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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20
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Give the raw scan, I can have someone translate it.
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I mean, I don't have the exact quote on Japanese, but I found this somewhere else in a Discord server regarding Slime:
-Vol.18 translated quote:
"He used to be tough. Guy did it, but I was helping to keep the planet from falling apart! "
"Hahaha! Ivarage's destructive power can shatter the stars if he's not careful. If we fight it carelessly, we'll be in big trouble."
Also, seems like the word "Hoshi" was mentioned, many people pointed that out in the server.
The word "Hoshi" seems to mean "Star" in Japanese.
This is what I found on internet:
Hoshi or Hosi/Hoshni (星) is the Japanese word for "star" .
And No, It musn't be mistaken with Planet, as Planet in Japanese means: (惑星) "Wakusei": "Planet".
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No Hoshi (星) could in context mean either planet or Star. Most series just use hoshi to say planet. Wakusei (惑星) is indeed planet but that word is rarely used in most series as it seems to be a more formal way of saying planet. Most series I’ve seen prefer to just say Hoshi (星) when referring to a planet. Examples include Boros from One Punch Man saying Hoshi when saying he will destroy the Earth. Zero from the Ultra Series saying hoshi when talking about how the Earth was originally destroyed by a bomb. There’s probably a few more but these two are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
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Either way, seems like the context of the little text refers to a star, as it's explicitly stated that X character was helping out not letting the Planet fall apart due to Ivaraje's power, then after it, It mentions stars like the next level of destruction that Ivar can inflict.
In fact, due to that, It would be ilogical to assume that "Planet" is repeated once more.
Thought we should ask Helestias to bring the raw scan in Japanese, as I think that he was the one that talked about the topic in this thread.
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That seems to have come from Charvandee's translation. It's a bit polished compared to others but she was using machine translators nonetheless.
I can only see True Dragon level characters being 5-B, likely 4-C at best. Until more info supporting 4-C exists.
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Well, I think we should just ask Helestias or someonelse to bring the raw scans from that quote in Japanese, then call someone Who has a good level of Japanese.
But I can see LN top tiers being 4-C or High 4-C, also, don't forget that the LN isn't ending yet and that we could reach WB novel Tiers in a very near future.
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Yeah I'm just saying that the majority of the feats and statements we have were 5-B. More than likely it's using the Hoshi word for these which can mean celestial bodies in general.
If there's gonna be a real, solid 4-C feat in the LN we've yet to see it.
If there's gonna be a real, solid 4-C feat in the LN we've yet to see it.
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Most of it are accurate, some are not really accurate but only the Holy Magic that actually lacks explanation in there especially for Spiriton/Spirit Particle, he even implied that it's still using Magicule to use which is wrong.
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Pretty sure this context means planet as they fought on Dagruel's territority.
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That's Milim and Gy tho. We don't know where the exact place Ivaraj and Guy fought. We only knew that Ivaraj escaped to Another World after that fought and sealed there which then become Aggressor World.
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Yes, they fought in other world. But here they're talking about if Feldway sent Ivalaje to cardinal world. Thats where the line "have to be careful to not destroy the planet" comefrom.
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Is that the point of that sentence above? I mean that quote refered to Guy vs Ivaraj in the past and how strong Ivaraj is right? That's why they said after this that Feldway is not dumb to release Ivaraj that he can't control.
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Yes, thats why Hoshi here refers to planet.
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2 lines are shown here.1st one says:
“It was dreadful back then. Guy took care it, but I also helped to keep the planet from falling apart!”
2nd line says:
“Gahaha! Ivarage's destructive power can shatter the stars if he's not careful. If we fight him carelessly, we'll be in big trouble.”
According to the fixed mtl by charavender
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Well, there should be a reason why it's translated as stars and not as planets. It's why the best ratings for the god tiers are "5-B, likely 4-C". Of course we can be conservative and just keep it at 5-B, since the majority of the statements are on that level.
All 5-B characters except for Rimuru doesn't even have profiles yet anyways.
All 5-B characters except for Rimuru doesn't even have profiles yet anyways.
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I still thinking Charavender translation is more accurate tho.
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Doesn't make sense. They're clearly talking about planet being shattered like the first statements was, reason it wasn't completely destroy is that because guy keep it from falling apart.
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Why it doesn't make sense?
Firstly, in the context of the little text refers to a star, as it's explicitly stated that X character was helping out not letting the Planet fall apart due to Ivaraje's power, then after it, It mentions stars like the next level of destruction that Ivar can inflict.
In fact, due to that, It would be ilogical to assume that "Planet" is repeated once more.
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That's literally why it doesn't make sense. They're clearly talking about the planet not literal a star. And How it is illogical? Idk who state the second one but it clearly saying "That's right. if ivarage is careless he'd ended up destroying the world" "It's thanks to guy that it didn't happen" sorry but the fact you think Hoshi can only means a star
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Well, I think we should just bring a translator and let's see if the translation is right.
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Charavender already read the Japanese raw.Its your wish if you want to translate it further again.As hoshi always reffers to either star or planet
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Yeah, the problem is that we don't know the exact contexto of that word.
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It's different to the Boros situation. It's referring to a single attack directed at a planet. The most logical conclusion is that it was referring to the planet that was about to get hit by Boros's attack.
The Ivarage situation was about the dragon being able to shatter either stars or planets, the key here is that it's plural. So with that powerful creature, Guy needs to protect the world from getting destroyed in the process of fighting Ivarage.
In this case, both stars and planets could work.
I'm not really pushing for 4-C ratings too much though, considering this is just one statement. Incredible claims, incredible evidence and all that. They're comfortably 5-B as of now.
The Ivarage situation was about the dragon being able to shatter either stars or planets, the key here is that it's plural. So with that powerful creature, Guy needs to protect the world from getting destroyed in the process of fighting Ivarage.
In this case, both stars and planets could work.
I'm not really pushing for 4-C ratings too much though, considering this is just one statement. Incredible claims, incredible evidence and all that. They're comfortably 5-B as of now.
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Anyways, although I'm terribly busy and probably won't be able to post it any time soon, but in the CRT I was making, some new info from volume 18 changes things a bit. Namely, Shogo Taguchi will lose several of his Resistances. V18 confirms that not all Unique Skills are inscribed into the soul. Some of them reside with or within the soul, some are in the astral/spiritual body, and some are in the material body.
Shogo's Berserker and Survivor IIRC are all in the material body, so he doesn't get the natural soul protection that Unique Skills inscribed to the soul grants to its users.
Though I don't have much care about the Falmuth otherworlders considering they aren't important at all in the scaling chain of the verse, but this distinction might be relevant for other characters.
Shogo's Berserker and Survivor IIRC are all in the material body, so he doesn't get the natural soul protection that Unique Skills inscribed to the soul grants to its users.
Though I don't have much care about the Falmuth otherworlders considering they aren't important at all in the scaling chain of the verse, but this distinction might be relevant for other characters.
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Huh thanks for your hardwork.Anyone gonna make Rim possibly 4-C overtime from travel Journals claim?
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Nah, I don't think overtime, maybe a "likely" would be better thought.
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He's probably talking about Rimuru's Gluttony/Beelzebub being 4-C over time, because the official translations described it to devour stars over time.
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Then that would mean that Ivaraje is truly Star level thought.
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Ivarage has no reason to scale off from Gluttony/Beelzebub, especially since Gluttony does the skill over an unspecified amount of time. Furthermore, checking the raws, it once again makes use of the word Hoshi so at best Gluttony/Beelzebub will get a 5-B, likely 4-C over time rating.
Until we get similar statements from the WN in the LN like Castle Guard tanking supernovas, we don't really have a very solid and definite 4-C feats.
Until we get similar statements from the WN in the LN like Castle Guard tanking supernovas, we don't really have a very solid and definite 4-C feats.
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But this time it used "stars in the sky" and its very unlikely to mean planets in the sky.Likely 4-C overtime is good though
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We will probably get speed downgrades, or something else. Too many Mach 100-1000 statements. We have to weigh in which is consistent and which is an outlier. And figure out stuff to properly quantify the speed.
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Yup.The only rel or rel+ probably is Velgrynd with sub lightspeed statement, Koundos bullet which is near light speed and Rimuru rel and ftl reaction with ciel and spatial dominion
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