I don't see how they make more sense, to be honest. I do agree that everything they're saying points to the Devil Gene providing a boost in power, yes. However, they're arguing it's specifically a 10x multiplier off of a statement that's only referring to the strengthening of cellular compounds to 10x the strength of those of a normal human. This isn't quite the same as a statement of a 10x multiplier to Attack Potency, let alone Speed, from a previous form - despite the fact that the multiplier is currently being applied to both. And as our Multipliers page states, we need to have stated multipliers for these statistics, rather than reasoning them from something elseOkay. I think that you seem to make better logical sense in that case, BlackDarkness679, but you still seem to have an ongoing problem with your temper, so you need to work on that. Maybe you can listen to somatic relaxation music via Spotify or somesuch to help you out?
Same arguments with no basis, also thanks for proving you dont accept the very staff you called simply cuz he disagrees with you
Ah yes the 1st one where you falsely accused me only and not the OP for numerous instances of lying and going off by vibe scaling instead of concrete, with you coming there past halfway only
Hmm. That seems a bit vague, given that a regular human would be far weaker.
I will just quote my reply from a few moments earlier, Clover beats around the bush on purpose on a matter already explained several times, the series debunks anything he claims
I'm not obligated to agree with the staff I call in. I just called him because he's the only staff member that's a supporter for Tekken
Well yeah, they're not really relevant to this argument. Like... Again, yes, this all absolutely proves that the Devil Gene makes you stronger and we see that in how it affects previously normal humans. But this isn't evidence for a 10x boost to both AP and speed from a previous form, as that's not what's being referred to her.
I won't comment on the report further after this because it's not relevant to this thread, but your behavior here (and refusal to accept your bans as legitimate) shows you haven't learned, yes. I'm not victimizing myself or anything, I'm just asking you to follow the site rules
Kindly refrain from the baseless accusations, please. A Tekken downgrade should not warrant all this
Humans in this series are superhuman, i wouldnt listen to Clover downplaying interpretation
Yeah. The thing is that BlackDarkness's examples all perfectly validate the Devil Gene providing such a boost to the cellular compounds of a normal human. The problem is that they're not relevant to the scene in question here, where there is a power boost, but not one with evidence of being 10x specificallyHmm. That seems a bit vague, given that a regular human would be far weaker.
Also, BlackDarkness679, please try to calm down. This is not such an extremely important issue.
It specifically mentions a "normal human," which is supported further by the very examples you gave.
You arent obligated? Then why should i be? Just cuz you got a role?
Mhm yeah sure....the statement is made during the scene and lore says cells boost your power too, under what assumption should a stated multiplier it gives not mean for physicals given all mentioned? You saying its irrelevant has no meaning
Calling you ignorant isnt hostility and neither any of your reports are, you are victimizing yourself in here thats what you do
A reason why i should i accept unfair punishments when one from you excluded the other party from this and other was from a salty fanboy whom deleted their comment as well to act like he didnt say anything
You tried to downgrade Devil Kazuya without even looking from who he got the rating in the first place, limiting it only from two characters that atm are lower, accusation is justified
And the characters in the roster are what? Ghosts? Especially Heihachi and Lars which are just regular humans, when Jin and Kazuya loses their power he claims both are just mere humans after, the x10 is literally including these in this, again you beat around the bush
"Weaker humans"
im just gonna quote from earlier
Ant the statement is made during a scene where Kazuya stomps on Jin badly using a transformation against his base form, other forms or boosts with the devil gene never made turned the scale in power to this degreeOtherwise we know that it would be a boost that likely warrants an "At least..." rating, but probably not much more.
You don't have to agree with me
If the subject matter of the multiplication isn't something direct, like a character's power, then I think it's important to call it into question. Strengthening cellular compounds to 10x those of a normal human is not the same as boosting one's power (much less speed) by 10x. So yes, I think it's irrelevant in this case
This is still only referring to cellular compounds, as opposed to directly being 10x stronger. And Heihachi and Lars, despite being human, have clearly superhuman feats as opposed to the actual normal humans in the Tekken verse (like random bystanders)
I do appreciate your efforts here, I just am not a fan of constantly being viewed as some biased, unreasonable downplayer just because I'm proposing a change that I believe to be accurateClover and BlackDarkness, stop bickering please, and just stick to the facts of this issue instead. Thank you.
I know it's not as direct as we would wish, but at the same time I believe it's worthy to be looked up and considered as a possible alternative. The delivery is weird and probably done to sound fancy, and I'd agree if the context was a biological exposition or another scene, but I'd say the fact the statement occurs while Kazuya has just unleashed the Gene to gain the upper hand is an indicator of a power boost.
Such characters' best feats are only 7-A, so I disagree with this considering how the multiplier isn't even directly an AP multiplier. And again, it's even worse when you realize it's being applied to speed too
its currently accepted as 7-A no?
They are currently 7-A
Doesnt mean its accurate, especially to have them scaling from the lowest end of the hierarchy for rating
And i dont care of the stats as of currently, the Mishimas are in no way tier 7s at max in their base, so your claim their best stuff is that high only is flat out wrong
As i said earlier, i have better things to do then argue back and forth with an unreasonable person whom isnt listening for hours, such tasks/work or other hobbies outside of this i wanna or have to do, if he ceases with these, then im not spending all day hereBlackDarkness, you still need to calm down and stop shooting yourself in the feet by getting so agitated.
We covered the Devil Kazuya scaling, that can simply be adjusted.
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Someone disagreeing with you =/= Favoring the other person. What incentive or motivation would a staff member have to agree with clover besides a genuine belief that he’s right. Just cus we’re staff and clover is too??? Lmfao. Idk if you think the staff are some Illuminati-esque group of evil-doer’s, but it’s not that deep. Nobody gives a shit about a colored tag lol. Staff contend with other staff members’s threads all the time.
If you say its above human scaling, that includes characters like Heihachi and Lars whom are equal to the base form of those with the power
You asking as if you wouldnt be able to figure out yourself, how about by the fact we are told only of a x10 in regards to the power in question that it provides to the characters with it, x50, x60 or x100 from their weakest point isnt stated or suggested so x10 was fair game given it is an existent claim
The gaps in power i talked of earlier is to show that x10 from the claim is legitimate, not that the one shot is auto x10
And imma ask you this, what you even remotely see from him any rightness? Your pal couldnt even search up better from where high 6-A came from and adds it up in downgrade unless someone had to spell out the origins which wasnt even hard to find, would have resulted in wrong and injustified approvement
Staff vs staff i couldnt care less, its whatever for the most part, staff vs user is another story, most of you will side one of colleagues without even batting an eye on a user say, especially when its many vs one basically, its so easy to gang up on a single individual for the most part and go on a agree train carrying cart
The profiles genuinely had bad justifications. Devil Kazuya scaling to Devil Jin was nowhere to be seen until Saman clarified. Sorry to say, but that isn't my fault
If you learned to read and not assume like you always do in general all the time, nowhere i suggested direct editing on his part, im talking of the individual whom changed their ratings way back and your pal you approved of that user trash changes currently on statistics
