Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Catpija]

than what about guy and velzard.. i do have proof to back up my argumen..
to move in in u dont have to be a digital lifeform.. but requiring SW can make you move in SW..
velzard can use SW cuz she has it due the skill of patient king gabriel.. the only way guy has those skill is copying velzard..
For chloe she hasnt became an DLF she hasnt fuse with chronoa which is a manas..
and also how chloe can move she is still unknown but i find something intresthing that she can move in it with her skill yog sothtoh..
and there is a statement by ciel that she sayd..

Gyazo

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and by this statement rimuru will able to move after copying/analyze the SW

werent Suspended World and the time stop in volume 12 different? they comes from different Ultimate Skill

 

[Diablo_]

werent Suspended World and the time stop in volume 12 different? they comes from different Ultimate Skill

I think yes as Rimuru was able to move and get between guy and Chloe

 

[Peak]

I think yes as Rimuru was able to move and get between guy and Chloe

this was because Guy and Chloe were only activating at the time of the attack and deactivating afterwards, but it's possible to have two types of time stop, because if it's just one, I wouldn't understand why Chloe wouldn't have the power level of a digital life form before volume 19

 

[V2001]

manipulation of time and fate in 4D level, in the game it was shown that Reverse fate can also return the opponent to nothing, just like she did with Rimuru, and as he said, it's not just a return, she returns Michael to something she believes he must be, and not what he really was, that's how I interpreted it from Rimuru's description, but that may change when better translations come out, as for the 'God of space-time', we don't know what skills came with it, so we should wait for more details

Just got this ability. In this context, i thank you very much for this And I agree with you saying that more details should be waited.

 

[rainheart]

werent Suspended World and the time stop in volume 12 different? they comes from different Ultimate Skill

time stop that guy and chloe use is SW it was sayd in vol 19 by rims and ciel that they feel the same phenomenan that he feel when guy vs chloe..
and the TS that guy and chloe use also defies the laws of pysic which it is SW..

 

[Peak]

Just got this ability. In this context, i thank you very much for this And I agree with you saying that more details should be waited.

I think if Rimuru didn't get the castle guard Chloe could beat him with this attack lol Chloe is very op

 

[V2001]

I think if Rimuru didn't get the castle guard Chloe could beat him with this attack lol Chloe is very op

I think like you too. lol

 

[V2001]

What abilities do I need to withstand Reverse Fate?

 

[rainheart]

What abilities do I need to withstand Reverse Fate?

maybe acca5 since acca4 still can be bypass

 

[Catpija]

time stop that guy and chloe use is SW it was sayd in vol 19 by rims and ciel that they feel the same phenomenan that he feel when guy vs chloe..
and the TS that guy and chloe use also defies the laws of pysic which it is SW..

yeah but Chloe hasnt become digital lifeform yet at that time so its doesnt make any sense for her to already able to move in volume 19 suspended world, furthermore Chloe's time stop originated from her time-based Ultimate Skill that focused on manipulating the time, while Velzard's coming from the concept of "fixation", both are totally different abilities that can give the same result, stopping time.

 

[V2001]

maybe acca5 since acca4 still can be bypass

Is it just this for now? ability that can resist it Can the management of Fate be able to withstand it?

 

[JV_DLS]

There are some things I don't understand about Acas 5.

1st just taking an example, If Chloe and Michael had Acas 5 and Chloe cast reverse fate on Michael and it worked, would that be something to disregard Acas 5 or would it be a feat of what reverse fate or even Chloe could affect Acas 5?

2° about the interaction with other characters, beings with Acas 5 can interact with other characters that don't have Acas 5? if so I imagine it is with avatars, but is there another way other than this? and if a being who has Acas 5 interacts with someone who doesn't, would that be a reason to take the Acas 5 from that being?

 

[Peak]

this thread about acc5 again...don't focus on it, we don't even have confirmation of acc4 yet, let alone acc5

 

[Peak]

Within verse, no one or nothing has been said to be able to resist this ability, not least because it has just been introduced, but in debates, it depends on how many layers of resistance to the manipulation of time and destiny the opponent will have

 

[JV_DLS]

this thread about acc5 again...don't focus on it, we don't even have confirmation of acc4 yet, let alone acc5

I'm not saying there is, that's why I said in the first question "example" so much so that in the second question I don't even speak slime, I'm asking because I really have doubts about Acas 5

 

[Peak]

I'm not saying there is, that's why I said in the first question "example" so much so that in the second question I don't even speak slime, I'm asking because I really have doubts about Acas 5

I won't be sure, but as far as I know, those who have acc5 can affect those who don't, but they can't be affected by them

 

[Everything12]

There are some things I don't understand about Acas 5.

1st just taking an example, If Chloe and Michael had Acas 5 and Chloe cast reverse fate on Michael and it worked, would that be something to disregard Acas 5 or would it be a feat of what reverse fate or even Chloe could affect Acas 5?

Probably a big anti-feat, but whether it completely debunks the Acausality Type 5 would depend on the context of how strong the evidence for Acausality Type 5 is.

2° about the interaction with other characters, beings with Acas 5 can interact with other characters that don't have Acas 5? if so I imagine it is with avatars, but is there another way other than this? and if a being who has Acas 5 interacts with someone who doesn't, would that be a reason to take the Acas 5 from that being?

Beings with Acausality Type 5 can interact with non-acausal entities without any explanation or avatars, we don't treat it as an anti-feat despite it not making sense. We just treat it as a quirk of fiction and the same brand of illogicalness that allows Acausality Type 5 to be a thing.

 

[JV_DLS]

I won't be sure, but as far as I know, those who have acc5 can affect those who don't, but they can't be affected by them

Got it, I was wondering if there would be some kind of exception

 

[JV_DLS]

Probably a big anti-feat, but whether it completely debunks the Acausality Type 5 would depend on the context of how strong the evidence for Acausality Type 5 is.

So for the first question it depends how strong is the evidence for Acas 5?!

Beings with Acausality Type 5 can interact with non-acausal entities without any explanation or avatars, we don't treat it as an anti-feat despite it not making sense. We just treat it as a quirk of fiction and the same brand of illogicalness that allows Acausality Type 5 to be a thing.

And for the second, interaction is really and normally possible, I thought not from the description of Acas 5 in the VSB and from what I saw many people saying, basically even if someone has Acas 5 it can interact with beings that don't have it?! I thought that not interacting was some sort of requirement or that interacting was an anti-feat.

Thank you very much you clarified my doubts

 

[LoganKroos]

So for the first question it depends how strong is the evidence for Acas 5?!

And for the second, interaction is really and normally possible, I thought not from the description of Acas 5 in the VSB and from what I saw many people saying, basically even if someone has Acas 5 it can interact with beings that don't have it?! I thought that not interacting was some sort of requirement or that interacting was an anti-feat.

Thank you very much you clarified my doubts

if shion's ability of cause and effect can't affect digital beings even after evolving into an ultimate ability, that would be perfect evidence

 

[LoganKroos]

So for the first question it depends how strong is the evidence for Acas 5?!



Thank you very much you clarified my doubts

Beings with type 5 acca can interact with anyone, others who cannot interact with them unless they let them

 

[Everything12]

And for the second, interaction is really and normally possible, I thought not from the description of Acas 5 in the VSB and from what I saw many people saying, basically even if someone has Acas 5 it can interact with beings that don't have it?! I thought that not interacting was some sort of requirement or that interacting was an anti-feat.

Other way around, people without Acausality Type 5 not interacting with people proposed to have Acausality Type 5 is the evidence and people without Acausality Type 5 interacting with character proposed to have Acausality Type 5 is an anti-feat.

 

[LoganKroos]

a curious fact that I noticed is that in each world there is not only a different space-time, but a different reality with completely different laws and causality, but beings with ultimate abilities are not bound by the laws of the world because they are their own law and expand. his laws about other things like Dino who autered Bereta's laws and made her enter a sleep state even though demons didn't have a concept of sleep, but Dino created him and made her enter this state, another example is that there are weak worlds that can be destroyed by Velgrind, and it has been stated several times that users of ultimate abilities are free from the laws of the world, but Guy told Yuki that it is impossible to completely transcend the laws of physics in that particular world, but never denied that it is possible to transcend them. the laws of other worlds, and why doesn't this happen? because the laws of that world were created by Veldanava himself and as he is the God of Tensura it is impossible to transcend his laws as he is the transcendent god himself set by Dino himself, but the laws can be altered with a certain administration permission , and this permission is precisely the ultimate abilities, and this method was created by Veldanava himself

 

[LoganKroos]

a curious fact that I noticed is that in each world there is not only a different space-time, but a different reality with completely different laws and causality, but beings with ultimate abilities are not bound by the laws of the world because they are their own law and expand. his laws about other things like Dino who autered Bereta's laws and made her enter a sleep state even though demons didn't have a concept of sleep, but Dino created him and made her enter this state, another example is that there are weak worlds that can be destroyed by Velgrind, and it has been stated several times that users of ultimate abilities are free from the laws of the world, but Guy told Yuki that it is impossible to completely transcend the laws of physics in that particular world, but never denied that it is possible to transcend them. the laws of other worlds, and why doesn't this happen? because the laws of that world were created by Veldanava himself and as he is the God of Tensura it is impossible to transcend his laws as he is the transcendent god himself set by Dino himself, but the laws can be altered with a certain administration permission , and this permission is precisely the ultimate abilities, and this method was created by Veldanava himself

and it is said that the power to change these laws and what it is made of is precisely magic that is controlled by the willpower of the soul, and as the spirit worlds are made of magic, basically there are no laws to be followed and the being with more will prevails over the other, that's why Fedway said that Diablo was strong in the material world, but in the spiritual world and in hell he was invincible, precisely because his willpower was amazing and because he was immortal thanks to the great spirit of the darkness and so both Fedway and Guy avoid fighting him

 

[LoganKroos]

and it is said that the power to change these laws and what it is made of is precisely magic that is controlled by the willpower of the soul, and as the spirit worlds are made of magic, basically there are no laws to be followed and the being with more will prevails over the other, that's why Fedway said that Diablo was strong in the material world, but in the spiritual world and in hell he was invincible, precisely because his willpower was amazing and because he was immortal thanks to the great spirit of the darkness and so both Fedway and Guy avoid fighting him

so basically all spirit beings could have acca type 5 as they are made of magic, have their own law, are free from the laws of the world, control magic and are only restricted in that world because the veldanava being/god who made that world with its law, so it is impossible to break it, but we other material worlds do not

 

[LoganKroos]

so basically all spirit beings could have acca type 5 as they are made of magic, have their own law, are free from the laws of the world, control magic and are only restricted in that world because the veldanava being/god who made that world with its law, so it is impossible to break it, but we other material worlds do not

another thing that proves my point is that there are also worlds without causality and that the material worlds are inside the spiritual worlds as said by Velgrind

 

[JV_DLS]

so basically all spirit beings could have acca type 5 as they are made of magic, have their own law, are free from the laws of the world, control magic and are only restricted in that world because the veldanava being/god who made that world with its law, so it is impossible to break it, but we other material worlds do not

look i don't think this guarantees acas 5 but what you said but it sounds like acas 4 than 5 because as they have their own law that means they operate in a different system than the voice of the world controls, to get Acas 5 you must be separate from any and all systems or transcend them completely so that no cause and effect works on you

 

[LoganKroos]

look i don't think this guarantees acas 5 but what you said but it sounds like acas 4 than 5 because as they have their own law that means they operate in a different system than the voice of the world controls, to get Acas 5 you must be separate from any and all systems or transcend them completely so that no cause and effect works on you

could be either acca 4 or 5, now this just proves even more that digital beings are type 5

 

[JV_DLS]

could be either acca 4 or 5, now this just proves even more that digital beings are type 5

I think it's too early to say this, Chloe's reverse fate worked on Michael, who is also a digital being, so unless vol 20 and beyond has some concrete proof, digital beings don't have Acas 5, in fact the Acas 4 although more likely, is still being discussed.

Personally, I'm more interested in transduality, it's almost certain that digital beings will receive at least type 1, but since everything in the sludge, including dual systems, is made up of information particles, perhaps digital beings can receive type 2, well anyway, we will have to wait for volume 20 because with what we have here none of this can be taken into account

 

[LoganKroos]

I think it's too early to say this, Chloe's reverse fate worked on Michael, who is also a digital being, so unless vol 20 and beyond has some concrete proof, digital beings don't have Acas 5, in fact the Acas 4 although more likely, is still being discussed.

Personally, I'm more interested in transduality, it's almost certain that digital beings will receive at least type 1, but since everything in the sludge, including dual systems, is made up of information particles, perhaps digital beings can receive type 2, well anyway, we will have to wait for volume 20 because with what we have here none of this can be taken into account

this doesn't contradict anything, a being with acaa type 5 doesn't become invincible, another with the same type can defeat him

 

[JV_DLS]

this doesn't contradict anything, a being with acaa type 5 doesn't become invincible, another with the same type can defeat him

It's one thing to defeat him, another thing to be able to affect that being with an ability that reverses and shapes fate, beings with Acas 5 are outside or above the system, that is, no cause and effect like time or fate should affect them , at least what I asked myself a little while ago this does not completely disregard, but there must be quotes that make Acas 5 more concrete so that this is not an anti feat

 

[LoganKroos]

It's one thing to defeat him, another thing to be able to affect that being with an ability that reverses and shapes fate, beings with Acas 5 are outside or above the system, that is, no cause and effect like time or fate should affect them , at least what I asked myself a little while ago this does not completely disregard, but there must be quotes that make Acas 5 more concrete so that this is not an anti feat

not necessarily, he is outside the standard fate, but another being of the same level can affect him with it, in Tensura time and fate are on a level far superior to any cause or effect since she is beyond even the two original spirits that form the 5 great spirits that formed the verse, even the casual world or the material and spiritual worlds are under the effect of the great spirits, but light and darkness are not, and time is not limited even by this original duality being described unlimited in relation to anything, so it's not something a simple acca type 5 can avoid

 

[Diablo_]

that's why Fedway said that Diablo was strong in the material world, but in the spiritual world and in hell he was invincible

Do u have scans ?

 

[LoganKroos]

Do u have scans ?

prologue of volume 16 if I'm not mistaken, it was in the explanation of ghosts, insectars and crtptyds, Fedway saying why he couldn't use the portals was why
the demons mainly Diablo would not let

 

[Diablo_]

not necessarily, he is outside the standard fate, but another being of the same level can affect him with it, in Tensura time and fate are on a level far superior to any cause or effect since she is beyond even the two original spirits that form the 5 great spirits that formed the verse, even the casual world or the material and spiritual worlds are under the effect of the great spirits, but light and darkness are not, and time is not limited even by this original duality being described unlimited in relation to anything, so it's not something a simple acca type 5 can avoid

Well her "reverse fate " sounds like a mixture of RW/SR+FM

 

[rainheart]

yeah but Chloe hasnt become digital lifeform yet at that time so its doesnt make any sense for her to already able to move in volume 19 suspended world, furthermore Chloe's time stop originated from her time-based Ultimate Skill that focused on manipulating the time, while Velzard's coming from the concept of "fixation", both are totally different abilities that can give the same result, stopping time.

No... And like i said TS in vol12 is the same i will give the scans later..
And do you know what fixation is..(its just and desire..obsession nothing more)

 

[V2001]

Within verse, no one or nothing has been said to be able to resist this ability, not least because it has just been introduced, but in debates, it depends on how many layers of resistance to the manipulation of time and destiny the opponent will have

ok take note

 

[Catpija]

And do you know what fixation is..(its just and desire..obsession nothing more)

no, its the action of making something firm or stable, basically stopping the movement of some object, the translator tell us this

 

[rainheart]

no, its the action of making something firm or stable, basically stopping the movement of some object, the translator tell us this

What Is a Fixation? In general, a fixation is an obsessive drive that may or may not be acted on involving an object, concept, or person. Initially introduced by Sigmund Freud, a fixation is a persistent focus of the id's pleasure-seeking energies at an early stage of psychosexual development.

 

[Catpija]

this dude straight up ignored the translator