Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Diablo_]

What Is a Fixation? In general, a fixation is an obsessive drive that may or may not be acted on involving an object, concept, or person. Initially introduced by Sigmund Freud, a fixation is a persistent focus of the id's pleasure-seeking energies at an early stage of psychosexual development.

Lmao that's ....

Velzards fixation is like what catpija said above .Making something fixed in a place ,making something unmovable or unchangeable ,freezing something ,even stopping time since when in stopped time everything is fixed .

It's not some fetish related psychological problem .The fixation you're talking about involves Self pleasure seeking activities like ...well happens to some people in that age and etc etc .....Pretty sure that's not what velzards fixation means ...according to sigmund Freud's definition Having strong crush at someone in that age could also be counted at fixation .

 

[V2001]

Let me ask you guys. Rimuru really lost to mio? He reasoned that Rimuru is hit by mio's death mani, and it can affect imaginary space too, so I wonder if it's true.

 

[Catpija]

who is mio

 

[JV_DLS]

Let me ask you guys. Rimuru really lost to mio? He reasoned that Rimuru is hit by mio's death mani, and it can affect imaginary space too, so I wonder if it's true.

The character mio from tsuki ga michibiku?

 

[V2001]

The character mio from tsuki ga michibiku?

Not mio from Date A Live Mio Takamiya.

 

[091Franky]

Let me ask you guys. Rimuru really lost to mio? He reasoned that Rimuru is hit by mio's death mani, and it can affect imaginary space too, so I wonder if it's true.

She only have High 4-C key and when rimuru was in that tier, He was above her

 

[JV_DLS]

Not mio from Date A Live Mio Takamiya.

Has anyone done a battle between the two 2? do you have her link?

 

[JV_DLS]

I saw her profile and the thing that stood out the most was the manipulation of the Law, I just don't know how high it is

 

[V2001]

She only have High 4-C key and when rimuru was in that tier, He was above her

But he reasoned that Hax and the character level in Date A Live is level 2B. from which they hit should

 

[V2001]

Has anyone done a battle between the two 2? do you have her link?

On the web I don't think there is.

 

[Catpija]

who is this he you are talking about

 

[Catpija]

i can make the match for you, but im pretty sure its a stomp

 

[091Franky]

i can make the match for you, but im pretty sure its a stomp

Diablo vs Date a live verse has already happened, It was stomp in favor of diablo

 

[091Franky]

But he reasoned that Hax and the character level in Date A Live is level 2B. from which they hit should

No one in Dal is tier 2

 

[V2001]

who is this he you are talking about

Mio Takamiya from Date A Live

 

[V2001]

i can make the match for you, but im pretty sure its a stomp

Yes, I think the same as you. But he's pretty sure mio can win.

 

[V2001]

I saw her profile and the thing that stood out the most was the manipulation of the Law, I just don't know how high it is

He seems to have death manipulation auto passive+ Resistance Negation as well.

 

[V2001]

No one in Dal is tier 2

wait a minute I'll just copy the context he gave me to say it's level 2B.

 

[V2001]

No one in Dal is tier 2

Spoiler: This was the scan he gave.

"Hal"

Accompanying the pale shine of the Astral Dresses was an angel in the form of a gigantic sword in Tohka's grip, <Sandalphon>. The girl charged forward in an attempt to slay Westcott. The wizard defending him heaved her sabre while leaping to meet the attack head on.

"Gu...

"Don't block me!"

The edges of the swords clashed and diffused through the angel. The wizard expanded her Territory's strength in response, but was sent flying and crashed towards the wall.

"Hu....

The wizard cried in agony as Tohka changed her target to Westcott. Although the man

was presently engaged in battle, he simply sneered derisively. "How valorous, <Princess>. What a waste, although appreciate your combat-stricken

welcome, I'm not after you today."

"What are you talking about? You think you can escape?"

"Haha, who said anything about escaping? Though leaving you be would be rather vexatious..."

As Westcott grinned in a bewitching manner, his hand began to wander atop the book

"Just a little should be fine. Show me what you're capable of."

Westcott chanted to the book

<Beelzebub>, <Ashufiriya ->

* Tohkar

Shidou shouted unbearably. Although he was unaware of what happened. Shidou felt a sensation as dozens of ice thoms pricked his back. The next instant, the space under

Tohka's feet distorted into a shadowy book crevice.

"Wha

Tohka inhaled a breath of chilled air and retreated backwards at full speed. Butt was too late. The enormous book snapped its pages shut, entrapping Tohka inside like a

bookmark

Shidou yelled as he jumped to her rescue. Before his hand could even reach the book, Tohka had already disappeared into the void. But it wasnt finished yet

"Yaaa...r

"W-what's this?!"

The other Spirits mourned lamentably while Shidou turned to face them. Similar books had appeared behind and under them and began to suck them in.

"Kuh..."

"Damn, <Rasiel>....

"Everyone, run!" shouted Shidou, albeit uselessly. The books that had appeared in the

corridor trapped the Spirits one by one.

"W-waa, help!"

"S-Shidoul

The cries of the Spirits reverberated throughout the place as the books swallowed them

and vanished. Witnessing everything helplessly, Shidou was petrified and glared at Westcott

... You evil bastard!! Where did you take them?!!"
"Hahaha, don't be so agitated. You'll reunite with them soon enough." Westcott stirred up the comers of his mouth. At that moment. Westcott administered the merciless coup de grace.

"U-uaahh!?"

111 leave you for after deal with Elliot. During that time, feel free to worry to your heart's content... in that illusory world."

Westcott enunciated as he unhurriedly closed Shidou's entrapment.

"Hm... It doesn't feel very exhausting even though this is the first time I've ever used this

power."

Westcott inferred while fiddling with a page from Beelzebub, realizing why he could decipher unwritten records

"Westcott-sama..."

His bodyguard wizard who was previously knocked down by Tohka returned to his side and apologized.

*Forgive me, I was careless..." "It doesn't matter. I obtained the opportunity to experiment with Beelzebub's power

anyway."

Westcott grinned, dumbfounding the wizard.

"Then, where did the Spirits go?"

"Aah...

Westcott's sight fell onto a page from <Beelzebub>, raising the corners of his mouth.

"Now, within a fairytale... struggling in fantasy?

"Fairytale...?"

The wizard inclined her head. Well, she couldn't understand directly. Humans other than Westcott had no need to fathom a Demon King. He closed Beelzebub and diverted the topic of conversation.

"Rather than that, our target takes precedence at the moment. look forward to meeting my old friends in person,

As Westcott commanded, the wizard promptly saluted in response.


Sorry it's a bit long I have a problem sending pictures.

 

[091Franky]

Spoiler: This was the scan he gave.

"Hal"

Accompanying the pale shine of the Astral Dresses was an angel in the form of a gigantic sword in Tohka's grip, <Sandalphon>. The girl charged forward in an attempt to slay Westcott. The wizard defending him heaved her sabre while leaping to meet the attack head on.

"Gu...

"Don't block me!"

The edges of the swords clashed and diffused through the angel. The wizard expanded her Territory's strength in response, but was sent flying and crashed towards the wall.

"Hu....

The wizard cried in agony as Tohka changed her target to Westcott. Although the man

was presently engaged in battle, he simply sneered derisively. "How valorous, <Princess>. What a waste, although appreciate your combat-stricken

welcome, I'm not after you today."

"What are you talking about? You think you can escape?"

"Haha, who said anything about escaping? Though leaving you be would be rather vexatious..."

As Westcott grinned in a bewitching manner, his hand began to wander atop the book

"Just a little should be fine. Show me what you're capable of."

Westcott chanted to the book

<Beelzebub>, <Ashufiriya ->

* Tohkar

Shidou shouted unbearably. Although he was unaware of what happened. Shidou felt a sensation as dozens of ice thoms pricked his back. The next instant, the space under

Tohka's feet distorted into a shadowy book crevice.

"Wha

Tohka inhaled a breath of chilled air and retreated backwards at full speed. Butt was too late. The enormous book snapped its pages shut, entrapping Tohka inside like a

bookmark

Shidou yelled as he jumped to her rescue. Before his hand could even reach the book, Tohka had already disappeared into the void. But it wasnt finished yet

"Yaaa...r

"W-what's this?!"

The other Spirits mourned lamentably while Shidou turned to face them. Similar books had appeared behind and under them and began to suck them in.

"Kuh..."

"Damn, <Rasiel>....

"Everyone, run!" shouted Shidou, albeit uselessly. The books that had appeared in the

corridor trapped the Spirits one by one.

"W-waa, help!"

"S-Shidoul

The cries of the Spirits reverberated throughout the place as the books swallowed them

and vanished. Witnessing everything helplessly, Shidou was petrified and glared at Westcott

... You evil bastard!! Where did you take them?!!"
"Hahaha, don't be so agitated. You'll reunite with them soon enough." Westcott stirred up the comers of his mouth. At that moment. Westcott administered the merciless coup de grace.

"U-uaahh!?"

111 leave you for after deal with Elliot. During that time, feel free to worry to your heart's content... in that illusory world."

Westcott enunciated as he unhurriedly closed Shidou's entrapment.

"Hm... It doesn't feel very exhausting even though this is the first time I've ever used this

power."

Westcott inferred while fiddling with a page from Beelzebub, realizing why he could decipher unwritten records

"Westcott-sama..."

His bodyguard wizard who was previously knocked down by Tohka returned to his side and apologized.

*Forgive me, I was careless..." "It doesn't matter. I obtained the opportunity to experiment with Beelzebub's power

anyway."

Westcott grinned, dumbfounding the wizard.

"Then, where did the Spirits go?"

"Aah...

Westcott's sight fell onto a page from <Beelzebub>, raising the corners of his mouth.

"Now, within a fairytale... struggling in fantasy?

"Fairytale...?"

The wizard inclined her head. Well, she couldn't understand directly. Humans other than Westcott had no need to fathom a Demon King. He closed Beelzebub and diverted the topic of conversation.

"Rather than that, our target takes precedence at the moment. look forward to meeting my old friends in person,

As Westcott commanded, the wizard promptly saluted in response.


Sorry it's a bit long I have a problem sending pictures.

There is nothing 2-B here and I genuinely do not care about debating for rimuru outside this site because either rimuru is very overrated or massively downplayed in terms of strength

 

[Iiliminal]

I mean even if date a live is tier 2 rimuru outhaxes the entire verse horribly so it doesn’t really matter

 

[V2001]

There is nothing 2-B here and I genuinely do not care about debating for rimuru outside this site because either rimuru is very overrated or massively downplayed in terms of strength

So that means he can't defeat the strongest Rimuru key?

 

[V2001]

I mean even if date a live is tier 2 rimuru outhaxes the entire verse horribly so it doesn’t really matter

Oh, I told him, but he's still stubborn and confident that Rimuru has lost. It made me exhausted to argue. lol

 

[Catpija]

Mio Takamiya from Date A Live

no, the "he" who said DAL have 2B hax

 

[V2001]

no, the "he" who said DAL have 2B hax

I don't know him either. Since one person posted a pair between Zegion vs Date A Live, which character will you stop at? And he said that DAL was level 2B hax.

 

[Peak]

So that means he can't defeat the strongest Rimuru key?

no one in verse can't even defeat Rimuru DL, for starters, they would be massively crushed by verse's passives

 

[Peak]

I don't know him either. Since one person posted a pair between Zegion vs Date A Live, which character will you stop at? And he said that DAL was level 2B hax.

hax being 2B only gives range, what you have to do is look at how many layers of resistance the characters have, and having 2B range is not enough to reach Rimuru's imaginary space, as he is outside the multiverse

 

[rainheart]

Lmao that's ....

Velzards fixation is like what catpija said above .Making something fixed in a place ,making something unmovable or unchangeable ,freezing something ,even stopping time since when in stopped time everything is fixed .

It's not some fetish related psychological problem .The fixation you're talking about involves Self pleasure seeking activities like ...well happens to some people in that age and etc etc .....Pretty sure that's not what velzards fixation means ...according to sigmund Freud's definition Having strong crush at someone in that age could also be counted at fixation .

Well yeah ok i dont realy care about what is "Fixation" i just wanna fix that to move in SW dont need to be a DLF.
And if the LN will follow the WN dagruel vs shion and velzard use SW possibly it just like the WN but dunno.
What i know is "Ciel didnt say that u need to be an DLF to move the whole point of DLF was about rimuru seeing the outstanding speed of michael and chloe..
And their possiblity for diablo to use SW since he didnt freeze and must also seen the whole battle and analyze it.

 

[Catpija]

And if the LN will follow the WN dagruel vs shion and velzard use SW possibly it just like the WN but dunno.

If Suspended World in the light novel really follow the web novel, then Rimuru wouldnt need to evolve to be digital lifeform, just copy the skill like the previous version, its clear that Fuse wanted to differentiate the mechanism of SW in both of these novel, Shion probably will evolve too with the help of Ciel

 

[rainheart]

If Suspended World in the light novel really follow the web novel, then Rimuru wouldnt need to evolve to be digital lifeform, just copy the skill like the previous version, its clear that Fuse wanted to differentiate the mechanism of SW in both of these novel, Shion probably will evolve too with the help of Ciel

Dunno.. but like i said the whole point of DLF is not to able to move in SW..
Velgrynd has required SW trought Gabriel when fight with guy and so i thjnk the way guy can use it is analyzing the SW.. and guy and chloe in vol 12 isnt a DLF chloe is still a spiritual LF she hasnt fused with chronoa.

 

[rainheart]

Dunno.. but like i said the whole point of DLF is not to able to move in SW..
Velgrynd has required SW trought Gabriel when fight with guy and so i thjnk the way guy can use it is analyzing the SW.. and guy and chloe in vol 12 isnt a DLF chloe is still a spiritual LF she hasnt fused with chronoa.

And for chloe cases she cant actually use it but can move it maybe since she has time atribute.. and yog sothoth.

 

[Catpija]

Dunno.. but like i said the whole point of DLF is not to able to move in SW..
Velgrynd has required SW trought Gabriel when fight with guy and so i thjnk the way guy can use it is analyzing the SW.. and guy and chloe in vol 12 isnt a DLF chloe is still a spiritual LF she hasnt fused with chronoa.

And for chloe cases she cant actually use it but can move it maybe since she has time atribute.. and yog sothoth.

WHAT

Aint no way you misread the entire series, how is the whole point of DLF is that they unable to move at Suspended World when Michael blatantly stated only Manas or Information based lifeform could move there, thats also defeat the purpose of Rimuru changing all matter in his body to evolve to Digital Lifeform, when Ciel who is an all knowing source said that its necessary, legit the only one able to move on Suspended World is DLF, which is the total opposite of what you just said

huh???? are you serious? when did Velgyrnd fought Guy, and gained Patience King Gabriel?

We have talked about this before, that why volume 12 time-stop is different than Volume 19 Suspended World, they have same result(stopping time) but different origin and mechanism, different requierement to move and different skill/power

nah, Guy and Raphael said that Chloe can manipulate time using Yog Sototh, actually she was the one who timestopped at volume 12, after noticing that Chloe can also do it, Guy do the same and aim it when their blades clashed

 

[V2001]

There is nothing 2-B here and I genuinely do not care about debating for rimuru outside this site because either rimuru is very overrated or massively downplayed in terms of strength

Thank you very much for the context assessment I submitted because I am not good at evaluating myself. But he still insists that Date A live is level 2B. Because he said there was still an explanation for this, but he didn't have the book that , so he couldn't find any evidence for me. So I can't believe him. thanks again

 

[rainheart]

WHAT

Aint no way you misread the entire series, how is the whole point of DLF is that they unable to move at Suspended World when Michael blatantly stated only Manas or Information based lifeform could move there, thats also defeat the purpose of Rimuru changing all matter in his body to evolve to Digital Lifeform, when Ciel who is an all knowing source said that its necessary, legit the only one able to move on Suspended World is DLF, which is the total opposite of what you just said



nah, Guy and Raphael said that Chloe can manipulate time using Yog Sototh, actually she was the one who timestopped at volume 12, after noticing that Chloe can also do it, Guy do the same and aim it when their blades clashed

huh???? are you serious? when did Velgyrnd fought Guy, and gained Patience King Gabriel?.

I mean velzard..
We have talked about this before, that why volume 12 time-stop is different than Volume 19 Suspended World, they have same result(stopping time) but different origin and mechanism, different requierement to move and different skill/power..

Do u have proof is if its different..its litteraly sayd that laws of pysic dont exist in the timr stop vol12..
And rimuru sayd by himself that he feel the same pheonomenan
(Guy and Chloe exchanged greetings. Despite the friendly behavior between the two, I was on edge.

This was because I didn’t understand what had just happened. I couldn’t track their movements even with my perception cranked up by a factor of one million.

It became abundantly clear that this phenomenon wasn’t due to some kind of super speed. There was no turbulence in the surrounding air, nor were there any abnormalities in the laws of physics.)
But im wrong in something the timestop was peform by chloe not guy..
«Report. Unknown. Failed to ‘Analyze and Assess’ the phenomenon performed by individual ‘Chloe Aubert.’»..

«As seen with the attacks that defeated Diablo, Souei, and Leon earlier, this “phenomenon” is the same as the one that Guy Crimson and Chloe Aubert once activated—»

 

[V2001]

hax being 2B only gives range, what you have to do is look at how many layers of resistance the characters have, and having 2B range is not enough to reach Rimuru's imaginary space, as he is outside the multiverse

Oh thank you so much I'm starting to understand a little bit about resistance now.

 

[Peak]

Oh thank you so much I'm starting to understand a little bit about resistance now.

i understand the feeling, it was confusing for me at first but i started to understand, in the end you have to count how many layers of negation of resistance the character will have against how many layers of resistance the negation of resistance the opponent will have.

And most likely Tensura characters have more layers of denial resistance, as even the simplest barrier has two layers, and switching from WN to LN, it has 4D hax as of vol19, and 4D hax>3D hax and in Date the live doesn't even have 4D hax as far as I know

 

[Catpija]

Do u have proof is if its different..its litteraly sayd that laws of pysic dont exist in the timr stop vol12..
And rimuru sayd by himself that he feel the same pheonomenan
(Guy and Chloe exchanged greetings. Despite the friendly behavior between the two, I was on edge.

Did you....not read what i said before?

 

[Catpija]

yeah but Chloe hasnt become digital lifeform yet at that time so its doesnt make any sense for her to already able to move in volume 19 suspended world, furthermore Chloe's time stop originated from her time-based Ultimate Skill that focused on manipulating the time, while Velzard's coming from the concept of "fixation", both are totally different abilities that can give the same result, stopping time.

 

[rainheart]

Yeah then what about velzard and guy.. are they a DLF..

 

[rainheart]

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