Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Finally caught up to vol 14.

As usual Slime is dense in content, so many stuff to add and discuss.

Ignoring all that, been a while since i read a Slime volume and really reminded me why this is a top tier LN for me, just the level of intrigue and big brain moves, the clash of ideals, the power system/world building etc, good stuff.

Anyway i want to make a CRT, but this is gonna be a lot of work, to apply it all for one, and then all the new profiles that i have interest in making, and that's all ignoring the other series that i was working on + irl stuff....

 

[Community_Gamer]

Finally caught up to vol 14.

As usual Slime is dense in content, so many stuff to add and discuss.

Ignoring all that, been a while since i read a Slime volume and really reminded me why this is a top tier LN for me, just the level of intrigue and big brain moves, the clash of ideals, the power system/world building etc, good stuff.

Anyway i want to make a CRT, but this is gonna be a lot of work, to apply it all for one, and then all the new profiles that i have interest in making, and that's all ignoring the other series that i was working on + irl stuff....

I'm always down to help. I guess I should read the official translation for V14 at least once.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Finally caught up to vol 14.

As usual Slime is dense in content, so many stuff to add and discuss.

Ignoring all that, been a while since i read a Slime volume and really reminded me why this is a top tier LN for me, just the level of intrigue and big brain moves, the clash of ideals, the power system/world building etc, good stuff.

Anyway i want to make a CRT, but this is gonna be a lot of work, to apply it all for one, and then all the new profiles that i have interest in making, and that's all ignoring the other series that i was working on + irl stuff....

Glad to see you back on Slime. What’s to discuss?

 

[Community_Gamer]

Glad to see you back on Slime. What’s to discuss?

Oh haven't seen you in a while either

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Been working on another verse.

And the last time I did a CRT, I had to deal with Maou Gakuin fans (again), and I just cannot stand to deal with them every time a Slime CRT happens, really drains my motivation.

I do still love this series, but the Rimuru & Anos war is absolutely exhausting.

 

[LoganKroos]

Finally caught up to vol 14.

As usual Slime is dense in content, so many stuff to add and discuss.

Ignoring all that, been a while since i read a Slime volume and really reminded me why this is a top tier LN for me, just the level of intrigue and big brain moves, the clash of ideals, the power system/world building etc, good stuff.

Anyway i want to make a CRT, but this is gonna be a lot of work, to apply it all for one, and then all the new profiles that i have interest in making, and that's all ignoring the other series that i was working on + irl stuff....

if you need help i can try to help

 

[LoganKroos]

Been working on another verse.

And the last time I did a CRT, I had to deal with Maou Gakuin fans (again), and I just cannot stand to deal with them every time a Slime CRT happens, really drains my motivation.

I do still love this series, but the Rimuru & Anos war is absolutely exhausting.

this rivalry is a classic lol, it's already marked in history

 

[JV_DLS]

this rivalry is a classic lol, it's already marked in history

Too bad after Anos got stronger, he never had a fair contest again, so to speak, and so far there is no evidence that he might have.

 

[LoganKroos]

Too bad after Anos got stronger, he never had a fair contest again, so to speak, and so far there is no evidence that he might have.

it's because maou gakuin's wb and ln complement each other while slime's are different stories, hence the difference in power, but I think that when volume volume 19 is translated the difference will decrease

 

[JV_DLS]

it's because maou gakuin's wb and ln complement each other while slime's are different stories, hence the difference in power, but I think that when volume volume 19 is translated the difference will decrease

would decrease because of immeasurable speed, but I don't see how Rimuru can deal with Acas 5, transduality 2 and NEP 2, at most maybe in the not too distant future he will get Acas 5 and transduality since digital beings seem to be very promising, still Fuse will need to increase Rimuru's powers a lot for him to get around this

 

[LoganKroos]

would decrease because of immeasurable speed, but I don't see how Rimuru can deal with Acas 5, transduality 2 and NEP 2, at most maybe in the not too distant future he will get Acas 5 and transduality since digital beings seem to be very promising, still Fuse will need to increase Rimuru's powers a lot for him to get around this

Digital beings have type 5 acca as well, in addition to type 1 abstract existence and type 1 conceptual manipulation, transuality has chances to obtain with the great spirits light and darkness, and nep perhaps with the origin of Ivaraj and Veldanava

 

[JV_DLS]

Digital beings have type 5 acca as well, in addition to type 1 abstract existence and type 1 conceptual manipulation, transuality has chances to obtain with the great spirits light and darkness, and nep perhaps with the origin of Ivaraj and Veldanava

abstract existence and conceptual manipulation I even know, but when is something mentioned that from Acas 5 to digital beings?

I'm not very hopeful that it has NEP beyond 1. Despite that, what I want most is something like the power to control dreams, since it was mentioned that from a certain perspective reality could be considered a dream of the promised land, and that could be plot manipulation, but it's just a wish because I don't think it's going to happen

speaking of the promised land, if for some reason fuse decides to put plot manipulation into Slime, could that get around things like Acas 5, transduality, and NEP?

And what do you think happened to Veldanava since technically he can't be killed? I think somehow he might be in the promised land taking a break from humanity

 

[LoganKroos]

abstract existence and conceptual manipulation I even know, but when is something mentioned that from Acas 5 to digital beings?

I'm not very hopeful that it has NEP beyond 1. Despite that, what I want most is something like the power to control dreams, since it was mentioned that from a certain perspective reality could be considered a dream of the promised land, and that could be plot manipulation, but it's just a wish because I don't think it's going to happen

speaking of the promised land, if for some reason fuse decides to put plot manipulation into Slime, could that get around things like Acas 5, transduality, and NEP?

And what do you think happened to Veldanava since technically he can't be killed? I think somehow he might be in the promised land taking a break from humanity

acca type 5 for digital beings has been discussed on this topic several times and so far none have disagreed as digital beings are beyond all worlds and all their laws, time and space (including cause, order and effect)

 

[LoganKroos]

abstract existence and conceptual manipulation I even know, but when is something mentioned that from Acas 5 to digital beings?

I'm not very hopeful that it has NEP beyond 1. Despite that, what I want most is something like the power to control dreams, since it was mentioned that from a certain perspective reality could be considered a dream of the promised land, and that could be plot manipulation, but it's just a wish because I don't think it's going to happen

speaking of the promised land, if for some reason fuse decides to put plot manipulation into Slime, could that get around things like Acas 5, transduality, and NEP?

And what do you think happened to Veldanava since technically he can't be killed? I think somehow he might be in the promised land taking a break from humanity

plot manipulation is likely to happen, but it won't be for all characters obvious, probably only the elite tera, like veldanava of course, and possibly Rimuru, ivaraj and guy

 

[LoganKroos]

veldanava is not dead at all, as even though he has abandoned his "omnipotence" he is still a true dragon completely immortal, he only revives because he doesn't want to, or else he has probably finished his part of the "history" and is in the promised land along with Lucia

 

[Catpija]

digital beings are beyond all worlds and all their laws, time and space (including cause, order and effect)

no

 

[LoganKroos]

no

is anyone from any world independent of the type able to move in the suspended world without being a digital being? if you can't it's acca type 5

 

[Catpija]

is anyone from any world independent of the type able to move in the suspended world without being a digital being? if you can't it's acca type 5

you're saying you need to have type 5 acausal to move in time stop?

 

[LoganKroos]

you're saying you need to have type 5 acausal to move in time stop?

in tensura there are countless worlds with different laws, space and time, even "transcendent" worlds, the ultimate abilities allow you to change the laws of the world, the particles of information are what make up everything in tensura including laws and concepts, when you become a digital being, you can manipulate the information that make up existence and are free from the laws of physics and mathematics just like space and time and all worlds even without exception and even supreme ability users stop including Shion with her cause ability and effect, and the only way to fight in the suspended world and manipulating the information, if that's not acca type 5 at least until volume 19 I don't know what is

 

[Zegion]

How's that acasuality 5 tho? For acasuality 5 u need to transcend the system of cause and effect and even interacting with them is impossible

 

[LoganKroos]

How's that acasuality 5 tho? For acasuality 5 u need to transcend the system of cause and effect and even interacting with them is impossible

Can someone who is not a digital being interfere with a being of a digital nature?

 

[JV_DLS]

in tensura there are countless worlds with different laws, space and time, even "transcendent" worlds, the ultimate abilities allow you to change the laws of the world, the particles of information are what make up everything in tensura including laws and concepts, when you become a digital being, you can manipulate the information that make up existence and are free from the laws of physics and mathematics just like space and time and all worlds even without exception and even supreme ability users stop including Shion with her cause ability and effect, and the only way to fight in the suspended world and manipulating the information, if that's not acca type 5 at least until volume 19 I don't know what is

Well, even the ultimate abilities that can change the laws of the world don't work in the inanimate world which apparently has range across all worlds, but I don't think that of Acas 5, as from what I know, Acas 5 needs valid proof that the user transcends or is detached from any and all cause and effect, I think digital beings are the closest to achieving this since the information particles make up everything in Slime, even the system, but I think it needs more citations and even done, for example, if it had Acas 5 they would not be able to interact with anyone other than a digital being

 

[LoganKroos]

Well, even the ultimate abilities that can change the laws of the world don't work in the inanimate world which apparently has range across all worlds, but I don't think that of Acas 5, as from what I know, Acas 5 needs valid proof that the user transcends or is detached from any and all cause and effect, I think digital beings are the closest to achieving this since the information particles make up everything in Slime, even the system, but I think it needs more citations and even done, for example, if it had Acas 5 they would not be able to interact with anyone other than a digital being

i think the explanation so far volume 19 is enough to be acca 5 unless in the next volumes they show contradictions

 

[Catpija]

the particles of information are what make up everything in tensura including laws and concepts

not sure about that, there barely any concept feat/statement in the light novel, we don't know what is deeper but if it following the web novel, then concept should be deeper and makes up information

when you become a digital being, you can manipulate the information that make up existence

you don't even need to be digital being, Raphael can already manipulate information and even character like Ruminas can

and even supreme ability users stop including Shion with her cause ability and effect,

Werent any Ultimate Skill user can already do that? they have resistance to that

and the only way to fight in the suspended world

They are made of information that trascended time and space(not in dimensional stuff), that in turn make them have resistance to that kinda thing

if that's not acca type 5 at least until volume 19 I don't know what is

Can someone who is not a digital being interfere with a being of a digital nature?

They cant be interacted(even though this is still an assumption and yet to be shown in the series) because they are literal information, it would only grant them type 1 abstrack existence

 

[LoganKroos]

Well, even the ultimate abilities that can change the laws of the world don't work in the inanimate world which apparently has range across all worlds, but I don't think that of Acas 5, as from what I know, Acas 5 needs valid proof that the user transcends or is detached from any and all cause and effect, I think digital beings are the closest to achieving this since the information particles make up everything in Slime, even the system, but I think it needs more citations and even done, for example, if it had Acas 5 they would not be able to interact with anyone other than a digital being

acca 5 beings can choose to be touched or not

 

[091Franky]

Digital beings are literally introduced in last ch of last vol. so at least wait for the next vol because there is nothing that suggests aca 5 in it aside from headcanons. Wait how they'll treat in the world

 

[Zegion]

Can someone who is not a digital being interfere with a being of a digital nature?

We don't know that yet

 

[Catpija]

acca 5 beings can choose to be touched or not

same as incorporeal, or AE, or NEP character, that kind of stuff is actually stricter than how its look

 

[Zegion]

Anyway will vol14 give anything new to Rimuru?

 

[LoganKroos]

not sure about that, there barely any concept feat/statement in the light novel, we don't know what is deeper but if it following the web novel, then concept should be deeper and makes up information


you don't even need to be digital being, Raphael can already manipulate information and even character like Ruminas can


Werent any Ultimate Skill user can already do that? they have resistance to that


They are made of information that trascended time and space(not in dimensional stuff), that in turn make them have resistance to that kinda thing



They cant be interacted(even though this is still an assumption and yet to be shown in the series) because they are literal information, it would only grant them type 1 abstrack existence

but manipulating and being made purely of information particles are different things, and rimuru and ciel I don't remember for sure said that everything in tension is made of information, including souls and abilities, and even the cause and effect ability of the shion or even Velgrind's ability to transcend time and space are useless against a digital being, and only beings of the same nature can interfere with them, I agree that we need to wait for more feats, but everything indicates acca type 5 this I have almost certain

 

[LoganKroos]

Anyway will vol14 give anything new to Rimuru?

that I remember a small ap increase, the subordinates' skills must be given to him and new profiles must be created, that's all I remember

 

[Catpija]

but manipulating and being made purely of information particles are different things,

Just saying that manipulating information isnt impressive at all in slime

and rimuru and ciel I don't remember for sure said that everything in tension is made of information, including souls and abilities,

Still doesnt mean it also made concept too

and even the cause and effect ability of the shion or even Velgrind's ability to transcend time and space are useless against a digital being

There is only 3 digital being in slime, 2 of them just evolved in volume 19 while the other havent shown to be invulnerable from attack(in case you didnt know, Michael was getting damaged from Obera's army when he trying to find out why he cant use Castle Guard). this is still pure headcanon, as Velgyrnd and Shion never fought a digital being, even then Shion's skill can be easily resisted by Ultimate Skill User while Velgyrnd can only use Ctugha to travel to another world, its not combat applicable

I agree that we need to wait for more feats, but everything indicates acca type 5 this I have almost certain

If anything, nothing of this indicates type 5 acausal, at all. A character made out information that makes them cannot be interacted (again, no feat of this) is a blatant feat of Abstrack Existence(Type 1)

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

First off Laplace, does he need like a suppressed key, and unsuppressed key?

In the past he got his harm cut off by Treyni, and even in these recent volumes, fought with more powerful Treyni, for 10 days. This would suggest he isn't awaken demon lord level.

However its said he hides his strength, Gabil/Gabiru even after awakening would have a tough time beating him, Kagali thought he could have an even match with Kondo, and all the low digit Imperial Guardians are awakened demon lord level.

Same thing was said about Damrada, the Troupe thought Laplace could beat Damrada.

If the dude is this strong, you would think even if he is holding back, he shouldn't be losing limbs.

 

[LoganKroos]

Just saying that manipulating information isnt impressive at all in slime


Still doesnt mean it also made concept too


There is only 3 digital being in slime, 2 of them just evolved in volume 19 while the other havent shown to be invulnerable from attack(in case you didnt know, Michael was getting damaged from Obera's army when he trying to find out why he cant use Castle Guard). this is still pure headcanon, as Velgyrnd and Shion never fought a digital being, even then Shion's skill can be easily resisted by Ultimate Skill User while Velgyrnd can only use Ctugha to travel to another world, its not combat applicable


If anything, nothing of this indicates type 5 acausal, at all. A character made out information that makes them cannot be interacted (again, no feat of this) is a blatant feat of Abstrack Existence(Type 1)

Ok

 

[LoganKroos]

First off Laplace, does he need like a suppressed key, and unsuppressed key?

In the past he got his harm cut off by Treyni, and even in these recent volumes, fought with more powerful Treyni, for 10 days. This would suggest he isn't awaken demon lord level.

However its said he hides his strength, Gabil/Gabiru even after awakening would have a tough time beating him, Kagali thought he could have an even match with Kondo, and all the low digit Imperial Guardians are awakened demon lord level.

Same thing was said about Damrada, the Troupe thought Laplace could beat Damrada.

If the dude is this strong, you would think even if he is holding back, he shouldn't be losing limbs.

I don't think a new key is needed, despite several statements, it hasn't done very consistent up to the current volume 14, it should just have a standard 6b or 6a key and add "probably larger" I think that's enough

 

[091Franky]

First off Laplace, does he need like a suppressed key, and unsuppressed key?

In the past he got his harm cut off by Treyni, and even in these recent volumes, fought with more powerful Treyni, for 10 days. This would suggest he isn't awaken demon lord level.

However its said he hides his strength, Gabil/Gabiru even after awakening would have a tough time beating him, Kagali thought he could have an even match with Kondo, and all the low digit Imperial Guardians are awakened demon lord level.

Same thing was said about Damrada, the Troupe thought Laplace could beat Damrada.

If the dude is this strong, you would think even if he is holding back, he shouldn't be losing limbs.

Idk if you have read mtl so He doesn't needs suppressed key since he have multiple supporting evidence even in future volume that'll scale him to awakened level, It is more like He likes to play around. Treyni is not weak either since she and charys fought a strong 6-A foe for a decent time

 

[Peak]

(in case you didnt know, Michael was getting damaged from Obera's army when he trying to find out why he cant use Castle Guard).

actually the explanation for this was said in chapter 4, he wasn't a digital life form there yet, as he hadn't analyzed Velzard's Gabriel yet.

Michael lifted the ‘Time Stop’ and decided to crush Rimuru with an overwhelming difference in power. The ‘Time Stop’ had been obtained by analyzing Velzard’s ‘Patience King Gabriel,’ but it was useless to someone who could manipulate information particles at will. Since maintaining it would only consume unnecessary energy, he decided that it would be more advantageous to fight in a straightforward manner.

That's also why Michael didn't use immeasurable speed and time stop against Obera's subordinates, but honestly, let's wait for volume 20, it's something that was just introduced, we must not rush

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Treyni from way back during the orc disaster stuff did cut his arm off, though point taken about the current Treyni.

Also multiple characters like Benimaru and Apito got to 6-A via training, so don't think 6-A for the current Laplace is farfetched.

Another thing made clear is that magicule count doesn't necessarily equal combat power, cause Apito and even Zegion had only Arch demon levels of magicules but were way stronger.

So yea makes sense Treyni could fight a 6-A later on, even if her magicules are 2x above before which isnt ADL level, plus she could have been training.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Speaking of that, Benimaru trained and got stronger than Rimuru when he first awakened, and Rimuru was worried about Zegion and Diablo getting more powerful than him, that won't happen due to Food Chain, but i think Rimuru's 6-A rating needs to be expanded upon, when his subordinates awakened he also got stronger, current Rimuru is far above what he was when he first awakened.

 

[LoganKroos]

Speaking of that, Benimaru trained and got stronger than Rimuru when he first awakened, and Rimuru was worried about Zegion and Diablo getting more powerful than him, that won't happen due to Food Chain, but i think Rimuru's 6-A rating needs to be expanded upon, when his subordinates awakened he also got stronger, current Rimuru is far above what he was when he first awakened.

but what are you going to update? rimuru itself is already 4c, it will only have significant updates from volume 15 onwards, the only thing to be added is to put the new subordinates' powers in rimuru's profile and create the new profiles