Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Catpija]

1. This will happen after the speed downgrade of the verse.

WHAT

 

[ImmortalDread]

Downgrade speed? Buddy, is it hard to comprehend that the ability is not the same as sheer speed tf?

 

[Metalballrun]

WHAT

I've talked about this all the time here. Slime's LN speed is bound for downgrades.

Downgrade speed? Buddy, is it hard to comprehend that the ability is not the same as sheer speed tf?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you ok?

 

[ImmortalDread]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you ok?

I am ok, I have also no idea what your talking about, Are you ok?

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

As far as I can tell, information particles should be impossible to destroy, and regardless of whether that's truly the case or not, destroying the soul does not equate to destroying information particles. (Just like destroying magicules doesn't mean destroying spirit particles).

But, hasn't it been shown through Disintegration or Death Streak?

Incidentally, it was necessary to interfere with the spirit in order to damage the mind. As represented by “Disintegration,” the “information particles” could not be reached without destroying the spirit.

Now that Arios had the ‘Punishment King Sandalphon,’ he should be able to destroy the core if he was aware of it. (Volume 19)

The Abyss Core that Testarossa crushed illuminated the surroundings in a black light. The light had the property of penetrating almost all matter. It was dark light, which did not arise spontaneously. It had no physical destructive power, but it had a certain characteristic. When it penetrated an organism, it would affect its genetic structure. With a forceful rewriting of genes, almost all living things would be forcefully killed. A pure evil magic of death.
However, legend had it that its purpose was different. Only a spiritual lifeform or one whose soul had the capacity to remember could endure this magic. Only those who could resurrect even after their physical bodies were completely destroyed could escape from it. The special particles that made up magicules—spiritrons—emitted a special wave. That was the dark light. It was difficult to fend against using magic and impossible to ward off physically. You could only counter the spiritrons by striking them with other spiritrons. Similarly, dark light could only be countered by dark light.
Once you were exposed to this light, your probability of dying was 99.999 percent. In rare cases, however, some people survived. One in a million would gain a new life by becoming a monster. In other words, this magic was also a magic of blessing, bearing the role of selecting people who had the superior aptitude.
This kind of magic was the most evil of forbidden spells.
It wasn’t like Disintegration, which was more of a physically-destructive force. This magic only penetrated the Information Particles, with perfect precision. It was the nuclear magic: Death Streak, the ultimate forbidden magic that could even destroy the “soul”. (volume 13)

 

[Peak]

WHAT

he's not talking about digital life forms, about speed, he really is right, in vol15 Velgrynd's hypersonic speed was treated as something amazing and it was shown that even Velgrynd's true dragon body would be destroyed upon having a near light speed, having his body torn apart, but this only applies to spirit life forms, i'll be fine with that, this speed nerf was made to have the absurd speed of digital lifeforms, that's what i believe

 

[Peak]

But, hasn't it been shown through Disintegration or Death Streak?

I agree, I don't remember being told that information particles cannot be destroyed, so I'm really curious about this

 

[Catpija]

he's not talking about digital life forms, about speed, he really is right, in vol15 Velgrynd's hypersonic speed was treated as something amazing and it was shown that even Velgrynd's true dragon body would be destroyed upon having a near light speed, having his body torn apart, but this only applies to spirit life forms, i'll be fine with that, this speed nerf was made to have the absurd speed of digital lifeforms, that's what i believe

well i wasnt thinking about digital lifeform, but mostly the relavistic speed rating since i thought that was consistent

 

[Peak]

well i wasnt thinking about digital lifeform, but mostly the relavistic speed rating since i thought that was consistent

I understand, but I think there will be a downgrade for those who don't scale to Velgrynd and Rimuru vol15, Velgrynd was treated as the fastest until that moment, and even then it was only hypersonic even using the power of her ultimate skill, I think anyone who has 'god speed' (Rimuru often uses this term for his speed from time to time) should have relativist

 

[Peak]

At the end of the year or next year when I'm no longer busy, it's possible for High Godly for the verse to be reviewed and reassessed. As far as I can tell, information particles should be impossible to destroy, and regardless of whether that's truly the case or not, destroying the soul does not equate to destroying information particles. (Just like destroying magicules doesn't mean destroying spirit particles).

1. This will happen after the speed downgrade of the verse.

AI'm trying to understand this here, but I still think it's unlikely, vol19 was shown that it's possible to destroy information particles via Michael vs Chloe, because the fight was about two beings of pure information and the destruction of the information particle was not treated as something surprising, as for soul destruction, vol19 it was also said that soul and mind are composed of information, so destroying them should mean destruction of information, and finally, skills like ultimate skill are also composed of information and Hinata was able to erase Beelzebub against Rimuru

1. 1. will happen after the speed downIn the same vein, not all spiritual lifeforms would/should get Mid Godly regeneration either. Demons are all spiritual lifeforms, but only the Primordials and the demons closest to them have regeneration qualified for Mid Godly.

looking at this here, so as i thought, spiritual life forms must be low-godly, right?

 

[Metalballrun]

I am ok, I have also no idea what your talking about, Are you ok?

If you have nothing productive or non-gibberish to say, try not to start a conversation in the first place.

But, hasn't it been shown through Disintegration or Death Streak?

These doesn't really say anything about destroying information particles, just interacting with them. We only really see soul destruction for the former and core destruction for the latter. Destroying these two doesn't mean destroying the information particles that constitutes them.

Not only that, but the relationship between infotrons and souls/core is a lot more complicated than the cursory description we got from Veldora. For example, the Soul specifically refers to the crystallized energy that forms around the heart/core. Likewise, Skills are also composed of energy, not just particles.

Like in this case in the fanTL, which is basically just super-edited MTL, it's just penetrating the information particles. Or in the case of Yen Press, it says:

It was the worst, most taboo kind of spell, this nuclear-level Death Streak. Instead of destroying physically like Disintegration, it accurately bore down only on the particles that created life memory. It was the ultimate forbidden magic, one that could destroy the very souls of people.

So that's how it is. You can try verifying it with the raws.

Do note that this is still up for reviewal. It's not final, I'll be trying to get as much concrete evidence for High Godly as I reasonably can as well as make lore pages for Slime, just like One Piece's Haki pages or Bleach's Soul Physiology pages.

Or you can hope that I lose interest in Slime, never touching it again so it retains HGR until some of the more critical staff cracks down on it again, like what happened before when anything Godly regen at all were nearly removed from the verse completely.

I agree, I don't remember being told that information particles cannot be destroyed, so I'm really curious about this

Let me rephrase what I said. It's not that it was said that information particles cannot be destroyed, but there hasn't been an instance where information particles were explicitly destroyed. It's just what we assumed from a single instance. Even then, Community_Gamer actually had some refutations about it.

he's not talking about digital life forms, about speed, he really is right, in vol15 Velgrynd's hypersonic speed

Yes, setting aside that the movement through information particles might not even be counted as speed.


Carrion's Burst Roar is also only Massively Hypersonic, and it very nearly caught Benimaru, and it was used to defeat Kumara and Adalman's group.

mostly the relavistic speed rating since i thought that was consistent

A lot of the Relativistic stuff would remain, but it'll likely only be perception and attack speed.
This will be discussed further if nothing else.

spiritual life forms must be low-godly, right?

Only if they're described to be capable of regenerating in the first place.

Yuuki is a Spiritual Lifeform too for example, so should be Granbell and Laplace. None of them have regeneration at the god level.

 

[Peak]

I still have my disagreements about HGR, as I said above, soul, mind and abilities are composed of information but the evidence i have is mtl so i guess i will wait until crt day arrives, anyway, the statement I was referring to is this, it also has the one that a Manas is composed of information in volume 11

Assuming that the mind and spirit are also information, it’s not impossible.(volume 19)

 

[Peak]

Yuuki is a Spiritual Lifeform too for example, so should be Granbell and Laplace. None of them have regeneration at the god level.

so i believe that being a spiritual lifeform and having ultraspeed regeneration, it might end up getting low-godly

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

You can try verifying it with the raws.

In raw, it's called 'Information Particle'.

Raw :
この魔法こそが、最悪の禁呪。
霊子崩壊のように物理的な破壊の力ではなく、〝情報子〟だけを的確に穿つ──核撃魔法：死の祝福とはつまり、〝魂〟をも破壊する究極の禁断魔法なのだった。

DeepL :
This magic is the worst kind of forbidden spell.
It is not a physically destructive power like the disintegration of the spirit child, but rather, it accurately pierces only the "information child" - in other words, the nuclear strike magic: the blessing of death is the ultimate forbidden magic that destroys the "soul" as well.

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

there hasn't been an instance where information particles were explicitly destroyed.

There is. Manas (Information Particle Entity) disappeared after being devoured by Rimuru. Michael is a great example of that.

Disintegration can also clearly erase skills, abstract things. It's been shown twice that it can erase skills, firstly Unique Skill 'Gluttony' and secondly Ultimate Skill 'Gluttonous King Beelzebuth'.

 

[LoganKroos]

all spiritual life forms have MHG as they can regenerate as long as their core is not totally destroyed, and all wue resist disintegration and the blessing of death have HGR

 

[Peak]

all spiritual life forms have MHG as they can regenerate as long as their core is not totally destroyed, and all wue resist disintegration and the blessing of death have HGR

there's no evidence of it

 

[LoganKroos]

there's no evidence of it

that's what it looks like

 

[Metalballrun]

so i believe that being a spiritual lifeform and having ultraspeed regeneration, it might end up getting low-godly

If you have scans that show they have low godly. Because all three characters mentioned fell to attacks that destroys souls, or in Gran's case, an attack that controls life/death.
If they had regeneration they would've, you know, regenerated.

There is. Manas (Information Particle Entity) disappeared after being devoured by Rimuru. Michael is a great example of that.

Disintegration can also clearly erase skills, abstract things. It's been shown twice that it can erase skills, firstly Unique Skill 'Gluttony' and secondly Ultimate Skill 'Gluttonous King Beelzebuth'.

These are all gonna ne taken into consideration although i already addressed the latter.

As for the former, it doesn't really confirm that infotrons can be destroyed. Infotrons were affected but not necessarily destroyed.
Michael is a Manas, meaning there is still a core (theosophy core as it's classicaly called) that can be destroyed.

This won't happen until probably next year, so no use worrying about it for now. The speed downgrades and upgrades will come hopefully by December.

 

[Peak]

If you have scans that show they have low godly. Because all three characters mentioned fell to attacks that destroys souls, or in Gran's case, an attack that controls life/death.
If they had regeneration they would've, you know, regenerated.


These are all gonna ne taken into consideration although i already addressed the latter.

As for the former, it doesn't really confirm that infotrons can be destroyed. Infotrons were affected but not necessarily destroyed.
Michael is a Manas, meaning there is still a core (theosophy core as it's classicaly called) that can be destroyed.

This won't happen until probably next year, so no use worrying about it for now. The speed downgrades and upgrades will come hopefully by December.

I understand, so the case of regeneration is something that may or may not happen, we will have vol20 as well, so let's hope we get that kind of answer

 

[rainheart]

Gyazo

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does anyone has the Raw for this.. please

 

[Peak]

Gyazo

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does anyone has the Raw for this.. please

This is in volume 12 when Guy faces Yuuki in the prologue

 

[rainheart]

This is in volume 12 when Guy faces Yuuki in the prologue

yeah Ik just wanna see the Raw

 

[Peak]

yeah Ik just wanna see the Raw

Oh, I read it wrong, I don't have

 

[LoganKroos]

yeah Ik just wanna see the Raw

about being a higher level existence, it's because users of unique/ultimate abilities can defy the laws of the world, and in doing so they can become spiritual beings and defy the laws of physics, but Guy himself claims that it's impossible to transcend fully the laws of physics in that world, probably because that world was created by Veldanava himself, in the same way that Michael's supreme law of justice ability cannot be contradicted as it was created by Veldanava himself

 

[rainheart]

about being a higher level existence, it's because users of unique/ultimate abilities can defy the laws of the world, and in doing so they can become spiritual beings and defy the laws of physics, but Guy himself claims that it's impossible to transcend fully the laws of physics in that world, probably because that world was created by Veldanava himself, in the same way that Michael's supreme law of justice ability cannot be contradicted as it was created by Veldanava himself

but why does it says higher plane of existence... is it the TL

 

[V2001]

I got spoilers about Volume 20, do you want spoilers? But it was only a short chapter. that fell out only

 

[Catpija]

but why does it says higher plane of existence... is it the TL

you know when the author hype a power boost or gap such as "he is in a different dimension of us!" or "this power is beyond this world!"? yep thats it

 

[Peak]

I got spoilers about Volume 20, do you want spoilers? But it was only a short chapter. that fell out only

use the hide spoiler function on the site and send

 

[Peak]

Spoiler: like that

then you send the chapter

 

[V2001]

Spoiler: like that

then you send the chapter

Spoiler

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暴走と覚醒の最終章――

因縁の敵ミカエルを制したリムルであったが、各地では今もなお激戦が続いていた。
ミリム陣営と蟲型魔人（インセクター）の戦いもまた、両陣営入り乱れた混戦の様相を呈している。

理不尽なほどに力を持つミリムが本気モードに移行し、勝敗の行方は決まったかのように思われたそのとき、
戦場に氷雪の美女が現れ戦況を激変させる――。

その美女、世界に3体しか現存しない竜種の長姉“ヴェルザード”が
、圧倒的な力で場を制圧し、戦場を氷漬けにしてしまったのだ。

仲間を失い暴走を始めるミリム。

そしてミリムを止めるべく、リムルもまた戦場へと舞い戻るのだった。

大人気転生ファンタジー待望の最新刊、遂に登場！！


Am I doing it right?

 

[Peak]

Spoiler

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暴走と覚醒の最終章――

因縁の敵ミカエルを制したリムルであったが、各地では今もなお激戦が続いていた。
ミリム陣営と蟲型魔人（インセクター）の戦いもまた、両陣営入り乱れた混戦の様相を呈している。

理不尽なほどに力を持つミリムが本気モードに移行し、勝敗の行方は決まったかのように思われたそのとき、
戦場に氷雪の美女が現れ戦況を激変させる――。

その美女、世界に3体しか現存しない竜種の長姉“ヴェルザード”が
、圧倒的な力で場を制圧し、戦場を氷漬けにしてしまったのだ。

仲間を失い暴走を始めるミリム。

そしてミリムを止めるべく、リムルもまた戦場へと舞い戻るのだった。

大人気転生ファンタジー待望の最新刊、遂に登場！！


Am I doing it right?

yeah I used a translator, that's the synopsis, it looks good, it looks like someone might die, and not only that, it looks like Rimuru is still going to spring into action again

 

[Catpija]

cant wait for immeasureable rimuru to blitz everyone in the war

 

[LoganKroos]

cant wait for immeasureable rimuru to blitz everyone in the war

Zelanus and his eldest son must also have immeasurable speed so it won't be a stomp

 

[Catpija]

Zelanus and his eldest son must also have immeasurable speed so it won't be a stomp

everyone gets immeasureable for being able to perceive Rimuru

 

[JV_DLS]

I just hope that when Rimuru goes to fight, no being that isn't digital can see him or hit him.

Then we'll finally have immeasurable speed in Slime

 

[Peak]

everyone gets immeasureable for being able to perceive Rimuru

I would laugh a lot with the discussions and debunks this will have lol

 

[Peak]

I just hope that when Rimuru goes to fight, no being that isn't digital can see him or hit him.

Then we'll finally have immeasurable speed in Slime

Then even ordinary people can keep up with Rimuru's speed, I would just find it amazing

Then the whole verse receives immeasurable speed

 

[JV_DLS]

one thing i don't understand, do digital beings only have immeasurable speed when they freeze time? or is time automatically frozen for them because of speed?

 

[JV_DLS]

one thing i don't understand, do digital beings only have immeasurable speed when they freeze time? or is time automatically frozen for them because of speed?

Lol I wonder if this is really accepted and the entire verse of Slime gets immeasurable speed