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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Catpija said:
The WN kinda slightly hints this👀

Can such a being exist?

No, it must exist. It is undeniable that such a being exists.

However, for it to be a Unique Monster who was born from a collection of magic essences leaked from Veldora, by chance, is impossible.

Even if she looked at herself right now, compared to before, her condition is more optimized and in better shape.

She has a feeling that her energy levels has somehow increased.

So in other words, that slime, who manifested her, has a container that simply surpasses the total amount of her energy.

(I can’t believe it. Such a being…… as far as I know, there’s only one――）

「YOU, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU――――!?」

Yuuki shouted at me with the emotions of shock and agitation.

As I heard him, I laughed.

Yuuki’s silliness is too damn funny.

Yuuki is too ignorant to a fault, I can only laugh.

Mikami Satoru.

Rimuru Tempest.

――Or perhaps I can even be called Veldanava?

Me? Who am I?

Isn’t that obvious!

My name is――――――――
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this is acceptable, if it's really that and it has a good villain with a slightly better ending than the web novel, it would be perfect
 
Catpija said:
The WN kinda slightly hints this👀

Can such a being exist?

No, it must exist. It is undeniable that such a being exists.

However, for it to be a Unique Monster who was born from a collection of magic essences leaked from Veldora, by chance, is impossible.

Even if she looked at herself right now, compared to before, her condition is more optimized and in better shape.

She has a feeling that her energy levels has somehow increased.

So in other words, that slime, who manifested her, has a container that simply surpasses the total amount of her energy.

(I can’t believe it. Such a being…… as far as I know, there’s only one――）

「YOU, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU――――!?」

Yuuki shouted at me with the emotions of shock and agitation.

As I heard him, I laughed.

Yuuki’s silliness is too damn funny.

Yuuki is too ignorant to a fault, I can only laugh.

Mikami Satoru.

Rimuru Tempest.

――Or perhaps I can even be called Veldanava?

Me? Who am I?

Isn’t that obvious!

My name is――――――――
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one of the reasons why I don't like the webnovel, this is so boring, it seems that Rimuru is just what he is because he is Veldanava's reincarnation,for me, it breaks all the development that the character has
 
LoganKroos said:
this is acceptable, if it's really that and it has a good villain with a slightly better ending than the web novel, it would be perfect
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I don't think I would like it that way, Rimuru could even be an existence predicted by Veldanava since he was omniscient and Rudra once wondered if Veldanava predicted current events even after death, now him having some direct connection with Rimuru would disappoint me, I hope that doesn't happen
 
Peak said:
I don't think I would like it that way, Rimuru could even be an existence predicted by Veldanava since he was omniscient and Rudra once wondered if Veldanava predicted current events even after death, now him having some direct connection with Rimuru would disappoint me, I hope that doesn't happen
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if veldanava prevents the confrontation between Ivaraj and Rimuru in the same way that it did the confrontation between guy and rudra it would be much better, but this case for me is still acceptable
 
rainheart said:
u know that unlimited prison contain infinite imaginary space... and i presume u know wht imaginary space
is..
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unlimited prison does not have infinite imaginary spaces, nor does it take place proving this, it is only said that it is a complex number of dimensions, and it doesn't scale at all, because size is not everything that defines universe or multiverse, I recommend you forget about it and just accept that the verse is 2-B
 
Peak said:
unlimited prison does not have infinite imaginary spaces, nor does it take place proving this, it is only said that it is a complex number of dimensions, and it doesn't scale at all, because size is not everything that defines universe or multiverse, I recommend you forget about it and just accept that the verse is 2-B
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in volume1
and its also said in volume 5 that it is a complex number of spatial dimension... and complex number has the same cardinality as real number which is... 2^ALEPH 0 =aleph1
 
rainheart said:
in volume1
and its also said in volume 5 that it is a complex number of spatial dimension... and complex number has the same cardinality as real number which is... 2^ALEPH 0 =aleph1
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And where are you going with that? Even if it's true, it's still an infinite 3-A space, not universes or a larger scale, first of all, to be tier 1, it has to be clearly proven that dimensions transcend
 
And well, there are no transcendent layers in Tensura, they just transcend the 4th dimension in the last volume including
 
Peak said:
And well, there are no transcendent layers in Tensura, they just transcend the 4th dimension in the last volume including
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acording to FAQ and the TIRING system didnt explain if an dimensionality is aleph1 should has to be transcended or no.. and further more its also explain an 2^aleph0 is l1c without any explaination it is a higher universe..
On the other hand, an P(ℵ0) number of universes is Low 1-C,..
 
rainheart said:
acording to FAQ and the TIRING system didnt explain if an dimensionality is aleph1 should has to be transcended or no.. and further more its also explain an 2^aleph0 is l1c without any explaination it is a higher universe..
On the other hand, an P(ℵ0) number of universes is Low 1-C,..
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in short, a universe that has infinite universes inside it
 
Are you implying that the WN version of Slime is 1-C? I think even if you present all these facts along with the scans they won't accept it, from what I understand to level up, especially for level 1 you need solid statements from the work itself about the existence of a higher dimension
 
JV_DLS said:
Are you implying that the WN version of Slime is 1-C? I think even if you present all these facts along with the scans they won't accept it, from what I understand to level up, especially for level 1 you need solid statements from the work itself about the existence of a higher dimension
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no bro just explaining to bee ez
 
JV_DLS said:
Are you implying that the WN version of Slime is 1-C? I think even if you present all these facts along with the scans they won't accept it, from what I understand to level up, especially for level 1 you need solid statements from the work itself about the existence of a higher dimension
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its about the LN that unlimited prison is 2^aleph0 or aleph1...
 
and also for a moment i think its make sense in the volume1 chp1 it said traps the target in a infinite number of imaginary space...
Infinite number= Complex number since complex number is aleph1 and aleph1 can be said infinite.....
and imaginary space is spatial dimension
 
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The raws doesn't say that there're complex imaginary space in Infinite prison, it says infinite, and its likely only talked about the size, the closest we have about the amount is imaginary number(check volume 1 google translation), however this is heavily contradicted in volume 5 as its indicated there is only one imaginary space.

こうして、俺達は友達になったのだ。
さて、それでは出発しようかな。っと、その前に、 (で、行く前に一応聞いておくけど、その封印って解けないの?) (我の力では解けぬな。勇者と同格のユニークスキル持ちなら、あるいは可能性がある かもしれぬが......) (ヴェルドラはユニークスキル、持ってないのか?) (持っている。が、封印された時点で、全て使えないな。かろうじて、『念話』が出来 るのみだ......)
本来、勇者のユニークスキル 『無限牢獄』は、対象を永遠の時間、無限の虚数空間に 封じ込めるスキルであり、現実世界への干渉を許す程甘い能力ではないのだそうだ。 この場合、『念話』だけしか出来ないという考え方の方がおかしい。
時間とともに封印が弱まる事などないのだから、現実世界を認識した上、『念話』だ けでも干渉可能なヴェルドラの方が異常なのだと言える。
無論、俺もヴェルドラもその事には気付かない。 (よし。一回試してみるか......) そう言って、俺はヴェルドラに触れた。

This is how we became friends.
Well, then, let's get going. Before we go, I'd like to ask you, can't you open that seal? (I can't break it with my own power. If you have a unique skill of the same rank as a hero, there might be a possibility. ......) (Doesn't Veldra have a unique skill?) (He does have it. But when it's sealed, it's all unusable. He can only barely use 'telepathy'. ......)
The unique skill of the heroes, "Infinite Prison", is originally a skill to seal the subject in eternal time and infinite imaginary space, and is not so lenient as to allow interference with the real world, according to the report. In this case, the idea that only 'telekinesis' is possible is ridiculous.
The seal does not weaken with time, so it can be said that Veldra, who is aware of the real world and can interfere even with only 'telepathy', is more unusual.
Of course, neither I nor Veldra are aware of this. (Okay. Let's give it a try. ......) Saying this, I touched Veldra.

That's how we became friends.
Well then, shall we depart? But before that, (So, before I go, I'll ask you just in case, can't you break the seal?) (I can't break it with my own power. There might be...) (Does Veldora have a unique skill?) (I have it, but once it's sealed, I can't use any of it. Ron only......)
Originally, the Hero's Unique Skill『Infinite Prison』was a skill that confined the target in an infinite space of imaginary numbers for an eternity, and it wasn't an ability that allowed interference with the real world. In this case, it's strange to think that you can only do "Telepathy".
Since the seal did not weaken over time, it could be said that Veldora, who was able to recognize the real world and interfere with him alone through telepathy, was abnormal.
Of course, neither I nor Veldora noticed that. (Alright. Let's try it once...) Saying that, I touched Veldora.

いつも調子に乗って失敗しているし、ここは慎重になるべき時である。 ともかく、権能の確認だ。
アルティメットスキル・ウリエル
《解。究極能力『誓約之王』の権能は――》
いつものように、智慧之王さんに説明してもらう。 俺のエクストラスキルまでも、この中に統廃合されたらしい。残る固有スキルが、 「無限再生、万能感知、万能変化、魔王棚気、強化分身、万能糸」だけになってしまっ た。 そしてその権能――『無限牢獄、法則操作、万能結界、空間支配」の、主に四つ。
無限牢獄:対象を虚数空間へ閉じ込める。 万能結界 : 多重構成された複合結界と、空間断絶による絶対防御。 法則操作 :黒炎雷。魔力操作。熱量操作及び、慣性制御。自在に『胃袋』へと熱の出 し入れを可能とする。 空間支配 : 移動能力。位置座標を認識した空間を自在に入れ替える。

We always fail to get on top of things and this is the time to be cautious. Anyway, let's check the entitlement.
Ultimate Skill Uriel.
Solution. The authority of the Ultimate Ability 'Oath No King' is - 》
As usual, I'll let Wisdom King explain it to you. It seems that even my Extra Skill has been consolidated into this one. The only remaining unique skills are 'Infinite Regeneration, Universal Sensing, Universal Transformation, Demon King's Tanaka Ki, Enhanced Transformation and Universal Thread'. And its powers - 'Infinite Prison, Law Manipulation, Universal Warding, Spatial Domination' - are mainly four.
Infinite prison: confines the subject to an imaginary space. Universal warding: absolute defence through multiple composite wards and spatial severance. Law manipulation : black flame lightning. Magic manipulation. Heat manipulation and inertia control. Enables heat to enter and leave the 'stomach' at will. Spatial domination : Ability to move. Can freely change the space in which he is aware of his positional coordinates.

I always get carried away and fail and this is the time to be cautious. Anyway, it's a confirmation of authority. Ultimate Skill Uriel 《Solution. The authority of the ultimate ability Covenant King'' is--> As usual, I asked Wisdom King-san to explain. Even my extra skill seems to have been integrated into this. The only remaining unique skills are [Infinite Regeneration, Universal Perception, Universal Transformation, Demon Lord's Temptation, Strengthening Clone, Universal Thread]. And those powers――『Infinite Prison, Law Manipulation, Universal Barrier, Spatial Control』, mainly four. Infinite Prison: Locks the target in imaginary space. Universal Barrier: Multi-layer composite barrier and absolute defense by spatial discontinuity. Law Manipulation: Black Flame Lightning. magical operation. Thermal manipulation and inertial control. Allows heat to flow freely into and out of the ``stomach''. Spatial Dominance: Ability to move. Freely replace the space that recognizes the position coordinates.

Feel free to interpret this in any way you want, i just want to provide the raw and the possibilities of the real structure of Infinite Prison
 
Catpija said:
The raws doesn't say that there're complex imaginary space in Infinite prison, it says infinite, and its likely only talked about the size, the closest we have about the amount is imaginary number(check volume 1 google translation), however this is heavily contradicted in volume 5 as its indicated there is only one imaginary space.

こうして、俺達は友達になったのだ。
さて、それでは出発しようかな。っと、その前に、 (で、行く前に一応聞いておくけど、その封印って解けないの?) (我の力では解けぬな。勇者と同格のユニークスキル持ちなら、あるいは可能性がある かもしれぬが......) (ヴェルドラはユニークスキル、持ってないのか?) (持っている。が、封印された時点で、全て使えないな。かろうじて、『念話』が出来 るのみだ......)
本来、勇者のユニークスキル 『無限牢獄』は、対象を永遠の時間、無限の虚数空間に 封じ込めるスキルであり、現実世界への干渉を許す程甘い能力ではないのだそうだ。 この場合、『念話』だけしか出来ないという考え方の方がおかしい。
時間とともに封印が弱まる事などないのだから、現実世界を認識した上、『念話』だ けでも干渉可能なヴェルドラの方が異常なのだと言える。
無論、俺もヴェルドラもその事には気付かない。 (よし。一回試してみるか......) そう言って、俺はヴェルドラに触れた。

This is how we became friends.
Well, then, let's get going. Before we go, I'd like to ask you, can't you open that seal? (I can't break it with my own power. If you have a unique skill of the same rank as a hero, there might be a possibility. ......) (Doesn't Veldra have a unique skill?) (He does have it. But when it's sealed, it's all unusable. He can only barely use 'telepathy'. ......)
The unique skill of the heroes, "Infinite Prison", is originally a skill to seal the subject in eternal time and infinite imaginary space, and is not so lenient as to allow interference with the real world, according to the report. In this case, the idea that only 'telekinesis' is possible is ridiculous.
The seal does not weaken with time, so it can be said that Veldra, who is aware of the real world and can interfere even with only 'telepathy', is more unusual.
Of course, neither I nor Veldra are aware of this. (Okay. Let's give it a try. ......) Saying this, I touched Veldra.

That's how we became friends.
Well then, shall we depart? But before that, (So, before I go, I'll ask you just in case, can't you break the seal?) (I can't break it with my own power. There might be...) (Does Veldora have a unique skill?) (I have it, but once it's sealed, I can't use any of it. Ron only......)
Originally, the Hero's Unique Skill『Infinite Prison』was a skill that confined the target in an infinite space of imaginary numbers for an eternity, and it wasn't an ability that allowed interference with the real world. In this case, it's strange to think that you can only do "Telepathy".
Since the seal did not weaken over time, it could be said that Veldora, who was able to recognize the real world and interfere with him alone through telepathy, was abnormal.
Of course, neither I nor Veldora noticed that. (Alright. Let's try it once...) Saying that, I touched Veldora.

いつも調子に乗って失敗しているし、ここは慎重になるべき時である。 ともかく、権能の確認だ。
アルティメットスキル・ウリエル
《解。究極能力『誓約之王』の権能は――》
いつものように、智慧之王さんに説明してもらう。 俺のエクストラスキルまでも、この中に統廃合されたらしい。残る固有スキルが、 「無限再生、万能感知、万能変化、魔王棚気、強化分身、万能糸」だけになってしまっ た。 そしてその権能――『無限牢獄、法則操作、万能結界、空間支配」の、主に四つ。
無限牢獄:対象を虚数空間へ閉じ込める。 万能結界 : 多重構成された複合結界と、空間断絶による絶対防御。 法則操作 :黒炎雷。魔力操作。熱量操作及び、慣性制御。自在に『胃袋』へと熱の出 し入れを可能とする。 空間支配 : 移動能力。位置座標を認識した空間を自在に入れ替える。

We always fail to get on top of things and this is the time to be cautious. Anyway, let's check the entitlement.
Ultimate Skill Uriel.
Solution. The authority of the Ultimate Ability 'Oath No King' is - 》
As usual, I'll let Wisdom King explain it to you. It seems that even my Extra Skill has been consolidated into this one. The only remaining unique skills are 'Infinite Regeneration, Universal Sensing, Universal Transformation, Demon King's Tanaka Ki, Enhanced Transformation and Universal Thread'. And its powers - 'Infinite Prison, Law Manipulation, Universal Warding, Spatial Domination' - are mainly four.
Infinite prison: confines the subject to an imaginary space. Universal warding: absolute defence through multiple composite wards and spatial severance. Law manipulation : black flame lightning. Magic manipulation. Heat manipulation and inertia control. Enables heat to enter and leave the 'stomach' at will. Spatial domination : Ability to move. Can freely change the space in which he is aware of his positional coordinates.

I always get carried away and fail and this is the time to be cautious. Anyway, it's a confirmation of authority. Ultimate Skill Uriel 《Solution. The authority of the ultimate ability Covenant King'' is--> As usual, I asked Wisdom King-san to explain. Even my extra skill seems to have been integrated into this. The only remaining unique skills are [Infinite Regeneration, Universal Perception, Universal Transformation, Demon Lord's Temptation, Strengthening Clone, Universal Thread]. And those powers――『Infinite Prison, Law Manipulation, Universal Barrier, Spatial Control』, mainly four. Infinite Prison: Locks the target in imaginary space. Universal Barrier: Multi-layer composite barrier and absolute defense by spatial discontinuity. Law Manipulation: Black Flame Lightning. magical operation. Thermal manipulation and inertial control. Allows heat to flow freely into and out of the ``stomach''. Spatial Dominance: Ability to move. Freely replace the space that recognizes the position coordinates.

Feel free to interpret this in any way you want, i just want to provide the raw and the possibilities of the real structure of Infinite Prison
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welp it dindt get tl ....
虚数 try this i get this from the RAW or u can just search up complex number in google and try to match up
 
rainheart said:
welp it dindt get tl ....
虚数 try this i get this from the RAW or u can just search up complex number in google and try to match up
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japanese is a complicated language if search it up all of the context some will be missed and for the first scan of infinite number yes there is try to search 1 by 1 of the sentence..
無限虚数空間 for infinite number(try to search 1 by 1 of the kanji...
 
rainheart said:
japanese is a complicated language if search it up all of the context some will be missed and for the first scan of infinite number yes there is try to search 1 by 1 of the sentence..
無限虚数空間 for infinite number(try to search 1 by 1 of the kanji...
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無限= Infinite
虚数=Imaginary number
空間=space

infinite imaginary space
 
besides, i only want to give the raw and how both of these translator translate them, im not that free to manually do it
 
Peak said:
uhuu, who? Velgrynd and the Digital Beings?
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follows the same principle as the web novel, in volume 18 Guy explains that Veldanava created the laws to govern the worlds, but these laws are not absolute and with a certain level you can change them, this level is the ultimate abilities, that is, everyone with ultimate skills have acca type 4 just like web novel
 
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