Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Jozaysmith?]

Yes, particles can, but every time some form of digital life moves at "Infinite" speed, time stands still


I also think it is evident that they can move freely, as this is a characteristic of the information particle itself, not of the suspended world, but so far it seems like they needed to stop time to do this, that's what leaves me confused

Dagruel literally sucker punched shion outside time stop but also at infinte speed

Oscillation means vibration
- Meaning Dagruel moved without anything else in the air changing, Basically everything stayed constant while Dagruel simply moves, without causing other objects or particles in the air to change with him
- No matter how fast you are, you would still collide with particles in the air.
within the laws of physics that is.
meaning dagruel was so fast there's no change in period= instantaneous movement and speed transfer= infinite speed
https://imgur.com/a/0tepQOF
without time stop

 

[Jozaysmith?]

also fenn using glepnir
He ignored space itself tieing up wenti asif it was infinite length as described narratively

 

[Jozaysmith?]

the thing that was mentioned by ciel explained everything, she said you can inflict your wish within an information particle and then hit the other person
Literally anything you want like telepathy, punching the person and so many more an information particle will do it, it can also transfer information to any point in time which can serve as immeasurable speed in truth the information particle is like a processor for information
Like how you encrypt data and turn it into information in its process form then information particle works the same way for information and the fact it doesn't depend on time and space would mean it is also a means to serve digital lifeforms as BDE

 

[Shiraito983]

Beratta Profile new key is done

 

[JV_DLS]

Dagruel literalmente deu um soco em Shion fora da parada do tempo, mas também em velocidade infinita

So, this was the point that I found viable for free movement

but in terms of speed, I still believe that with what is in the LN, the Wiki would only accept it as infinite

 

[Shiraito983]

Yes, particles can, but every time some form of digital life moves at "Infinite" speed, time stands still


I also think it is evident that they can move freely, as this is a characteristic of the information particle itself, not of the suspended world, but so far it seems like they needed to stop time to do this, that's what leaves me confused

This isn't same as time control in wn.

 

[Bahaha]

Beratta Profile new key is done

The power modification scan doesn't work.
You have "https://gyazo.com/e581236a42dea1d821e416d43bcede30reverse" cited, but you need to remove the "-reverse" for it to work.
"https://gyazo.com/e581236a42dea1d821e416d43bcede30" works.
There is also a random space between "," and "madness manipulation" while there is no ending space between the abilities page and attack potency.

So, this was the point that I found viable for free movement

but in terms of speed, I still believe that with what is in the LN, the Wiki would only accept it as infinite

Don't spirit particles move through the barriers of time and space, making them phase in and out of reality sometimes? And information particles make up spiritrons.
Tensura follows real-world physics where the speed of light is the causality limit and nothing with mass can reach the speed of light. However, we are shown that spiritrons move at the speed of light, and information particles are faster than the speed of light.
Even then, we have seen with Masayuki's ultimate skill that information particles can move from the past to the future.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

The power modification scan doesn't work.
You have "https://gyazo.com/e581236a42dea1d821e416d43bcede30reverse" cited, but you need to remove the "-reverse" for it to work.
"https://gyazo.com/e581236a42dea1d821e416d43bcede30" works.
There is also a random space between "," and "madness manipulation" while there is no ending space between the abilities page and attack potency.



Don't spirit particles move through the barriers of time and space, making them phase in and out of reality sometimes? And information particles make up spiritrons.
Tensura follows real-world physics where the speed of light is the causality limit and nothing with mass can reach the speed of light. However, we are shown that spiritrons move at the speed of light, and information particles are faster than the speed of light.
Even then, we have seen with Masayuki's ultimate skill that information particles can move from the past to the future.

Yes
Should mean digital lifeform have no mass

 

[Elizhaa]

Elizhaa with that opinion now i feel like making a "Higher degree law manip" for rimuru again even though i swore that other one was going to be my last

This point can lead to invulnerability for spiritual lifeforms, from attack cancel/nullification and natural element cancel/nullification

Invulnerability got to change, with damage negation being the opposite of durability negation recently, which supports the notion.

I think law manipulation makes sense for skill; I recall a statement stating every skill gets reduced to a certain level/rules for ultimate skills, which felt weird initially, but it makes sense since it can refer to law manipulation.

So, I thought there was a case for layer invulnerability; spiritual lifeforms (usually have physical attack negation and natural elements); and then ultimate skill users would upscale from those.

I think there was a crt where those cancel/nullification were accepted as invulnerability as intangibility or incorporeality instead of invulnerability, given that it was argued they weren't physical, but it seems to apply when those spiritual lifeforms like demons can have a physical body, like the lesser demons case.


Edit:
It is just regeneration in the LN in the lesser demons' case; too much detail from Fuse again could shut down an upgrade, sigh.

I think WN was different; chapter 111 with Beretta and diablo; high aura can invalidate attack; physical attack nullification mentioned; so diablo has a magic body, sigh; if I recall, Beretta's body was physical from the doll, and the cancel/nullify skill can apply.
RIP another LN case, Beretta has physical attack resistance instead of nullification.

I checked Beretta's WN; I think invulnerability was also accepted in a pseudo-state now the comparable in the WN can be removed given that invulnerability got revised and basically attack/damage negation like said before, assuming it will be accepted; the aura case be limited to comparable.

• Physical Attack Nullification: An ability that nullifies the effects of physical attacks from opponents who are on comparable levels as the user. To harm someone with this ability requires that attacks aren't purely physical and are infused some sort of ability like aura, energy, etc.

I found a past discussion thread on WN; yes, part of it should be invulnerability, given the current standard.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

This point can lead to invulnerability for spiritual lifeforms, from attack cancel/nullification and natural element cancel/nullification

Invulnerability got to change, with damage negation being the opposite of durability negation recently, which supports the notion.

I think law manipulation makes sense for skill; I recall a statement stating every skill gets reduced to a certain level/rules for ultimate skills, which felt weird initially, but it makes sense since it can refer to law manipulation.

So, I thought there was a case for layer invulnerability; spiritual lifeforms (usually have physical attack negation and natural elements); and then ultimate skill users would upscale from those.

I think there was a crt where those cancel/nullification were accepted as invulnerability as intangibility or incorporeality instead of invulnerability, given that it was argued they weren't physical, but it seems to apply when those spiritual lifeforms like demons can have a physical body, like the lesser demons case.


Edit:
It is just regeneration in the LN in the lesser demons' case; too much detail from Fuse again could shut down an upgrade, sigh.

I think WN was different; chapter 111 with Beretta and diablo; high aura can invalidate attack; physical attack nullification mentioned; so diablo has a magic body, sigh; if I recall, Beretta's body was physical from the doll, and the cancel/nullify skill can apply.
RIP another LN case, Beretta has physical attack resistance instead of nullification.

I checked Beretta's WN; I think invulnerability was also accepted in a pseudo-state now the comparable in the WN can be removed given that invulnerability got revised and basically attack/damage negation like said before, assuming it will be accepted; the aura case be limited to comparable.

• Physical Attack Nullification: An ability that nullifies the effects of physical attacks from opponents who are on comparable levels as the user. To harm someone with this ability requires that attacks aren't purely physical and are infused some sort of ability like aura, energy, etc.

I found a past discussion thread on WN; yes, part of it should be invulnerability, given the current standard.

At this point spiritual life forms should have a physiology page i think there was a thread made for that, about invulnerability and other stuff like will power and all and i will focus on this thanks well after upgrading slime to the point where there's no need to upgrade him again

 

[Elizhaa]

I checked that Diablo (LN) have a physical body and below in Ln volume 7 before his new key/form

• Physical Attack Nullification: An ability which nullifies physical attacks used against him.

The issue is that his character status states that he just resists attacks and does not nullify them; obviously, the story takes precedence, and this case is clearly an inconsistency.
I think this case brings Beretta's case into question.
Part of me feels like I want to give up, given some of the inconsistencies that I just read in the series.

Yes, changes can be gradual.

 

[Shiraito983]

Geld

 

[Nxdia00]

I checked that Diablo (LN) have a physical body and below in Ln volume 7 before his new key/form

• Physical Attack Nullification: An ability which nullifies physical attacks used against him.

The issue is that his character status states that he just resists attacks and does not nullify them; obviously, the story takes precedence, and this case is clearly an inconsistency.
I think this case brings Beretta's case into question.
Part of me feels like I want to give up, given some of the inconsistencies that I just read in the series.

Yes, changes can be gradual.

Actually, it just YP being YP. In the raw, it clearly stated as Physical Attack Nullification (物理攻撃無効). It's not that surprising considering Tempter and Wiseman are Ultimate Skills there too lol. YP errors already a dime a dozen after all especially in their stats pages.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I checked that Diablo (LN) have a physical body and below in Ln volume 7 before his new key/form

• Physical Attack Nullification: An ability which nullifies physical attacks used against him.

The issue is that his character status states that he just resists attacks and does not nullify them; obviously, the story takes precedence, and this case is clearly an inconsistency.
I think this case brings Beretta's case into question.
Part of me feels like I want to give up, given some of the inconsistencies that I just read in the series.

Yes, changes can be gradual.

Should be a Translation issue tbh
But since the anime follows yenpress i guess we have to too right

 

[Nxdia00]

Should be a Translation issue tbh
But since the anime follows yenpress i guess we have to too right

What? How is Anime follows YP? I get it If you mean the ofc Anime's sub, etc. follows YP, but the Anime follows YP?

 

[Shiraito983]

What? How is Anime follows YP? I get it If you mean the ofc Anime's sub, etc. follows YP, but the Anime follows YP?

Ln eng

 

[Nxdia00]

Ln eng

Idk what you mean by that...YP is the ofc eng tl of the LN sure. But why he said Anime follows YP? Like how it even follows YP?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Idk what you mean by that...YP is the ofc eng tl of the LN sure. But why he said Anime follows YP? Like how it even follows YP?

Literally anime calling sarion tharion
Covenant king called lord of vows
Lots of shit follows the yenpress translation i mean that's super obvious i wonder why you're confused

 

[Nxdia00]

Literally anime calling sarion tharion
Covenant king called lord of vows
Lots of shit follows the yenpress translation i mean that's super obvious i wonder why you're confused

Bro, that's not what Anime follows YP is. It basically just this.

What? How is Anime follows YP? I get it If you mean the ofc Anime's sub, etc. follows YP, but the Anime follows YP?

Not Anime actually follows YP, but the Anime's translator that follows YP.

Not to mention, you said that we should follows YP even if they are wrong in this context of YP making errors, just bcs the Anime's tl follows YP, actually quite shocked me.

Should be a Translation issue tbh
But since the anime follows yenpress i guess we have to too right

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Bro, that's not what Anime follows YP is. It basically just this.

Not Anime actually follows YP, but the Anime's translator that follows YP.

Not to mention, you said that we should follows YP even if they are wrong in this context of YP making errors, just bcs the Anime's tl follows YP, actually quite shocked me.

Ok

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I checked that Diablo (LN) have a physical body and below in Ln volume 7 before his new key/form

• Physical Attack Nullification: An ability which nullifies physical attacks used against him.

The issue is that his character status states that he just resists attacks and does not nullify them; obviously, the story takes precedence, and this case is clearly an inconsistency.
I think this case brings Beretta's case into question.
Part of me feels like I want to give up, given some of the inconsistencies that I just read in the series.

Yes, changes can be gradual.

Elizhaa
I wanted to see if speed isn't really a constant through out slime
Since they said it might be something a rule only in the cardinal world?
And i wanted to release a complete upgrade on rimuru consideirng Volume 16 his skills and everything
Additionally i want to create a profile for Veldanava (please help with this)
It wont be much
I can't create profiles yet

 

[Bahaha]

Clayman spinoff showcases that every character in Tensura can get stronger by just fighting, this also increases their magicule counts somehow. So maybe a CRT to add accelerated development (battle) for every character in Tensura.
We also got to see adult Chloe battle Clayman!! She seems to be able to have premonitions of some events happening.
EDIT: WAIT does this mean that the Clayman spinoff is possibly another timeline?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Clayman spinoff showcases that every character in Tensura can get stronger by just fighting, this also increases their magicule counts somehow. So maybe a CRT to add accelerated development (battle) for every character in Tensura.
We also got to see adult Chloe battle Clayman!! She seems to be able to have premonitions of some events happening.
EDIT: WAIT does this mean that the Clayman spinoff is possibly another timeline?

Its a spin off
I don't think it have anything to do with the main story since the main story said they are no alternate timelines

 

[Jozaysmith?]

And make a crt yourself if you feel everyone should get accelerated development

 

[Elizhaa]

Clayman spinoff showcases that every character in Tensura can get stronger by just fighting, this also increases their magicule counts somehow. So maybe a CRT to add accelerated development (battle) for every character in Tensura.
We also got to see adult Chloe battle Clayman!! She seems to be able to have premonitions of some events happening.
EDIT: WAIT does this mean that the Clayman spinoff is possibly another timeline?

Which chapter, though?

I think there was another case with demons or spiritual lifeforms becoming stronger depending on their emotion which can work in battles, in the WN (Chapter 180); maybe a similar statement is in Volume 15 like this one in chapter 1.

I found another support for the statement about skills having law manipulation, in volume 15, chapter 2.

 

[Bahaha]

Its a spin off
I don't think it have anything to do with the main story since the main story said they are no alternate timelines

It may not have anything to do with the main story, but the mechanics behind the world is still the same between both stories.

And make a crt yourself if you feel everyone should get accelerated development

here

Which chapter, though?

Chapter 17, I got the scans in the thread.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Which chapter, though?

I think there was another case with demons or spiritual lifeforms becoming stronger depending on their emotion which can work in battles, in the WN (Chapter 180); maybe a similar statement is in Volume 15 like this one in chapter 1.

I found another support for the statement about skills having law manipulation, in volume 15, chapter 2.

Thank you for your support i will start full upgrade tomorrow

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Rimuru Volume 16 complete upgrade

Alright back at it again no more (small upgrades) and am here to completely upgrade slime boy first of all his hax Should be simple enough Void manipulation with Nihility banish Summoning with true dragon summoning Greatly enhanced space time manipulation or infinte speed teleportation via Space...

vsbattles.com

Back again

 

[Ashborn69]

Hey guys correct me if I'm wrong, but if Magic is reality manip and law manip wouldn't "Anti-magic area" be reality manip and law manip negation? And then Rimuru would get resistance to reality manip and law manip negation by resisting Anti-magic area?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Hey guys correct me if I'm wrong, but if Magic is reality manip and law manip wouldn't "Anti-magic area" be reality manip and law manip negation? And then Rimuru would get resistance to reality manip and law manip negation by resisting Anti-magic area?

No
That's just power null get your fact right

 

[Ashborn69]

No
That's just power null get your fact right

Ok no worries

Edit*
Tbf power null is I think a synonym for negation tho

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Ok no worries

Edit*
Tbf power null is I think a synonym for negation tho

True

 

[Ashborn69]

True

So does resistance to reality and law manip negation qualify for Rimuru?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

So does resistance to reality and law manip negation qualify for Rimuru?

No
Power nullification is preventing an attack from working
Negation is returning the attack to 0

 

[Ashborn69]

No
Power nullification is preventing an attack from working
Negation is returning the attack to 0

So Resistance to power null on reality and law manip, is that agreeable?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

So Resistance to power null on reality and law manip, is that agreeable?

Don't ask me bro am not an admin

 

[Ashborn69]

Don't ask me bro am not an admin

That's fair, well if you want to make another slime crt or anyone, I would like it to be address as well, have a good day bro.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Rimuru already have reality warping resistance and all so there's no need for a crt

That's fair, well if you want to make another slime crt or anyone, I would like it to be address as well, have a good day bro.

 

[Bahaha]

So Resistance to power null on reality and law manip, is that agreeable?

It would just be resistance to power null if I am correct.

 

[Doomrider7]

Wanted to ask about a clarification about a post about Veldora, but why was it theorized that he would permanently die if he had been left in the cave when he monologs that he WOULD die, but just reincarnate like he usually does?