Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Peak]

So Veldanava has no immortality type

He has, true dragons don't die of old age and resurrect over time, just like Veldora, why he doesn't resurrect is a mystery for now

 

[JV_DLS]

I don't think anyone in Tensura has Acas 5 yet, maybe a lot, maybe Veldanava prime does, but it's still invalid since nothing has been mentioned and the fact of giving up powers is pretty vague I mean can a character give up any form of Acausality?

I think it's better to focus on Acas 4, because with the information we already have from the LN, which is basically the same as the WN that is validated for Acas 4, Rimuru should get it when the Volume in question is translated.

The spirits of light and darkness, space and time can give TD, but only for type 1, but I don't remember any quote that indicates that any character is beyond them

TD 2 can be something in the future, because if particles of information compose everything in the slime universe, technically all slime dual systems are made of them, and something like being beyond information particles could give TD 2, right?

Okay People are getting their hopes up too high .

Veldanava can only have Transduality type -1 with Darkness and light no higher
Forget about Acausality -5 .I think type -4 is possible (There are few contradictions so I don't want to bring that up )
CM-1 is also possible .

 

[JV_DLS]

forgetting that, I'm more eager to know how Ciel will modify the new ultimate abilities that Rimuru obtained in Vol 19.

 

[Diablo_]

I don't think anyone in Tensura has Acas 5 yet, maybe a lot, maybe Veldanava prime does, but it's still invalid since nothing has been mentioned and the fact of giving up powers is pretty vague I mean can a character give up any form of Acausality?

I think it's better to focus on Acas 4, because with the information we already have from the LN, which is basically the same as the WN that is validated for Acas 4, Rimuru should get it when the Volume in question is translated.

The spirits of light and darkness, space and time can give TD, but only for type 1, but I don't remember any quote that indicates that any character is beyond them TD 2 can be something in the future, because if particles of information compose everything in the slime universe, technically all slime dual systems are made of them, and something like being beyond information particles could give TD 2, right?

CM -1 is Conceptual manipulation type -1 .Veldanava surely has it .Unless some contradiction shows up .
WN version also has CM-1

 

[Ovrhide]

BTW. I’m not well verse in the WN verse, so someone fill me in. Milim in her wrathful king satan form managed to fight someone who is superior to Guy,
So what did guy do to fight on equal footing with her going all out in the past?

 

[JV_DLS]

BTW. I’m not well verse in the WN verse, so someone fill me in. Milim in her wrathful king satan form managed to fight someone who is superior to Guy,
So what did guy do to fight on equal footing with her going all out in the past?

probably copied her mana reactor, and analyzed the combat pattern because when Milim uses her ability she literally goes out of control, fights without any strategy just getting into destruction, for someone as strong and as powerful as Guy to deal with someone like that is possible . After that, all she had to do was wait for Ramires to calm her down.

 

[Diablo_]

BTW. I’m not well verse in the WN verse, so someone fill me in. Milim in her wrathful king satan form managed to fight someone who is superior to Guy,
So what did guy do to fight on equal footing with her going all out in the past?

The More Angry milim is the stronger she becomes with Satanael .That could also be a great factor .
Guy just copied her abilities and then Ramiris also helped to calm down milim

 

[JV_DLS]

forgetting that, I'm more eager to know how Ciel will modify the new ultimate abilities that Rimuru obtained in Vol 19.

What do you think ?

 

[LoganKroos]

What do you think ?

he will be as strong as veldanava before giving away all his skills and being alone with uriel

 

[Peak]

What do you think ?

I think of two things for now, either Ciel will pass these skills on to some of Rimuru's subordinates, or he's going to merge it all into one or two ultimate skills, or maybe I'm traveling and and he does nothing but guard the powers

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

forgetting that, I'm more eager to know how Ciel will modify the new ultimate abilities that Rimuru obtained in Vol 19.

What I can think of is the possibility of Rimuru getting the Ultimate Skill 'Frost King Velzard' and integrating it with 'Azathoth', that's because Rimuru got Velzard's 'Dragon Factor'. It's also a good way for Ciel to tweak Velzard's skills so that 'Leviathan' appears and integrates it with 'Gabriel' thus creating 'Cthulhu'.

So Rimuru has 3 options (Storm - Scorch - Frost). It would be good that Rimuru could use all three at once on his sword.

As for the skill obtained after devouring Michael, it might be the way to bring the 'Akashic Record'. However, the basis of the 'Akashic Record' namely 'Ahura Mazda' does not exist. The holder of the low version (Unique Skill 'Creator') had died in volume 19. But it could be a change that occurred in the LN, so the basic 'Akashic Record' in WN like 'Ahura Mazda' and Velda's knowledge could be ignored.

 

[JV_DLS]

I think of two things for now, either Ciel will pass these skills on to some of Rimuru's subordinates, or he's going to merge it all into one or two ultimate skills, or maybe I'm traveling and and he does nothing but guard the powers

Ciel can do both, because when she was still Raphael she was able to make a copy of Beelzebuth, even more so now that Rimuru has evolved into a digital being because with that I believe her information manipulation skill must have improved, Ciel probably can do it. as many copies as you like, deliver to Rimuru's subordinates, keeping or modifying the originals

 

[JV_DLS]

What I can think of is the possibility of Rimuru getting the Ultimate Skill 'Frost King Velzard' and integrating it with 'Azathoth', that's because Rimuru got Velzard's 'Dragon Factor'. It's also a good way for Ciel to tweak Velzard's skills so that 'Leviathan' appears and integrates it with 'Gabriel' thus creating 'Cthulhu'.

So Rimuru has 3 options (Storm - Scorch - Frost). It would be good that Rimuru could use all three at once on his sword.

As for the skill obtained after devouring Michael, it might be the way to bring the 'Akashic Record'. However, the basis of the 'Akashic Record' namely 'Ahura Mazda' does not exist. The holder of the low version (Unique Skill 'Creator') had died in volume 19. But it could be a change that occurred in the LN, so the basic 'Akashic Record' in WN like 'Ahura Mazda' and Velda's knowledge could be ignored.

I think it's very likely that the skills we didn't see in WN could show up with this, because in WN if I'm not mistaken Rimuru didn't have those skills from the angel series before the end of the work, so I wouldn't be surprised if a powerful new skill was born out of those possible modifications.

As for the Akashic Record, I don't think it's time for Rimuru to get it as it's a very broken skill, if he did it now, Rimuru would not only gain all the skills in the verse (including the ultimate skills) but also resistance or immunity them, the fuse wouldn't do that now.

By the way Corrigan me if I'm wrong but in Vol 15 or 16 I don't remember for sure, when dino betrays Rimuru and turns against the labyrinth, he doesn't use a skill that is able to evolve his other skill into a skill Final? I vaguely remember this and wonder if I'm right or having a delusion

 

[Diablo_]

I think it's very likely that the skills we didn't see in WN could show up with this, because in WN if I'm not mistaken Rimuru didn't have those skills from the angel series before the end of the work, so I wouldn't be surprised if a powerful new skill was born out of those possible modifications.

As for the Akashic Record, I don't think it's time for Rimuru to get it as it's a very broken skill, if he did it now, Rimuru would not only gain all the skills in the verse (including the ultimate skills) but also resistance or immunity them, the fuse wouldn't do that now.

By the way Corrigan me if I'm wrong but in Vol 15 or 16 I don't remember for sure, when dino betrays Rimuru and turns against the labyrinth, he doesn't use a skill that is able to evolve his other skill into a skill Final? I vaguely remember this and wonder if I'm right or having a delusion

You mean Heavenly king Astarte ?

 

[JV_DLS]

You mean Heavenly king Astarte ?

I think that's it, it's a bit broken skill too, it doesn't seem to have many limitations, and even if it does, it must be something like the character having to put up with the final skill and the evolved skill must be a unique skill, I see this skill as something that can open up a lot of possibilities, imagine Ciel in possession of this ability, well, although she already does that too

is she from the angel series? if yes Rimuru must have won it right?!

 

[Zegion]

Bored for being too powerfull and can see and makes all outcomes he desire.

Really bro "But he abandoned these because he said it would be 'boring' to know the end result of his creations"

 

[Diablo_]

I think that's it, it's a bit broken skill too, it doesn't seem to have many limitations, and even if it does, it must be something like the character having to put up with the final skill and the evolved skill must be a unique skill, I see this skill as something that can open up a lot of possibilities, imagine Ciel in possession of this ability, well, although she already does that too

is she from the angel series? if yes Rimuru must have won it right?!

Heavenly king Astarte is either virtue or angelic series .

It's broken but obtaining unique skills aren't that easy either (unless you're Rimuru .)
wait its really broken !Dino can just Use it to get unique skills first and then evolve them !

Dino doesn't have his Fallen lord Luciel in LN yet may be he will use Astarte to get that.

 

[Zegion]

Astarte is angelic

 

[Peak]

Astarte wouldn't make a difference to Rimuru because he has no unique skill so he must be merged into something or given to some subordinate as well

 

[JV_DLS]

Astarte wouldn't make a difference to Rimuru because he has no unique skill so he must be merged into something or given to some subordinate as well

but he has his subordinates and many still possess unique abilities even within the patrons. And as you said, he could modify, maybe to evolve the final abilities like Ciel does, only more easily now or I don't know, maybe instead of evolving the abilities, modify it to evolve the user himself as a kind of evolution reactive even, maybe better than what he has

 

[Peak]

but he has his subordinates and many still possess unique abilities even within the patrons. And as you said, he could modify, maybe to evolve the final abilities like Ciel does, only more easily now or I don't know, maybe instead of evolving the abilities, modify it to evolve the user himself as a kind of evolution reactive even, maybe better than what he has

I feel like turn null is nerfed compared to wn, it would be nice to have another superior skill, but I think it would be better if he got it only at the end of the series

 

[JV_DLS]

I feel like turn null is nerfed compared to wn, it would be nice to have another superior skill, but I think it would be better if he got it only at the end of the series

I also feel, despite being before they changed the terms, Turn Null in WN was NEP 2, almost every time Rimuru or someone used it was to finish the opponent, it was a very strong skill in WN, although the reason for being half off in the LN maybe it's to make room for other future skills.

What kind of power do you say?

 

[Peak]

I also feel, despite being before they changed the terms, Turn Null in WN was NEP 2, almost every time Rimuru or someone used it was to finish the opponent, it was a very strong skill in WN, although the reason for being half off in the LN maybe it's to make room for other future skills.

What kind of power do you say?

WN is not NEP 2 because it is still an energy, and is described as negative energy.

I honestly don't know what kind of power, I said without thinking too much, but I trust Fuse's creativity

 

[Catpija]

WN is not NEP 2 because it is still an energy, and is described as negative energy.

thats just aspect not the nature type, you can have concept and still be NEP2 at the same time

 

[ImmortalDread]

WN is not NEP 2 because it is still an energy, and is described as negative energy.

I honestly don't know what kind of power, I said without thinking too much, but I trust Fuse's creativity

I thought it came out of nothingness, lol?

 

[JV_DLS]

thats just aspect not the nature type, you can have concept and still be NEP2 at the same time

I didn't know about this one, so Turn Null can be NEP 2 in LN?

 

[JV_DLS]

WN is not NEP 2 because it is still an energy, and is described as negative energy.

I honestly don't know what kind of power, I said without thinking too much, but I trust Fuse's creativity

I think the key to a new skill is the information particles, in Slime they make up everything be it concepts, worlds, dimensions and laws. A new skill that controls the information particles being able to create, destroy or alter everything inside the slime would be a good skill for the end of the job

and it looks like WN's Turn Null was NEP 2 some time ago before the term was updated

 

[Catpija]

I didn't know about this one, so Turn Null can be NEP 2 in LN?

nah

 

[V2001]

Hello, I want to know if the character Tensei WN can interact with Abstract Existence 1.

 

[JV_DLS]

nah

I don't understand, you said yourself that something can be NEP 2 despite being something like energy, Why can't Turn Null be NEP 2?

 

[Catpija]

I don't understand, you said yourself that something can be NEP 2 despite being something like energy, Why can't Turn Null be NEP 2?

because now its stricter than before, just being nothingness wouldnt qualify, you need to be neither of existence nor nonexistence

 

[Catpija]

Hello, I want to know if the character Tensei WN can interact with Abstract Existence 1.

depends on what is the Asbtrack Existence made of, majority of slime character can alter type 2 info, and fewer one can affect type 1 concepts

 

[rainheart]

Ln tensura cosmo is 2A would you guys agree in vol 11-12 rimuru explain that multiverse exist and how is it 2A is becouse chloe making a new timeline creating a juw universe all the time and the amount of chloe make a new timeline is infinite.. wel in the LN its stated endless cycle and in the anjme eps 24 its stated that the mask has go trough infinite time even beyond spacetime.

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

Ln tensura cosmo is 2A would you guys agree in vol 11-12 rimuru explain that multiverse exist and how is it 2A is becouse chloe making a new timeline creating a juw universe all the time and the amount of chloe make a new timeline is infinite.. wel in the LN its stated endless cycle and in the anjme eps 24 its stated that the mask has go trough infinite time even beyond spacetime.

Are you sure you read it correctly before spouting that bullshit?

In Tensura it is clear that there is no such thing as a branching timeline or an infinite number of timelines due to Chloe's action of Time Traveling.

Soon enough, Leon would appear in the history Hinata knew. Since Leon and Chloe were thought to have come to this world together, it would cause a special situation where two of the same person existed in the same era at the same time.
If one were to take the multiverse theory as truth—the idea that new universes, including parallel worlds, emerged one after the other, yet also at the same time—then perhaps having two Chloes at the same time was plausible.
However, if assuming there was only one world—
Chloe’s Unique Skill ‘Time Travel’ was an abnormal case, to the extent that the notion of multiple worlds shouldn’t be surprising. In any case, it was still hard to believe for Hinata.
It was more logical to think that the world was being remade. Or else, if many versions of themselves existed in many worlds, Hinata and Chloe’s efforts would be meaningless in the grand scale of things.
If there is a world that will be saved, then there is another that will perish—Hinata found this idea hard to accept.
That was why she made up her mind to end Chloe’s endless cycle and save the world. It didn’t matter if she had to be sacrificed in doing so. However, there was also a problem. And that was what Chloe had just said.
By the looks of it, my theory seems to be correct…
There really was only one world, and it did not allow the existence of a paradox. (Volume 11)

 

[Peak]

I thought it came out of nothingness, lol?

I can't answer this because I don't remember for a long time that I read wn, but in LN it was never treated as a nothing, but as a chaotic and destructive energy

 

[Catpija]

Ln tensura cosmo is 2A would you guys agree in vol 11-12 rimuru explain that multiverse exist and how is it 2A is becouse chloe making a new timeline creating a juw universe all the time and the amount of chloe make a new timeline is infinite.. wel in the LN its stated endless cycle and in the anjme eps 24 its stated that the mask has go trough infinite time even beyond spacetime.

literally the point of volume 11 and 12 is that Chloe's time travel doesnt produce branched timeline but instead reset it....how did you miss this

 

[V2001]

I want to arrange a competition between Veldora (web novel) VS Goku MUI, do you think it's good or is it a stomp?

 

[Diablo_]

What do you guys Think about resistance negation for Ultimate skill users ?Or at least negation resistance ?

 

[LoganKroos]

I want to arrange a competition between Veldora (web novel) VS Goku MUI, do you think it's good or is it a stomp?

Several characters of tension step on the back of dragon ball who will say Veldora

 

[Diablo_]

Several characters of tension step on the back of dragon ball who will say Veldora

It's not possible to fight ultimate skill users without an ultimate skill except few exception .And Unique skills don't harm an ultimate skill user no matter how strong they're Shouldn't ultimate skill user have at least 1 layer of resistance negation ?