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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

and what proves this is that no being can harm true dragons because they were made to be invincible as stated by Ruminas in volume 6, with the exception of ultimate abilities that can hurt them, and proven again in volume 16 where Dino tried to make Beretta fall asleep with magic, but as demons don't need sleep it was useless, mad when he used his ultimate ability, the laws were changed and Bereta went into a different kind of forced "sleep".
LoganKroos said:
follows the same principle as the web novel, in volume 18 Guy explains that Veldanava created the laws to govern the worlds, but these laws are not absolute and with a certain level you can change them, this level is the ultimate abilities, that is, everyone with ultimate skills have acca type 4 just like web novel
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LoganKroos said:
follows the same principle as the web novel, in volume 18 Guy explains that Veldanava created the laws to govern the worlds, but these laws are not absolute and with a certain level you can change them, this level is the ultimate abilities, that is, everyone with ultimate skills have acca type 4 just like web novel

and proven again in volume 16 where Dino tried to make Beretta fall asleep with magic, but as demons don't need sleep it was useless, mad when he used his ultimate ability, the laws were changed and Bereta went into a different kind of forced "sleep".
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Thats.....basic law manipulation

and what proves this is that no being can harm true dragons because they were made to be invincible as stated by Ruminas in volume 6, with the exception of ultimate abilities that can hurt them
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Nah that because they have resistance to magic attack and physical attack wont work because their incredible strength and non-corporeal nature
 
this is confusing me, where does cause and effect come in here? I'm not too knowledgeable on this subject to enter the debate.
 
LoganKroos said:
follows the same principle as the web novel,

everyone with ultimate skills have acca type 4 just like web novel
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no, in Web Novel Ultimate Skill User are released from Law of World(that govern fate), thats how Rimuru escaped from the time loop, while in Light Novel Rimuru escaped because Chloe slightly remembered the future and know how to change it
 
I want
Peak said:
this is confusing me, where does cause and effect come in here? I'm not too knowledgeable on this subject to enter the debate.
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I don't think anyone in Tensura has acausality type 4 yet .Causality is pretty simple to understand

"Cause and effect" is a relationship between events or things, where one is the result of the other or others. This is a combination of action and reaction. Something happens (a cause) that leads to an effect. Boost your understanding of this important concept by reviewing some key cause and effect examples.

Cause: We received seven inches of rain in four hours. Effect: The underpass was flooded.
Cause: I never brush my teeth. Effect: I have 5 cavities.
Cause: I've smoked cigarettes daily for 20 years. Effect: I have lung cancer.

But let's say It rained for 5 hours and the floor became drier instead of being drenched (It's different from the normal result ) it will be considered irregular causality and result in acausality type-4
 
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has nothing to do with the subject but could someone explain to me what is happening with Maou Gakuin, I saw some people commenting that Anos had been upgraded to 1-B, I went to look at the profile and nothing had happened and then I go to MG CTR and I see some people discussing Anos 1-C, Anos 1-B and even Anos 1-A, I even thought it was some joke but it looks like they will really update, despite having nothing to do with Slime in between from CTR, a person wrote a long text saying how Rimuru can't do anything against Anos, quoting Rimuru from LN, lol I don't even know what's going on anymore

I hope I'm not bothering you I just want someone to clarify this for me if they can 🙏
 
Even before i joined the fandom, there's already rivalry between those fandom, i wonder what caused it, imagine being the first guy to pit them against each other💀
 
JV_DLS said:
has nothing to do with the subject but could someone explain to me what is happening with Maou Gakuin, I saw some people commenting that Anos had been upgraded to 1-B, I went to look at the profile and nothing had happened and then I go to MG CTR and I see some people discussing Anos 1-C, Anos 1-B and even Anos 1-A, I even thought it was some joke but it looks like they will really update, despite having nothing to do with Slime in between from CTR, a person wrote a long text saying how Rimuru can't do anything against Anos, quoting Rimuru from LN, lol I don't even know what's going on anymore

I hope I'm not bothering you I just want someone to clarify this for me if they can 🙏
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Ignore those CRT. Anos ,at least the web novel version can never go past 2-A .
Anos is just 2-A .Silver sea basically contains multiple(99+) layer of infinite multiverse which isn't any higher than 2-A .
Is destroying multiple infinite multiverses a better feat than destroying a single one?

A: In spite of what our intuitions may tell us, destroying or fully affecting multiple infinite-sized multiverses is in fact not better than doing the same to a single infinite multiverse, and thus, not above the "baseline" for 2-A

The reason is that the total amount of universes contained in a collection of multiple infinitely-sized multiverses (even one consisting of infinitely many of them) is in fact equal to the amount of universes contained in a single one of the multiverses that form this ensemble: It is countably infinite, as the union of countably-many countable sets is itself countable, and thus does not differ in size from its components. The only general difference between multiple infinitely-sized multiverses and a single one is representation. What is considered to be multiple multiverses in one fiction could be considered a single multiverse in another, and vice versa, without the objective properties of those collections of universes changing. The only difference is where an author decided to draw the line between what belongs to the same multiverse and not. Thus, only an uncountably infinite number of universes actually makes any difference in terms of Attack Potency, at this scale.

This illustrates some of the more unintuitive properties of sets with infinite elements: Namely, given a set X, it being a subset of another set Y does not imply that Y > X in terms of size. An example of this is how the set of all natural numbers contains both the odd numbers and even numbers, yet all of these sets in fact have the same number of elements.

Similar to Attack Potency, affecting multiple multiverses by default can not be considered a feat of superior Range to affecting a single one. As mentioned before there is no real difference between the size or properties of one or multiple multiverses. Hence there can be no objective difference in range either. This is made even worse by the fact that what we considered multiversal range, as the distance between universes or the distances between things in or between multiverses, is usually not directly stated or quantifiable in fiction, but instead is approximated by the number of universes. That idea becomes meaningless if we try to quantify different ranges within sets of universes of equal numbers. As a consequence, even if one verse gave an indirect indicator of different ranges in its multiverse it would be impossible to compare to a different fiction where such a quantification doesn't exist.
For example, if travelling to another multiverse is said to take longer than travelling within the same one, that would seem to be an indication of different ranges, but at the same time one can not compare those informations to another fiction, as there is no way to tell how travelling within the same multiverse in another fiction compares range wise to either of those distances.

However, feats regarding affecting multiple multiverses may indeed qualify as higher range if the verse itself treats it as such. Those feats need to be relatively explicit and objective. For example, one multiverse being outside of the range of an effect or of the power of a character that can affect one infinite multiverse doesn't necessarily mean the multiverse is further away. Other factors such as differences in nature and domain of the multiverses or characters could, amongst other many other factors, also be the reason.
 
Diablo_ said:
Ignore those CRT. Anos ,at least the web novel version can never go past 2-A .
Anos is just 2-A .Silver sea basically contains multiple(99+) layer of infinite multiverse which isn't any higher than 2-A .
Is destroying multiple infinite multiverses a better feat than destroying a single one?

A: In spite of what our intuitions may tell us, destroying or fully affecting multiple infinite-sized multiverses is in fact not better than doing the same to a single infinite multiverse, and thus, not above the "baseline" for 2-A

The reason is that the total amount of universes contained in a collection of multiple infinitely-sized multiverses (even one consisting of infinitely many of them) is in fact equal to the amount of universes contained in a single one of the multiverses that form this ensemble: It is countably infinite, as the union of countably-many countable sets is itself countable, and thus does not differ in size from its components. The only general difference between multiple infinitely-sized multiverses and a single one is representation. What is considered to be multiple multiverses in one fiction could be considered a single multiverse in another, and vice versa, without the objective properties of those collections of universes changing. The only difference is where an author decided to draw the line between what belongs to the same multiverse and not. Thus, only an uncountably infinite number of universes actually makes any difference in terms of Attack Potency, at this scale.

This illustrates some of the more unintuitive properties of sets with infinite elements: Namely, given a set X, it being a subset of another set Y does not imply that Y > X in terms of size. An example of this is how the set of all natural numbers contains both the odd numbers and even numbers, yet all of these sets in fact have the same number of elements.

Similar to Attack Potency, affecting multiple multiverses by default can not be considered a feat of superior Range to affecting a single one. As mentioned before there is no real difference between the size or properties of one or multiple multiverses. Hence there can be no objective difference in range either. This is made even worse by the fact that what we considered multiversal range, as the distance between universes or the distances between things in or between multiverses, is usually not directly stated or quantifiable in fiction, but instead is approximated by the number of universes. That idea becomes meaningless if we try to quantify different ranges within sets of universes of equal numbers. As a consequence, even if one verse gave an indirect indicator of different ranges in its multiverse it would be impossible to compare to a different fiction where such a quantification doesn't exist.
For example, if travelling to another multiverse is said to take longer than travelling within the same one, that would seem to be an indication of different ranges, but at the same time one can not compare those informations to another fiction, as there is no way to tell how travelling within the same multiverse in another fiction compares range wise to either of those distances.

However, feats regarding affecting multiple multiverses may indeed qualify as higher range if the verse itself treats it as such. Those feats need to be relatively explicit and objective. For example, one multiverse being outside of the range of an effect or of the power of a character that can affect one infinite multiverse doesn't necessarily mean the multiverse is further away. Other factors such as differences in nature and domain of the multiverses or characters could, amongst other many other factors, also be the reason.
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I think I got it, thanks for the explanation

but they really did a CTR to level up Anos to outversal, and they seem pretty convinced they're going to make it
 
Stop discussing about maou gakuin and anos here, we should not care whether they upgrade or downgrade it. Anos and Rimuru are no where near comparable anymore
Thunderian said:
Can we use TensuraFan Volume 15 Translation In CRT because it's a 'Human Resource Proofreading' translation?

It's not like MTL Edited to me.
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Wdk how long it'll take for that vol. to be completed it is still on 85% and the existing translation is very rough so we need to wait for either of them
 
091Franky said:
Stop discussing about maou gakuin and anos here, we should not care whether they upgrade or downgrade it. Anos and Rimuru are no where near comparable anymore

Wdk how long it'll take for that vol. to be completed it is still on 85% and the existing translation is very rough so we need to wait for either of them
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sorry but as i said i just wanted to understand what is going on it was not my intention to compare the two
 
Thunderian said:
Can we use TensuraFan Volume 15 Translation In CRT because it's a 'Human Resource Proofreading' translation?

It's not like MTL Edited to me.
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MTL edited version also using "Human Resource Proofreading" tho, mainly Voxel. That part prob just to clarify that V15 in the middle of proofreading rn bcs it was at 99% compleated before they clarifying it.
 
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Diablo_ said:
I want

I don't think anyone in Tensura has acausality type 4 yet .Causality is pretty simple to understand

"Cause and effect" is a relationship between events or things, where one is the result of the other or others. This is a combination of action and reaction. Something happens (a cause) that leads to an effect. Boost your understanding of this important concept by reviewing some key cause and effect examples.

Cause: We received seven inches of rain in four hours. Effect: The underpass was flooded.
Cause: I never brush my teeth. Effect: I have 5 cavities.
Cause: I've smoked cigarettes daily for 20 years. Effect: I have lung cancer.

But let's say It rained for 5 hours and the floor became drier instead of being drenched (It's different from the normal result ) it will be considered irregular causality and result in acausality type-4
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the basics of acausality i understand, however irregular acausality confuses me, i don't know how to distinguish an irregular acausality as i read, hence the question anyway, thanks for the explanation
 
JV_DLS said:
Will there be any significant updates in Vol 14 and 15?
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There will be MANY changes, profile for Velgrynd, profile for Veldora, new key for the primordial trio, Rimuru true dragon, profile for Damrada, Tatsuya Kondou, new key for Frey and Karion, new key to all the subordinates that awakened in vol 14, and there's more, vol 15 Fuse really put everything he could into action
 
Peak said:
the basics of acausality i understand, however irregular acausality confuses me, i don't know how to distinguish an irregular acausality as i read, hence the question anyway, thanks for the explanation
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Regular causality:You attack someone normally they take damage

Irregular causality: You attack someone instead of taking damage they start healing or something else happens which shouldn't normally happen

This is how I understand it .
 
Diablo_ said:
Ap upgrades to High 6-A for patrons (Since they have evolved into TDL now ) ,New profiles and some newly added powers .
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Rimuru should get at least 5-B or high 4-C in the TDL key, as he was said to be comparable to a TD before awakening, and then even received Ciel, before he even absorbed Veldora.
 
Diablo_ said:
Regular causality:You attack someone normally they take damage

Irregular causality: You attack someone instead of taking damage they start healing or something else happens which shouldn't normally happen

This is how I understand it .
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I'm starting to understand, I'll save your explanations, thanks
 
There is an ability in Tensura called all creation, which is an ability that allows the user to know all the unhidden things in the world, that wouldn't be semi-omnificiency???
 
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LoganKroos said:
There is an ability in Tensura called all creation, which is an ability that allows the user to know all the unhidden things in the world, that wouldn't be semi-omnificiency???
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pretty sure it was said that the user must know the things first, for example Rimuru must know the existence of "Rock" to determine any hidden secret behind it, it was just some clairvoyance skill
 
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