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the mask has it
Type 1 probably is easier, as everyone is bound by causality except for a certain person
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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20
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Oh yeah for JP
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I suppose who's ever cared about Rimuru's fights? Besides if there's anyone he could fight and have difficulty with its probably Milim
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No that's from the Veldora Journals, not LN.
Peak
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oh yes i forgot about the mask, Has Fuse ever explained in any of the novels who was the creator of the mask?
Peak
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Well yes, it's hard for a fight involving Rimuru to be difficult because before long he's simply put his reactive evolution to work and gg
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oh sorry for the mistake then
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With amount of skills he has I mean..
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Its paradox, no one created it. Its existence is entirely paradoxical. Rimuru technically created it but was also given it before he created it.
Peak
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I see, is it possible that now that the paradox has been broken, Chloe's mask is still indestructible? The mask could only be destroyed in Rimuru's hands, but we've never seen it break in Chloe's possession
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The paradox broken the moment it reached its intended destination. So no its not indescribable. As for whether it was indestructible during Chloe's time, I'd say no. Since it hadn't needed to be. Again it's paradoxical.
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Okay, some people have said they don't believe Vol 17's feats are universal (3-A) for two reasons.
1- Tensure power levels had never gone this far before
2- They didn't believe that a universe could be destroyed with just the aura of a real dragon Well I read that part of Vol again and saw some things like for example
1° none character in Slime had gone to so many different universes and not even found "weak worlds" before.
2° This one could be very wrong, but when I read Vol 17 I hadn't written that it was the aura of a real dragon but all its power without specifying what it is, and if that's the case it could very well be an attack or something like that, which already makes the feat be planetary meaningless since technically the real dragons are star level
3° About the weak worlds, not much information was given about but what many think is that they are weak because they don't have mana, well rereading this part again Velgrynd doesn't say that the lack of mana is the reason they are weak, but that there are worlds without mana and there are weak worlds, there is even a small space of time between one speech and another where she mentions other worlds, so when in my view this can be both qualitative and dimensional
4- If the question is dimensional, it would even make sense, because Velgrynd herself may have found a "5D world" in her travels, so she referring to the world as weak, which means actually that he is inferior in question of dimensions to the main world of tension, thus establishing a dimensional hierarchy
I took the excerpt to be able to check it out, despite being in MLT I think it can be used as a basis for at least having an opinion.
Remembering I'm not saying anything I just want to know your opinion
" They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations.
From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized.
There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict. "
1- Tensure power levels had never gone this far before
2- They didn't believe that a universe could be destroyed with just the aura of a real dragon Well I read that part of Vol again and saw some things like for example
1° none character in Slime had gone to so many different universes and not even found "weak worlds" before.
2° This one could be very wrong, but when I read Vol 17 I hadn't written that it was the aura of a real dragon but all its power without specifying what it is, and if that's the case it could very well be an attack or something like that, which already makes the feat be planetary meaningless since technically the real dragons are star level
3° About the weak worlds, not much information was given about but what many think is that they are weak because they don't have mana, well rereading this part again Velgrynd doesn't say that the lack of mana is the reason they are weak, but that there are worlds without mana and there are weak worlds, there is even a small space of time between one speech and another where she mentions other worlds, so when in my view this can be both qualitative and dimensional
4- If the question is dimensional, it would even make sense, because Velgrynd herself may have found a "5D world" in her travels, so she referring to the world as weak, which means actually that he is inferior in question of dimensions to the main world of tension, thus establishing a dimensional hierarchy
I took the excerpt to be able to check it out, despite being in MLT I think it can be used as a basis for at least having an opinion.
Remembering I'm not saying anything I just want to know your opinion
" They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations.
From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized.
There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict. "
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Pulcinella is relative to Awakened Demon Lord in power and his strongest attack can only incinerate continent in a weak world. True Dragons is far above that, but not that far that they could reach 3A
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This would imply that True Dragon need their full power to destroy a mere 2D world, High Hypoverse level at most
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I have been wondering what Espirit looked like since Rimuru described her. More than anything its good to see Mitz Vah healthy.
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I was thinking more of a standard 3D thing, and then the main world and the world beyond time would be something superior to that
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I understand your thinking, but if this translation I mentioned is really right, what's the point of citing a planetary feat using all the power of a true dragon? apart from that Velgrynd since the beginning of Vol used the word "world" to refer to the universes he passed through, I don't know why she would start using it to refer to planets like this out of nowhere
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Whoah that's a great design. She somewhat looks identical to Carrera too
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1.I still think True dragons can destroy universes
The Stellar Feat cap comes from Veldora's statement "Ivarage can destroy stars if he's not careful"
Which means he will end up destroying Stars merely by not controlling his powers .If he releases his full energy the result will be different .
Now the counter argument : But the difference between H4-C and 3-A is too big .Yes it is however it's unknown actually how many stars Ivarage might end up destroying if he fails to control his power .
2.Carrera is way weaker than True Dragons .However even she is capable of performing planetary feat just with Gravity collapse .It's not even her full power .So saying that True dragons are Planetary even with their full power is nonsense .
Rimuru with Gullotony was stated to be able to consume stars .Rimuru at that time would get one shotted by grynd .
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World varies in meaning depends on the context, it could have different meaning than the "world" said before
Besides, its would be more consistent if they really planetary, the result of Guy and Velzard fight only shifted the earth axis, and both of them stand at the peak of the verse.
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Gravity Collapse is stated to able to destroy star at the MTL, we only realised that it was a mistranslation when the Official/Fan TL comes out, this could likely be the same
It is her full power, and what do you mean with just Gravity Collapse? its her most destructive and strongest move
Eventually, he will evolve to the point that he is a threat to the planet and can eat star, but it doesnt happen immediately
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you're just forgetting that the difference between the cardinal world and the weak worlds are huge, right? In addition, barriers were made to prevent the damage from spreading too far
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and what is this supposed to prove
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yes they are both at the height of power in the universe but that doesn't mean they were both fighting with full power, and that fighting with full power means using destructive power, after all because they would use a power that in theory could destroy the stars or even even the planet, both of them only have to lose with it mainly Guy, after all if that world is destroyed Veldanava's request to him would be in vain
The key to this achievement here, not the power of the true dragons, but the "weak worlds", let's assume that the main Universe is superior in terms of dimensions and that these universes cited as weak are standard models of 3D universes, perhaps the difference between them is so great that it is possible to destroy them with all the power of a true dragon.
In fact, it may not even be a question of dimensionality, but a more qualitative question of the structure of the universe
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*multiple
Its stated that True Dragon can destroy multiple world while Carerra can only destroy one. the problem is that Carerra is immensely beyond TDL level, even Pre TDL Carerra is already as strong as an awakened demon lord, so imagine how strong she is when she evolved to be TDL. Not to mention that she have the most strongest magic that only she can handle amongst all primordial who have evolved to be TDL. Diablo who is arguably relative if not stronger than Carerra even have a chance at beating Velgyrnd.
Headcanon
I'm not even gonna start with how 3D universe doesnt exist, but weak world and Cardinal world structure isnt that much different. Awakened Demon Lord consistently have continent feat in main world, while their full power can only wipe one continent in a weak world. in fact i started to believe that "destroying weak world" here refer to the fact that since magic are scarce, its very easy to obliterate every single living being because they are considerably weaker by a lot.
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But that doesn't mean she needs to use all of her energy to perform this feat
After seeing Carrera's stats and comparing her to him Rimuru stated that Power becomes difficult to handle once someone reaches star busting level .So indirectly this implies that Carrera is Star level that's what I meant with "Just Gravity Collapse " which is only planetary .
It won't make sense if Carrera is 4-C and Velgrynd only 5-B likely higher ....
No matter how strong Carrera is in terms of Raw power she isn't comparable to True Dragons .Diablo has a chance of Defeating Velgrynd only via Sheer Skill his Raw power isn't even close
The situation is just like WN where They were 6-A for ages then only recently changed to 3-A .
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Neither Guy nor Velzard was trying to destroy the planet .They were attacking each other .Plus Misery an Rain were also using barriers and Guy was trying his best not to destroy the earth
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I don't know where you get this, Carerra's Final Collapse Annihilation Wave is her strongest magic, and said to be able to destroy planet if left uncontrolled, implying that planetary destruction is the cap, even it was stated that by using this Carerra can match Velgyrnd
send scan, also any star level feat is usually a mistranslation like what i said before, Carrera's Gravity Collapse is one of the few example.
She isnt 4C in the first place
this scan say otherwise
True Dragons were never 6A, they were previously High 4C until i decided to upgrade them to 3A with multiple statements and feats, however 3A Light Novel is only stated once, and would contradict a lot of thing.
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Do you mean this?
—What?!
I couldn’t help but be dumbfounded.
In other words, it was only when I released ‘True Dragon Release’ that I would be able to display my maximum power.
Hmm?
But you know, since the output is the same, it might be the same even if the energy increases.
Even Velgrynd might have shifted to increasing the number because the upper limit had been reached.
Of course, there was no limit to an increase in power, but it was meaningless if it didn’t hit the target. Once you reach the level of shattering stars, it becomes more difficult to control the power.
I was deeply convinced that there was no point in focusing on maximum power.
I couldn’t help but be dumbfounded.
In other words, it was only when I released ‘True Dragon Release’ that I would be able to display my maximum power.
Hmm?
But you know, since the output is the same, it might be the same even if the energy increases.
Even Velgrynd might have shifted to increasing the number because the upper limit had been reached.
Of course, there was no limit to an increase in power, but it was meaningless if it didn’t hit the target. Once you reach the level of shattering stars, it becomes more difficult to control the power.
I was deeply convinced that there was no point in focusing on maximum power.
He wasnt talking about Carerra, he was talking about himself
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Never stated multiple, It was stated weak worlds that could be blown away which mostly imply that there are many worlds that could get destroyed and it does not imply that at the same time
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Yes
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Okay Those scans and arguments are convincing enough combined with the fact that Fuse said he doesn't plan to make LN Rimuru as strong as WN and also the fact that most of the feats and statements right now are planetary or stellar
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I checked fuse syosetu and I didn't find fuse post about making rimuru not strong as wn it's mostly fake also current ln rimuru has good hax that makes him close to wn rimuru and ln is still ongoing it's too early to say that ln rimuru is nerfed
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he doesn't intend to make Rimuru LN narratively so much stronger as he was in WN, not that he won't be stronger than the WN version, that's how I interpreted it
In other words, he seems to have meant that he will make things more balanced while Veldanava will play the role of being the most powerful in verse
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