void itself, not the darkness, and the statement itself makes it obvious that the negative energy comes from the void invoked by the claws, not the claws themselves.
You think the fangs/claws are the spell?

"Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear."

It doesn't look like the fangs of darkness are a part of the spell. Unless I'm missing something.
 
You think the fangs/claws are the spell?

"Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear."

It doesn't look like the fangs of darkness are a part of the spell. Unless I'm missing something.
You are forgetting this:
And also this about the "Fangs of Darkness" (vol 20 chapter 23). Fangs of Darkness is just the Nihilstic Banish spell with the highest AoE (Nihilistic Baniash = magic that invokes the void of hell), which makes it clear that Fangs of Darkness also invokes the void of hell, as it is literally the Nihilistic Banish (only with highest AoE and another name).
As written in the 3 scans, the Fangs of Darkness is literally the Nihiliatic Banish, it just has higher AoE, another name, and is capable of manipulating the void, the void (which you think is darkness) that comes from the Fangs of Darkness is the emptiness of hell.

Besides, don't think it's "darkness" just because it's described as being "dark", the void is also dark, the "fangs of darkness" and the black dots themselves are the void of hell, and the scan itself say that.

"Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear."

Both the claws themselves and the countless black dots are the manipulation of the void itself/are the void itself (the statement makes this very clear), a void summoned from hell (all Nihility Magic invokes the void from hell, Fangsnof Darkness being basically just a version superior in some things to Nihility Banish would not be out of this).
 
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You are forgetting this:

As written in the 3 scans, the Fangs of Darkness is literally the Nihiliatic Banish, it just has higher AoE, another name, and is capable of manipulating the void, the void (which you think is darkness) that comes from the Fangs of Darkness is the emptiness of hell.
It never says the fangs of darkness are Nihilsitic Banish. (At least in the scans you provided). Darkness is only mentioned in this scan. Everything else is talking about dark magic.

The void isn't coming from the darkness, it is the darkness. Because like the void it is "released." The "fangs of darkness" is the "void unleashed in this world." And it "filled the inside of the magic circle barrier." Therefore it can't be the magic circle itself. It's the Negative energy that annihilates everything in the barrier.
 
It never says the fangs of darkness are Nihilsitic Banish. (At least in the scans you provided). Darkness is only mentioned in this scan. Everything else is talking about dark magic.

The void isn't coming from the darkness, it is the darkness. Because like the void it is "released." The "fangs of darkness" is the "void unleashed in this world." And it "filled the inside of the magic circle barrier." Therefore it can't be the magic circle itself. It's the Negative energy that annihilates everything in the barrier.
This thread is aleady accepted (funny how they got all the votes so fast). No point in keep talking, expecially with people that don't know what they are saying. We can just make another crt later.
 
It never says the fangs of darkness are Nihilsitic Banish. (At least in the scans you provided). Darkness is only mentioned in this scan. Everything else is talking about dark magic.


Read it right.

This was the dark magic Nihilistic Banish, which Ultima and others excelled at. It was terrifying magic that devoured the target with the emptiness that came out of hell. Furthermore, this magic's range could be expanded. This time, Gadra had set the area of influence as the entire battlefield. He exerted all his mana into Nihilistic Banish' and completed it as Nihilistic Parade,' the magic of wide-area extermination. Just as the magician intended, an extremely large magic circle appeared on the ground and in the sky.

Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear.
 


Read it right.

There's nothing there that suggests the fangs of darkness are the magic circle.

This was the dark magic Nihilistic Banish, which Ultima and others excelled at. It was terrifying magic that devoured the target with the emptiness that came out of hell. Furthermore, this magic's range could be expanded. This time, Gadra had set the area of influence as the entire battlefield. He exerted all his mana into Nihilistic Banish' and completed it as Nihilistic Parade,' the magic of wide-area extermination. Just as the magician intended, an extremely large magic circle appeared on the ground and in the sky.
Yeah, he expands the magic circle but nowhere does it say the fangs of darkness is the magic circle.
Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced countless numbers of dark spots were released.
The magic circle was already created. The dark spots that are being "released" and not created like a magic circle. The dark spots are negative energy.
They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter.
Does it make sense for the magic circle to devour matter? The point of the spell, as you said is summoning negative energy to destroy stuff.
It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear.
The magic circle already exists, the dark spots/fangs of darkness/negative energy are being "unleashed" to destroy within the barrier.
 
There's nothing there that suggests the fangs of darkness are the magic circle.
I never said that the claws are a magic circle, the claws are the void itself that is being invoked, it is described in the scan itself.
Besides, don't think it's "darkness" just because it's described as being "dark", the void is also dark, the "fangs of darkness" and the black dots themselves are the void of hell, and the scan itself say that.

"Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear."

Both the claws themselves and the countless black dots are the manipulation of the void itself/are the void itself (the statement makes this very clear), a void summoned from hell (all Nihility Magic invokes the void from hell, Fangsnof Darkness being basically just a version superior in some things to Nihility Banish would not be out of this).

Yeah, he expands the magic circle but nowhere does it say the fangs of darkness is the magic circle.
Same thing as above.
The magic circle was already created. The dark spots that are being "released" and not created like a magic circle. The dark spots are negative energy.
The dark spots are the void itself, just look at what I said above, your interpretation that the claws are darkness just because they are called dark has no evidence to support this.
Does it make sense for the magic circle to devour matter? The point of the spell, as you said is summoning negative energy to destroy stuff.
Still the same thing as what I said earlier.
The magic circle already exists, the dark spots/fangs of darkness/negative energy are being "unleashed" to destroy within the barrier
Still the same thing as what I said earlier.
 
I never said that the claws are a magic circle, the claws are the void itself that is being invoked, it is described in the scan itself.
That's what I'm trying to say.
The dark spots are the void itself, just look at what I said above, your interpretation that the claws are darkness just because they are called dark has no evidence to support this.
The evidence is that the fangs of darkness which you agreed is negative energy is called darkness and comes from the underworld which is the core realm of darkness.
 
@Lycoris4812

Everything I say is supported by scans and supporting evidence.

Nihility Magic is a type of magic that summons the void of hell;
Nihilistic Banish is a Nihility Magic, and it summons the void of hell;
Here is another Nihility Nagic invoking the void of hell (I believe there is already more than enough proof that all Nihility Magic invoke the void of hell);
Fangs of Darkness is also a Nihility Magic, being basically a version of Nihilistic Banish that is superior in certain aspects (so it's natural to say that Fangs of Darkness invokes the void, besides being a Nihility Magic, it is literally the same magic as Nihilistic Banish, which invokes the void of hell);

Because what Fangs of Darkness invokes ISN'T darkness? Simple.

Not only would this go against what Nihility Magic itself would be, since Nihility Magic invokes and uses the void, not darkness, in addition to being literally Nihilistic Banish, which invokes the void, there is the fact that it is only necessary a right interpretation to see what is happening.

Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear.

Right after talking about the black dots and the "Fangs of Darkness", it is said that both are the manipulation of the void, literally saying that the black dots and claws are the void itself that is being summoned from hell ("It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void"), basically making it clear that the Fangs of Darkness and the black dots are the void being manipulated, and not the darkness, in addition to being said "The void unleashed", clearly being the void of hell, and the void is "being unleashed" from somewhere (hell), and he says that "The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero", literally directly saying that the ability/darkness is the void, not the element of darkness.

Argument for the Fangs of Darkness to be darkness: the black dots and claws are stated as "dark"...

Counter argument: The void itself is also dark and stated as being dark, so that doesn't prove it is darkness, It's just void of the hell.
 
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Nihility Magic is a type of magic that summons the void of hell;
Nihilistic Banish is a Nihility Magic, and it summons the void of hell;
Here is another Nihility Nagic invoking the void of hell (I believe there is already more than enough proof that all Nihility Magic invoke the void of hell);
Yeah, I agree with this.
Fangs of Darkness is also a Nihility Magic, being basically a version of Nihilistic Banish that is superior in certain aspects (so it's natural to say that Fangs of Darkness invokes the void, besides being a Nihility Magic, it is literally the same magic as Nihilistic Banish, which invokes the void of hell);
But the fangs of darkness isn't the spell. It is what is "released" after the spell/magic circle is created. The spell is called Nihilistic Parade.
Because what Fangs of Darkness invokes ISN'T darkness? Simple.
But the fangs of darkness isn't the spell. Nihilistic Parade the spell, "releases" the fangs of darkness.
Not only would this go against what Nihility Magic itself would be, since Nihility Magic invokes and uses the void, not darkness, in addition to being literally Nihilistic Banish, which invokes the void, there is the fact that it is only necessary a right interpretation to see what is happening.
Nihility magic is a higher form of dark magic. And the Void = the darkness. So nothing is being contradicted.
Argument for the Fangs of Darkness to be darkness: the black dots and claws are stated as "dark"...
That's not all. The spell Nihilistic Parade, "releases" dark spots that are the fangs of darkness. This is inside the magic circle that has already been created. The darkness is the void being "unleashed." And we know the negative energy comes from the underworld which is the core realm of darkness.
Counter argument: The void itself is also dark and stated as being dark, so that doesn't prove it is darkness, It's just void of the hell.

Ignoring the "it's darkness because it's called dark" argument, since the void itself is also dark, the black dots and claws are clearly just the void, as is stated.
What do you think darkness is? I'm not trying to say the Great Spirit of Darkness is negative energy. I'm trying to say the underworld is nonexistent.
 
But the fangs of darkness isn't the spell. It is what is "released" after the spell/magic circle is created. The spell is called Nihilistic Parade.
Fangs of Darkness is the void itself being released.
Right after talking about the black dots and the "Fangs of Darkness", it is said that both are the manipulation of the void, literally saying that the black dots and claws are the void itself that is being summoned from hell ("It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void"), basically making it clear that the Fangs of Darkness and the black dots are the void being manipulated, and not the darkness, in addition to being said "The void unleashed", clearly being the void of hell, and the void is "being unleashed" from somewhere (hell), and he says that "The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero", literally directly saying that the ability/darkness is the void, not the element of darkness.
But the fangs of darkness isn't the spell. Nihilistic Parade the spell, "releases" the fangs of darkness
I'm saying that the Fangs of Darkness are the void, not the darkness, I never claimed that the Fangs of Darkness is the spell.
Nihility magic is a higher form of dark magic. And the Void = the darkness. So nothing is being contradicted.
There is no proof that "darkness = void", the void being called "dark" or "darkness" does not prove that the void is the element of darkness, the void is already dark, but it is not the element of darkness.
That's not all. The spell Nihilistic Parade, "releases" dark spots that are the fangs of darkness. This is inside the magic circle that has already been created. The darkness is the void being "unleashed." And we know the negative energy comes from the underworld which is the core realm of darkness.
It is not being released "the darkness of the void", it is being released "the void", which is naturally dark, but is not the element of darkness.
What do you think darkness is? I'm not trying to say the Great Spirit of Darkness is negative energy. I'm trying to say the underworld is nonexistent.
The word "darkness" and "dark" is just being used to say that the void is dark/black, not that it is the element of darkness itself.

"countless numbers of dark spots" because the dots are black...

I mean, the scan itself says that the "Fangs of Darkness" is a manipulation of the void, and not that it "is the darkness" or "os the darkness of the void": "They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void."
 
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Fangs of Darkness is the void itself being released.
The fangs of darkness is the void? Cause that's what I'm trying to say.
I'm saying that the Fangs of Darkness are the void, not the darkness, I never claimed that the Fangs of Darkness is the spell.
(Fangs of Darkness is also a Nihility Magic, being basically a version of Nihilistic Banish that is superior in certain aspects) You worded it weirdly.
There is no proof that "darkness = void", the void being called "dark" or "darkness" does not prove that the void is the element of darkness, the void is already dark, but it is not the element of darkness.
I'm not trying to say the void is the element of darkness. I'm trying to say the fangs of darkness is the void. And since it comes from the core realm of darkness, that realm is almost nonexistent if not completely nonexistent.
It is not being released "the darkness of the void", it is being released "the void", which is naturally dark, but is not the element of darkness.

The word "darkness" and "dark" is just being used to say that the void is dark/black, not that it is the element of darkness itself.

"countless numbers of dark spots" because the dots are black...

I mean, the scan itself says that the "Fangs of Darkness" is a manipulation of the void, and not that it "is the darkness" or "os the darkness of the void": "They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void."
I'm trying to say Underworld = nonexistent because demons that come from the Great Spirit of Darkness are made of the composition of the underworld. Meaning the Great Spirit of Darkness is nonexistent.
Anyways I'm going to bed.
 
The fangs of darkness is the void? Cause that's what I'm trying to say.
You were saying that the Fangs of Darkness was an elemental magic of darkness, and that "Darkness = void", there is a difference between the Fangs of Darkness being literally/just the void, and being the element of darkness and void at the same time.
(Fangs of Darkness is also a Nihility Magic, being basically a version of Nihilistic Banish that is superior in certain aspects) You worded it weirdly.
Fangs of Darkness is a Nilihity Magic, except that it is the invoked void itself.
I think I expressed this part poorly.
I'm not trying to say the void is the element of darkness. I'm trying to say the fangs of darkness is the void. And since it comes from the core realm of darkness, that realm is almost nonexistent if not completely nonexistent.
I think you should have expressed it better than saying that "darkness = void".
But unless there is a statement that says that hell itself is void, or that the entire interior of hell is void, the only thing we can conclude is that hell is a realm that contains void.
I'm trying to say Underworld = nonexistent because demons that come from the Great Spirit of Darkness are made of the composition of the underworld. Meaning the Great Spirit of Darkness is nonexistent.
Anyways I'm going to bed.
As far as we know, the only non-existent thing is the void (Negative Energy would need proof), which we don't know if it is what hell is made of, as far as the statements say, we can only say that there is a void in hell, since there is no there is evidence that the entire interior of hell is a void, that hell is composed of void, or that hell itself is a void, so we cannot say that "underworld = nonexistence".
 
I never said that the claws are a magic circle, the claws are the void itself that is being invoked, it is described in the scan itself.



Same thing as above.

The dark spots are the void itself, just look at what I said above, your interpretation that the claws are darkness just because they are called dark has no evidence to support this.
Oml. Your lack of reading comprehension is insane.fangs of darkness is literally referring to the DARK MAGIC spell. It is literally the most powerful dark magic spell. Therefore the fangs of darkness. This is something simple to understand.
 
Disbelief is something for everyone (grace period is over anyway).
Hey bro. I removed NEP type 1 and 3. But this multi location was already there along with NEP type 1 and 3. So don't know how to reword this. Can you handle this?
 
Oml. Your lack of reading comprehension is insane.fangs of darkness is literally referring to the DARK MAGIC spell. It is literally the most powerful dark magic spell. Therefore the fangs of darkness. This is something simple to understand.
Nilihity Magic itself are Dark Magic spells, but they all invoke the void of the hell, not the element of darkness, I've said this several times, you're the one who should pay attention to the comments before writing.
Nihility Magic is a type of magic that summons the void of hell;
Fangs of Darkness is also a Nihility Magic, being basically a version of Nihilistic Banish that is superior in certain aspects (so it's natural to say that Fangs of Darkness invokes the void, besides being a Nihility Magic, it is literally the same magic as Nihilistic Banish, which invokes the void of hell);
Nihilistic Parede: Dark Magic spell (Nihility Magic)
Fangs of Darkness: void of hell that is invoked from the Nihilistic Parede spell
 
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