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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 9

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Milly Rocking Bandit said:
And it opens up way more potential matches. Sadly, they'll be mostly Rimuru based. I want Benimaru, Diablo, Zegion, and Dino matches!
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I do like that they are Rimuru's based because when missing abilties are remembered usually for food chains or missing resistances then they were is usually added from a CRT that affect most of the entire verse characters and making them more overpowered.
 
But as I said, the upgrade of Ultimate Skills to 4D in general would affect ALL Ultimate Skill users, not just Rimuru.

How would one formulate the CRT for it though? Seems like a pain since you'd need scans for some of the most basic premises of the story to prove it.
 
I know, I'm saying that if US were upgraded to 4-D, it would give a HUGE variety of matches. But they'd mostly only be Rimuru ones.

As for a CRT, we already have all the evidence we need. The CRT you made that gave Tenslime characters Acasuality 1 & 4, and CP's blog that magic/lower skills (we REALLY need to decide if skills in the WN are magic or not) don't work on US.
 
Actually, Unique Skills are "normally" included in terms of being negated in front of Ultimate Skills. Clayman's Unique Skill "Puppeteer" failed against Milim due to her Ultimate Skill, after all, or at least so she says. That's in the WN.

As for LN, Clayman uses a sort of magic item instead and it's said in general that Ultimate Skills are not affected by "lower abilities".


BTW, this might work well for LN Rimuru's Demon Lord quote:

"Right, I've mentioned before, I don't care whether I become Demon Lord or not. I just want to create a country satisfactory for myself. I need human help in that aspect, that's why I've decided to protect the humans. If anyone dares to intrude, whether they be humans, Demon Lords or the Saints Church, they are all my enemies."
 
I want to hear CP's general opinion on the 4D US first. If he clearly says "no", then it would likely be a waste of time to even work on it.
 
It effected other universes, the one where Tempest was destroyed and Rimuru was "killed" by Hinata, but it was speculated that he might've actually survived and obtained an Ultimate Skill.
 
That wasn't another universe but the same one, events happened and Chloe went back in time in the same universe to before said events happened.

That's just travelling to the past.

Regardless though, we apparently treat time abilities as 4-D in general so not relevant to the points brought up i guess.
 
Well as i already said the potency of the time loop isn't really relevant, what's being argued here is that cause US grants 4-D acausality they are 4-D.

Not sure if we have evidence of this, idk about scaling all the abilities and resistances to 4-D, just cause an aspect of the ability is shown to be that.
 
I am talking about the effects of pre-established harmony. The span of the timeloop spans several centuries during which a considerable number of otherworlders were summoned. It'd be problematic if the different universes were not synchronized and discrepancies were to happen, like the incorrect person being summoned, or the summon ritual "missing" the target and failing unlike previous timelines due there being no "correction effect" on the other side. Vice versa for situations where a summon that failed in previous timelines ends up succeeding this time.

I mean how would this work without the pre-established harmony affecting all involved universes?
 
What about Beelzebub? I cant give you raw atm, but you can find it in chapter 18 visit to the unknown
 

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Here. I put the ruby text into round brackets because the ruby text doesn't seem to get copy&pasted correctly.
 
Well... notice how this was made by DasRay as well. And some of the content contradicts his own translation and there are some mix-ups between WN canon and LN canon here or there. But though I only read up until the point of things that were translated, among those most things were mostly correct and at least more reliable than some of the "spoilers" on Reddit, as you say.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Well... notice how this was made by DasRay as well. And some of the content contradicts his own translation and there are some mix-ups between WN canon and LN canon here or there. But though I only read up until the point of things that were translated, among those most things were mostly correct and at least more reliable than some of the "spoilers" on Reddit, as you say.
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Which ones? Legit curious since I've read all of the english released material.
 
Ok yeah I'm reading it now and there's definetly a few things wrong. Like the Falmas Army numbered in 20k not 15k and it was Roy who got killed not Louis.
 
I remember something; a few thread back, we discussed the possibiltity of Tier 6-A from Carrera, a Primordial demon, who Rimuru's surbordinate. This subordinate used Gravity Collapse that could destroy the entire Great forest as explained here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2692158#105


If the feat is 6-A and Diablo did, in fact, beats Carrera to follow RImuru, I think a new tier for the top tier would be needed because the plot about these demons was that Diablo went to hell to beat Demons into following Rimuru. Rimuru might also scaled so he also name her. This plot looks to start from Volume 11 to 13.
 
I don't understand this. They are already 6-A. Or do you mean the LN? Because I am not sure if we can really do that.
 
NeoSuperior said:
I don't understand this. They are already 6-A. Or do you mean the LN? Because I am not sure if we can really do that.
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Sorry, this case was before the LN and WN separation. In any case, the feat would be 6-A based on the description.

Diablo wanted in hell to recruit Demons like Carrera to follow Rimuru in the WN and I predicted it would be the same in LN Volume 11 because it seems like little change. By the logic, Diablo, those scaling to him and stronger than him would be 6-A. 10x stronger multipler from Demon Slime or Awekened Demon Lord might be disregarded, as well.
 
I mean High 7-A is lowballed in the first place since it's the only solid feat we have for the LN up until now. And the 10x increase is only about magicule capacity, not actual power-output. The capacity is IIRC never below the output most of the time, but the output can be higher if the magicules are used consierably more efficiently.

There is also a difference in potency for Skills.
 
Yeah. the LN feats are low-balled:

I do remember cases that might put the mid-tier as Small Country level, Country level or Higher:

About Shogo Taguchi

That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime, Vol. 5 CHAPTER 2 PRELUDE TO CALAMITY

If he weren't being subdued by the controlling magic placed upon him during the summon, he'd be a bomb big enough to raze an entire natio.


About Arc Demons, Special Rank A, Rank A adventurers:

Larzen recalls now. This Diablo, who has been sitting casually in front of him, is a terrifying demon.

An Archdemon9——No, he said he isn't kind (cheap) like that On top of that, even an Archdemon alone would be quite a threat. If he was to appear in some smaller country, he would have caused a crisis that could bring the whole nation to its demise. That's why they are categorized as Calamity——Threat level up to Special Rank A. Basic magic barriers would not stand effective. He could easily destroy a nation's defense by unleashing a bit more of his Youki (demonic aura). He may even be capable of crushing his enemies one-sidedly using magic alone. Adventurers below Rank A wouldn't stand a chance against him.
 
Yea but IIRC we already discussed similar statements and came to the conclusion that they were "too vague". One things that might enlighten us a bit would be the manga showing us Razen's Nuclear Magic (used against unnamed Diablo) in a few months. If we are lucky it can be used as a basis for a calc for the approximate power-level of self-proclaimed Demon Lords and Demon Lord Breeds. Razen and the Ten Saints would probably scale to it. Benimaru and Shion would probably at least scale to unnamed Diablo, while named Diablo would be somewhere between that and Demon Slime Rimuru, I guess?
 
Also the summary had one odd part: Why did Chloe/Hinata/Chronoa only tell Ruminas about the previous loops (according to sidestory in vol. 13.5)? Did they intentionally lie? Was them telling her info about the current timeline prevented by the laws of the world somehow? Or did they somehow forget the events of the current timeline?

And I realized that perhaps Rimuru's magicule capacity is very low for a True Demon Lord due to manifesting 4 Ultimate Skills, considering how Shuuna got downgraded twice just for getting 2 Unique Skills.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Question. Why isn't Carrera listed as High 4-C with Judgement Bullet? It's the same reason Kondou is.
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Yeah, she seems like she got it in Chapter 182 of WN.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Should we make a CRT or just add this?
Also, GinSan also confirmed that Veldora feat, so can we make something on that?
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Statistics change needs CRT.

A CRT should made for both cases, @CRT.
 
End result was... disappointing, to say the least. But there is still hope with Bleezbuth.

But now that that was rejected, what about the US being 4D via the time loop?
 
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