Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Diablo_]

by the way should we make a rematch between xeno goku and eos rimuru

Umm why ?

 

[Catpija]

by the way should we make a rematch between xeno goku and eos rimuru

nah let's wait for bit. We should increase our Arsenal first

 

[Diablo_]

I would say Beni>Jahil>Luminas now reason..
"Prominence Acceleration!"Prominence Acceleration!

It was a radiance like the black sun.

The jet-black darkness was colored by red flames.

The black and crimson sunlight with vicious violence took the shape of an oriental dragon. Then, as if it had a will of its own, it swirled and attacked Milim, trying to swallow him up...
This thing would erase them..
Its using. Turn null energy for u know..

Is the really enough ?
The powercaling is really messed up now .
1.Luminous>Jahil> Benimaru I support this one since Zalario also said that Jahil couldn't have taken Luminous alone .
2.There's no way Beni should be above Primordial trio .I don't get it but Rimuru overestimates Beni too much .
Careera defeated Zess who is comparable to Zalario and then Peliod with the help of kondou .Even Zelanus was afraid of her judgement .
Ultima legit fought Fenn a true dragon level guy .

So why is everyone still like Benimaru> Trio ?

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Umm why ?

you know rimuru has a transduality now

 

[rainheart]

Is the really enough ?
The powercaling is really messed up now .
1.Luminous>Jahil> Benimaru I support this one since Zalario also said that Jahil couldn't have taken Luminous alone .
2.There's no way Beni should be above Primordial trio .I don't get it but Rimuru overestimates Beni too much .
Careera defeated Zess who is comparable to Zalario and then Peliod with the help of kondou .Even Zelanus was afraid of her judgement .
Ultima legit fought Fenn a true dragon level guy .

So why is everyone still like Benimaru> Trio ?

For WN yeah beni trio but LN Carrera>testa>Beni>Ultima.....
And for what zalario says its can be a misscalulation tho.. Jahil likely would easily win againt luminas with his experience and hes Spear...
Like i sayd beni now is stronger the attack that he launched at Milim could prolly Killed luminas and jahil even the primo.. but in term of experience beni loses..

 

[rainheart]

And prolly shion on Vol 21 when she got her US she would be on top the trio Primo...even luminas.. and shion likely would get the Highest Feats of all rimuru subordinate.. and so carrera.
And i have a theory that Vega gonna be just like zero at the WN he likely would be the Evil dragon in the labyrinth.

 

[Diablo_]

For WN yeah beni trio but LN Carrera>testa>Beni>Ultima.....
And for what zalario says its can be a misscalulation tho.. Jahil likely would easily win againt luminas with his experience and hes Spear...
Like i sayd beni now is stronger the attack that he launched at Milim could prolly Killed luminas and jahil even the primo.. but in term of experience beni loses..

There's Two statements saying Luminous >Jahil (One shion and other Zalario ,Rimuru supported saying the gap isn't huge )

Fighting Fenn isn't enough for Ultima to be above Beni ?

Benimaru can't defeat Jahil: "If it was Benimaru alone it would've been impossible to defeat Jahil.Because of the same lineage Benimaru lacks decisiveness .No matter how hard benimaru trues he can't beat Jahil "
Later Rimuru also Supported this saying similar things .

Sorry but Luminous is way too much underrated .She's just unlucky that her opponent is super strong Dagruel who can even use SW .

Prominence acceleration huh Hmm that's one of the reason Beni was Beni in WN since it uses nihility energy .I haven't reached that part yet .So my opinion might change .

 

[Diablo_]

After finishing Volume -20 I think We should wait for Volume-21 to say who's stronger than who .There's a lot of unfinished fights and confusing statements in this chapter .
Ultima and Diablo can move in SW now and Top tiers are Star level or higher and some midhigh are planetary .That's a good boost overall but he speed didn't increase much "DOZENS OF TIME FASTER THAN SOUND" -
So are we going to nerf Hinata dodging lightspeed Attacks ?(She dodged Grandbell's Melt slash )

 

[LoganKroos]

After finishing Volume -20 I think We should wait for Volume-21 to say who's stronger than who .There's a lot of unfinished fights and confusing statements in this chapter .
Ultima and Diablo can move in SW now and Top tiers are Star level or higher and some midhigh are planetary .That's a good boost overall but he speed didn't increase much "DOZENS OF TIME FASTER THAN SOUND" -
So are we going to nerf Hinata dodging lightspeed Attacks ?(She dodged Grandbell's Melt slash )

no, disintegration moves at the speed of light that's a fact but the others are way below that

 

[Catpija]

So are we going to nerf Hinata dodging lightspeed Attacks ?(She dodged Grandbell's Melt slash ) [/B]

Did Hinata fought Granbell in newest volume?

 

[donegbe]

Please can someone give me a link for vol 20 of the light novel?

 

[rainheart]

just search slime reader

Please can someone give me a link for vol 20 of the light novel?

 

[rainheart]

and btw there is somethin new bro what is star particle its kinda intresthing.. is it more power full than IP

 

[rainheart]

btw guy just to be sure is it right that no need to be an DLF to move here...
The fact that those who can recognize the Suspended World are connected to each other by the Soul Corridor is so exceptional that I was speechless.

In this case, anything is possible.

But I will not hold back.

'Ultima, please!

'Yes, sir! Rimuru-sama, leave it to me ! Veldora-sama, is this all right?

Thank you! Quahahaaha, my turn has come at last ! ' Veldora's laughter is so encouraging that I can't help but laugh.

Veldora's laughter is encouraging.

Moreover, the fact that Diablo and Ultima are now able to recognize the "Suspended World" is also very reassuring in this situation...
Ultima just response to rimuru and sayd "
Yes, sir! Rimuru-sama, leave it to me ! Veldora-sama, is this all right?"

 

[Diablo_]

Did Hinata fought Granbell in newest volume?

No but she dodged Grandbell's Melt slash in Volume-11 .I was wondering if her speed will be downgraded by recent feats .

 

[Diablo_]

btw guy just to be sure is it right that no need to be an DLF to move here...
The fact that those who can recognize the Suspended World are connected to each other by the Soul Corridor is so exceptional that I was speechless.

In this case, anything is possible.

But I will not hold back.

'Ultima, please!

'Yes, sir! Rimuru-sama, leave it to me ! Veldora-sama, is this all right?

Thank you! Quahahaaha, my turn has come at last ! ' Veldora's laughter is so encouraging that I can't help but laugh.

Veldora's laughter is encouraging.

Moreover, the fact that Diablo and Ultima are now able to recognize the "Suspended World" is also very reassuring in this situation...
Ultima just response to rimuru and sayd "
Yes, sir! Rimuru-sama, leave it to me ! Veldora-sama, is this all right?"

Right now those who can move in SW are Michael,Rudra,Chloe,Feldway,Guy,Velzard,Milim,Rimuru,Dagruel,Ultima ,Veldora and Diablo .Luminous can't and Shion is dea- ...unconscious .I think Fenn can
Too .
Rimuru was talking about something like Transferring information particles .May be that has something to do Diablo and Ultima being able to move in SW .

 

[rainheart]

Right now those who can move in SW are Michael,Rudra,Chloe,Feldway,Guy,Velzard,Milim,Rimuru,Dagruel,Ultima ,Veldora and Diablo .Luminous can't and Shion is dea- ...unconscious .I think Fenn can
Too .
Rimuru was talking about something like Transferring information particles .May be that has something to do Diablo and Ultima being able to move in SW .

Actually rimuru was transfering the information about SW to their sub so they can recognize SW...
and if its like the WN shion can move due her reality warp.. and lumi only has conscious.. but still can think..

 

[Peak]

nah the jahil that Luminas defeat it was before he reincarnated to Footman body for now Jahil is superior.. Benimaru>Luminas for now he able to use rimuru TN... and prolyy there will be a rematched for beni vs jahil since jahil isnt ded..

no, Rimuru knows Jahil's strength and stated that Luminas could defeat him, and Benimaru became superior because of Turn null, and Rimuru said that Luminas is superior to Benimaru because he didn't know that as Ciel was acting discreetly

Currently the order would be: Benimaru with Turn null>Luminas>Jahil>Benimaru without turn null

It has also been stated several times that Benimaru was no match for Jahil, this changes when he manages to use the null turn

 

[rainheart]

no, Rimuru knows Jahil's strength and stated that Luminas could defeat him, and Benimaru became superior because of Turn null, and Rimuru said that Luminas is superior to Benimaru because he didn't know that as Ciel was acting discreetly

Currently the order would be: Benimaru with Turn null>Luminas>Jahil>Benimaru without turn null

It has also been stated several times that Benimaru was no match for Jahil, this changes when he manages to use the null turn

what do you think luminas EP... i estimated her EP prolly around 3M-4M...and also leon should be arround 9M its sayd that hes EP is not far from zalario which if i remember zala EP is 10M or 20M i forgot.... but i hope theres a rematched for jahil vs rimuru..and anyways.. strengh Jahil>Beni>Luminas experience Luminas>Jahil>beni Haxx Beni>Luminas>Jahil..
since luminas has more experience yeah she would wins...do u agree.

 

[Peak]

It wasn't Rimuru's calculation, in fact, Rimuru's calculation was the opposite, it was Shion who said "I see, Then Luminas-sama who defeated such an opponent is stronger than Benimaru, isn't he?"

And also "Don't be in such a hurry, You couldn't have taken down Demon Lord Luminas by yourself anyway" . - 224 (Zalario)

yes, and Rimuru says right away:

"I see, then Luminas-sama who defeated such an opponent is stronger than Benimaru, isn't he?

That's right.

That's what I was wondering, too.

No, in my opinion, there is not such a big difference in strength between Luminas and Benimaru.

That's why I thought Luminas and Benimaru were in danger, and that's why I rushed to the scene. I also wanted to know how Luminas had defeated Jahil.

He states that the difference between Luminas and Benimaru is not big, and then Luminas responds how she made Jahil back off and she says:

"Don't you dare! This is a sacred place for those who believe in I (Ruminas voice), whereas other places are not so sacred. With faith that springs from the infinite, it is easy to repel the power of Jahil.

His words were confident, and in fact, the results proved to be true.

But so easy?


" - Applying the Secret of Faith and Grace, it should be theoretically possible. So.. ."


Luminas has worked on a theory until it becomes a reality.

 

[Peak]

im actually quite confused in this volum isnt Zalario EP is 10M or higher at vol 18... its stated that leon EP is not far behind zalario hmmm. so it means Leon EP is maybe like 9M hmm..

I think it was said that Zalario has 20M EP, but I don't remember correctly either

 

[Peak]

Wait, is it safe to Assume Milim > Everybody else except Rimuru? Or Feldway's still superior?

Feldway is superior, and I don't think it's safe to say that Milim is superior to everyone, Velzard was said to be fighting evenly against an enraged Milim and Rimuru took Guy to the battlefield because he would be the only one capable of going easy on Milim (so as not to kill her), so I'd say it's very debatable, but at least she's top 5, Rimuru says she's more powerful than Michael

 

[rainheart]

I think it was said that Zalario has 20M EP, but I don't remember correctly either

if so then Leon ep is about 19M i never think leon has such that much EP tho..i thought hes EP would only be around 4M i underestimate leon so much..

 

[Peak]

Well anyway, for Rimuru to get HGR it was necessary to take an attack like Hinata's, survive and regenerate, I think that as long as it's not tuned by him or he can't regenerate for some reason, I doubt HGR will come out

I really don't know if that's how it works, but in my perception, a being having type 2 information manipulation and MGR denial can handle the situation, to get HGR, I believe it is necessary to regenerate even if it is completely erased, including the fundamental aspect, and if looking at Rimuru's HGR CRT, some wondered how Rimuru could regenerate using infinite regeneration if Hinata could erase skills, the answer to that was kind of obvious to me, the skills are stored in the heart (core), even if Hinata can erase the soul, mind and body, the regeneration will work because the core will be intact, so I don't see HGR applying here

 

[Peak]

By the way please remind me, Rimuru or any character as strong or stronger was mentioned having a core? I don't remember myself, and I find it strange that he didn't have the worry of having his core destroyed by Hinata's attack, or being destroyed by any other character.

all spirit life forms have a core as they think and store data with it, so Rimuru has mental attack nullification

 

[Peak]

by the way should we make a rematch between xeno goku and eos rimuru

nah let's wait for bit. We should increase our Arsenal first

actually I don't see what TD 1 would change against Xeno Goku, since he wins by sealing the Keysword so light, darkness, life and death wouldn't change anything, right? Also, a limited abstract existence CRT should be made for Rimuru WN as well

 

[Peak]

Is the really enough ?
The powercaling is really messed up now .
1.Luminous>Jahil> Benimaru I support this one since Zalario also said that Jahil couldn't have taken Luminous alone .
2.There's no way Beni should be above Primordial trio .I don't get it but Rimuru overestimates Beni too much .
Careera defeated Zess who is comparable to Zalario and then Peliod with the help of kondou .Even Zelanus was afraid of her judgement .
Ultima legit fought Fenn a true dragon level guy .

So why is everyone still like Benimaru> Trio ?

I agree with your reasoning, Rimuru put Benimaru above them, but I believe he refers to Benimaru's leadership and tactics, but in 1v1 combat I don't see Benimaru beating the primordial trio, and as stated by Rimuru, he doesn't beat Jahil either and is slightly below Luminas

 

[Peak]

Did Hinata fought Granbell in newest volume?

no he is referring to volume 11 probably

 

[Peak]

what do you think luminas EP... i estimated her EP prolly around 3M-4M...and also leon should be arround 9M its sayd that hes EP is not far from zalario which if i remember zala EP is 10M or 20M i forgot.... but i hope theres a rematched for jahil vs rimuru..and anyways.. strengh Jahil>Beni>Luminas experience Luminas>Jahil>beni Haxx Beni>Luminas>Jahil..
since luminas has more experience yeah she would wins...do u agree.

I believe that Luminas' EP should be close to Benimaru's, or a little higher, or a little lower

 

[Peak]

Anyway, what intrigued me the most was the speed factor at this volume, the maximum speed we had was a few hundred times the speed of sound, and to make matters worse, there seems to be some anti-feats regarding infinite/immeasurable speed in this volume, maybe the translation is bad or it wasn't really explained properly, but at the very least, it seems immeasurable speed may be limited to the suspended world

 

[091Franky]

I have only finished like half of the vol 20 but fuse obsession with speed of sound is ridiculous

 

[Peak]

I have only finished like half of the vol 20 but fuse obsession with speed of sound is ridiculous

i was wondering what speed the godtiers are at, the statement is always "tremendous speed" or "instant speed" something like that, but it's never said exactly what speed it falls under

 

[LoganKroos]

i was wondering what speed the godtiers are at, the statement is always "tremendous speed" or "instant speed" something like that, but it's never said exactly what speed it falls under

the suspended world is immeasurable and the hax and some spells are instantaneous, but other than that only speed of light and sound for the rest

 

[LoganKroos]

fuse likes to put an absurd difference between one character category and another, so don't expect any character to move above the speed of light outside the suspended world

 

[Peak]

the suspended world is immeasurable and the hax and some spells are instantaneous, but other than that only speed of light and sound for the rest

Not even light speed actually, and I didn't see immeasurable speed in any case in this volume, Rimuru was wondering if he could help Luminas in time against Dagruel, and as Community had said in some discussions back, speed seems to be limited to perceiving bits of information, from what you've hinted, you need to locate the information particle and transfer yourself there, something like that

 

[Yohata]

What do you think guys

 

[JV_DLS]

Not even light speed actually, and I didn't see immeasurable speed in any case in this volume, Rimuru was wondering if he could help Luminas in time against Dagruel, and as Community had said in some discussions back, speed seems to be limited to perceiving bits of information, from what you've hinted, you need to locate the information particle and transfer yourself there, something like that

how sad, vol 20 that I expected to confirm the immeasurable speed and explain more about digital beings in addition to elevating the feats of slime, is being a disappointment in this regard

 

[Peak]

What do you think guys

I don't understand where you're going by bringing topics involving MGK here

 

[Peak]

how sad, vol 20 that I expected to confirm the immeasurable speed and explain more about digital beings in addition to elevating the feats of slime, is being a disappointment in this regard

Yes, I liked the story and the fights, as well as the final event involving Rimuru, but things involving the suspended world and the speed were a disappointment to me, honestly i carried a certain certainty about immeasurable speed, but even limited immeasurable speed can be difficult

In fact I believe that anyone who reads tensura just thinking powerscalling will definitely be disappointed with the volume, using powerscalling is cool, but honestly I was more afraid of the story getting bad, but it wasn't the case, I loved reading it

 

[JV_DLS]

Yes, I liked the story and the fights, as well as the final event involving Rimuru, but things involving the suspended world and the speed were a disappointment to me, honestly i carried a certain certainty about immeasurable speed, but even limited immeasurable speed can be difficult

In fact I believe that anyone who reads tensura just thinking powerscalling will definitely be disappointed with the volume, using powerscalling is cool, but honestly I was more afraid of the story getting bad, but it wasn't the case, I loved reading it

have you finished reading? have nothing to confirm or raise any skill in Slime?